We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[copper223]

Just soft an investigative role if you want to do that.

[Ozgin]

I find Oranje's effort to be pretty townie. I'm not convinced, mostly because of context, that Lihin is scum. I am curious about what possible town roles would have known about werewolves besides me for being immune, but I think we already have enough claims that probably weren't strictly necessary, so I'm not gonna poke that at the moment.

@Ozgin - If Lucian does as you ask and Pirate Ika flips scum, you will have basically painted a target on your back anyway. If the hydra team Ika flips town, you probably get lynched. This is a case where it seems like your reasons probably don't need to be obfuscated. Obviously you should consider my logical thought process for yourself, but I'm not sure how you can tell the dayvig to shoot a scum and

not

end up being a very quick NK target {Presuming your reasons are sound}. If you don't have a role related reason among your "perfectly good reasons", then you have even less reason to obfuscate and withhold your thoughts. Ugh ... that's just a bad play all around.

After the game, I'd appreciate some tips on trying to draw a NK attempt, because my attempts to do so just made me look scummy (admittedly to OM who didn't really make a good case ... but my early posting is STILL causing people to bring me up as a viable wagon) Just keep this request in mind for end of game. I'm not making it to try and earn points. I'm just not sure I'll remember what I was frustrated by my attempts to try something new this game weeks from now, so I'm saying it while I'm thinking it.

I have an absolutely sound reason for pointing out that Pirate Ika is scum.

Lucian, quick my boy, waste no time.

[copper223]

@Ozgin
Bearing in mind we don't know your exact role so we might be wrong I agree with Drixx about your Pirate aika suspicion.

[Narninian]

well...

unvote

VOTE: Pirate Ika

in case Lucian doesn't want to.

[Oranje Crush]

Shoot, if Pirate ika flips scum it makes me likelier town proving scum are driving my push and if ika flips town we lynch ozgin. Win win

[Pirate Ika]

Shut your mouths, Pirate Ika.

Lucian,

absolutely trust me when I say PI is scum.

BUT WE ARENT

SOMETHING GOT FUCKED UP WITH OUR ROLE LIKE SRSLY HOW CAN YOU FUCKING MISS THE CRUMBS

WE ARE A TOWN BLOCKER BUT WE ARE GIVEN A FUCKING FRUIT SHIT SUPPOSEDLY REGARDLESS OF OUR ACTION

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS

I AM NOT A HAPPY PERSON RIGHT NOW

[Oranje Crush]

Lies or not, still shoot.
Ozgin will die if he's lying.

[Pirate Ika]

he might not be lying

this game is fucked I think there is a redirector cos we sure as shit are town

[copper223]

Wgeurts what if Ozgin is genuinly mistaken about something? Your haste would have just cost us 2 townies, fuck dude if I hadn't played with you before and weren't confident I can read you I would be screaming you are scum.

[Narninian]

Pirate: Any reason you might show up as guilty? Roleblocker doesn't seem like it would also be miller.

[Ozgin]

he might not be lying

this game is fucked I think there is a redirector cos we sure as shit are town

You're a bad liar. Go to sleep, child.

Lucian, shoot Ika.

[Pirate Ika]

our block did not go through

nor did we get fruit

how do 2 blockers exist in a game

I fucking don't even

[Ozgin]

our block did not go through

nor did we get fruit

how do 2 blockers exist in a game

I fucking don't even

They don't exist, you're just scum.

[copper223]

What is the point of not telling us why they are scum Ozgin?

[Narninian]

I could see reasons

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

I really want to hear how you went from begging for my lynch to Townreading me & pushing my primary opponent/scumread for most of the game.

Bulb already answered the first half of this, since that was mainly his read. As far as the latter half, neither Bulb nor myself actually pushed for copper that much--I think you mean that Copper has pushed on US for most/all of the game. I only started really scumreading copper at post 2018 where he completely misreps what you said about him.

I'd
also appreciate some thoughts or a general overview behind the rest of your pushes.

Well, for Drixx, both Bulb and I thought he was scummy/not town early on (Bulb because he thought the BP claim was scummy as fuck along with the bad him/you/Lucian interactions, me because I didn't like the way he responded to Om). I'm forgetting the rough area that I started thinking of him as town, but I know he's been a solid townread since he made those matyr-ish posts while he was the vig target. Bulb's still iffy on him, so the read for the hydra as a whole is null.

Lucian's almost the direct mirror of Drixx. There was suspicion on him due to those interactions I mentioned earlier, and just spotty posts in general, but when he claimed Bulb took a turn for town while I pretty much immediately disliked it (and still do). I've held off on actively pushing his lynch because it is a confirmable role, but I HAVE been demanding the shot be used sooner than later.

Vonflare's been my read for awhile. I have never really liked any of the posts he's made this game. They're all empty of anything worthwhile and almost sound intentionally oblivious so he can get someone else to post things for him and coast the game away. He's my preferred vigshot/deadline lynch.

Copper's the more recent one. Neither Bulb nor I really had a read either way, IIRC, for most of Day 1, so he was more of an "eh, town for now" kind of read. However, as I mentioned above, when he made post 2018 I started scumreading him for the pure misreps he was making, and his responses afterwards furthered that read. Not to mention the sheer desperation he had to try and deadline lynch Drixx. It's still pending the rest of the day, but it's safe to say that copper will be having our vote on him for awhile.


Those're the major ones that I recall. Was there anything else you wanted in this avenue?

I'd appreciate you shooting the Bulbasaur Commonwealth in the face so I don't have to waste my time making anither case about why they are scum.

Because you know you can't swing our lynch, is that it?

I don't know wtf is up with you this game, you think LUCIAN, the player that did not claim doctor/BP when he was tokd to, fake claims vengilante?

I've held that position (he fakeclaimed) ever since he actually said he was a vengilante. Unless your problem is with Drixx saying it and not the statement itself.

With those 2 factors, I was trying to maximize my chance to straight up prevent the kill if my ability triggered. When using it again I'll have a lot more information to work with (2 more flips at least) so I'll probably use it more traditionally

Okay, I guess I get why you did what you did, but I'm still confused as to why you didn't direct it to Dan or Drixx instead. Were you worried about if you'd give them the wrong kill type or something?

Also how the fuck am I a "good lynch".
I was "fucking town" yesterday before twighlight. I claimed, didn't die and only one kill happened. How fucking far-streched is your mind to think that I'm still SK and not a commuter. ESPECIALLY when one night kill was blocked possibly be me.

There is kinda the fact that we (the game as whole) don't REALLY trust your commuter claim all that much? Granted, I'm not entirely sure that you're the SK, but on my readthrough of that part your claim looked rather sketchy.

It's as likely as narn redirecting it, I'm not saying it was me however one night kill didn't happen and there's achancebit was my commute. Fact.

a

chance

. Not proven. I'm not putting any stock into whatever you claimed or what you think happened until we know for sure. same for Narninian, although I'm more likely to believe he redirected a kill than you blocking one.

can we just lynch orange thing already

Sure, but they have a point on Lihin.

Ozgin's suggestion is dumb. Still think Lucian should shoot Vonflare.

Shut your mouths, Pirate Ika.

Lucian,

absolutely trust me when I say PI is scum.

Why? Why should Lucian believe you, and why should everyone else believe that your way is the best way?

I'll keep quiet on this so Bulb doesn't get angry at me, but I don't like OC's attempts to grab at the plausible towncred for Pika actually being scum.

-Ivysaur.

[Pirate Ika]

he might not be lying

this game is fucked I think there is a redirector cos we sure as shit are town

You're a bad liar. Go to sleep, child.

Lucian, shoot Ika.

no

[Ozgin]

What is the point of not telling us why they are scum Ozgin?

Me telling you would defeat the reason why I'm not telling you. That's literally how "not telling" something works.

Trust

me, Lucian. Shoot. Ika.

[copper223]

Do you realize that if you are wrong and you are both town you are likely losing the game here? I hope you are right or suicidal scum is all I can say.

[Narninian]

cat's probably out of the bag -- but there are solid reasons he wouldn't want to say.
My opinion is you should shoot him.

[Pirate Ika]

our block did not go through

nor did we get fruit

how do 2 blockers exist in a game

I fucking don't even

They don't exist, you're just scum.

no we are not

I can pretty much guarantee we are town.

fucking a, I think you are town for this shit but severely misguided.

[Narninian]

our block did not go through

nor did we get fruit

how do 2 blockers exist in a game

I fucking don't even

They don't exist, you're just scum.

no we are not

I can pretty much guarantee we are town.

fucking a, I think you are town for this shit but severely misguided.

You think he's town but you're only going to give 'nuh uh...' as your defense?
riiiightt...

[copper223]

I don't know as much about Ika, but if Mollie is posting as well this is not the reaction I'd expect from scum Mollie.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Lies or not, still shoot.
Ozgin will die if he's lying.

Fuck no.

What is the point of not telling us why they are scum Ozgin?

This.

What is the point of not telling us why they are scum Ozgin?

Me telling you would defeat the reason why I'm not telling you. That's literally how "not telling" something works.

Trust

me, Lucian. Shoot. Ika.

Don't pull this circular-ish argument shit and spit it out. What makes you think you'll live to tomorrow whether you're right or wrong?

(no, Bulb, I'm not gonna shut up!)

-Ivy

P-EDIT: How about you both shut the fuck up until Lucian pops in again (more Ozgin than Pika)? There are other things to talk/worry about for right now. You can start with the whole "trust me" spiel again when Lucian shows up again.

P-EDIT2: That's not scummy, Narn. Why do you think so?

[Narninian]

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P-EDIT2: That's not scummy, Narn. Why do you think so?[/quote]

Somebody is calling for his immediate death (based on SOME sort of secret information), and he still thinks they are town with no explanation.
This doesn't make any sense to me.