We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Cerberus v666]

Did Lucian ever tell us if his shot ends the day?

No he did not. Good question.

[Titus]

Did Lucian ever tell us if his shot ends the day?

No he did not. Good question.

Pointless as it just reaffirms our course for tomorrow if it does.

Yet, I have never seen a vig end the day.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Ok, starting with this on BBmolla:

Now, the whole argument that he's town because he claimed an unlikely scum role early game is worth nothing. It's called the fluffy kitten gambit (found it while sorting articles as wiki moderator, I've read a good deal of them now). Basically it's a gambit where someone claims a role that seems so unlikely for scum to claim at an unlikely time that people will hopefully see them as town due to the unlikelihood of scum actually claiming that. BB's a clever guy and a good mafia player, this isn't something I'd rule out. Maybe if this had come from a newbie or new player, I'd consider it town however BB's not that.
This makes his claim null, the ability claimed with it also isn't alignment indicative.

To some up his play: he's commenting on a lot but isn't pushing anything. It feels forced.

He's made comments on lucian being terrible, others either dumb or scum, however there's a lack of BBmolla pushing these people or explaining these thoughts of his. He may comment and rant however there's no desire to find scum in his posts.


His reads are also pretty general, following others but in a manner which doesn't look like opportunism. Take a look at his vote on vonflare in his ISO early game, the vote on vyse is also well timed and the unvote back to lucian comes after vyse wagon seems to be loosing traction.
The jackal votes are also meh.

But I forgot my main scum read I forgot while away. Lhin, this will have a big case.
VOTE: Lihin

Pr-edit: Titus, I'm not allowed to commute an use whatever I get later at the same time. Not gain an ability if I don't commute.

Why the fuck make a case on me and then pussy out and not vote me after it

Come at me

Hint: They're scum.

Shoot Pirates (sadly), lynch Oranje...good day.

I like this plan

I don't. I'd like to save the shot for the same day that we plan on activating Molla's ability. That way we can get 3 effective lynches. Although, I feel as if I may get overruled here.

I'm actually not sure how to take this. That literally just destroyed all my setup spec.

So my new theory if this actually turns out to be a mafia team is that one of the setups was 2-2-9

I've considered that one of the setups may have been a twist on Jungle Republic, or they just used a solo Werewolf instead of a SK.

Do people want me to go away again today?

Yes, please.

Vote: LucianRoy

This is a bad vote.

Did Lucian ever tell us if his shot ends the day?

I don't know if he did, but he certainly implied that the day would continue.

Unvote

Vote Pirate Ika

-Bulbasaur

[Cerberus v666]

Bulbasaur: I think the logic behind voting for lucian if he doesn't shoot PI is sound, but you're right, it's unlikely to accomplish anything today, AND the vote is better spent lynching PI, which is something I'll move my vote to do when the time is appropriate.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

LUCIAN:

Does your shot, upon successfully activating, end the day immediately and send us to night, or will the day continue with one person down?

OZGIN:

Are you absolutely sure that if Ika was lynched instead of, say, dayvigged, you would not be BP at night? Technically, a lynch happens during the day, so.

BRANTZ:

I don't know how far along you are in catching up, but please try to get your catch-up done in time to remove yourself from the game. Preferably by the end of this week, if not sooner, IMO. Still being here by Monday morning without good reason (aka real life) should probly be treated as him lying about being multiple shot and probly lynched tomorrow since Ika's gonna go today.

Anyone trying to cast doubt on TPTG being a mason is being stupid. I know Pika was doing such and is likely par for their situation, but I'm fairly sure one other person was doing the same thing and should A.) feel ashamed for themselves for doing such and B.) discontinue such a line of action ASAP.

Pointless as it just reaffirms our course for tomorrow if it does.

Yet, I have never seen a vig end the day

Is there any reason Lucian shouldn't shoot today?

I'm starting to teeter between vonflare and OC now.

Also kinda want to do our 3-in-a-row thing where Lucian shoots, BB gets ran up to be 2nd most, lynch Ika, then lynah whomever based what info we get (while BRantz leaves before we lynch), but yeah, probly gonna get overruled on that one.

-Ivy

[Oranje Crush]

Mollie OF CAUSE NOTHING HAPPENED WHEN YOU TARGETED US, I FUDGE COMMUTED MEANING THAT EVERYTHING TARGETING ME SIMPLY DOESN'T HAPPEN.
I'm a commuter, that's fact.
How do any of you fail to see lihin's scum.

[Oranje Crush]

So no, I got no fruit.

[Ozgin]

I still think the objective best play is too shoot PI. If PI flips town, lynch Ozgin. Period. No hesitation. I don't want to but that is logically what my gut says to do.

Not if scum are immune from crosskills. I was immune in hu2 which told me Klingon was scum. There's zero problem in claiming cop if scum cannot kill each other.

That's fine, hell, I'd lynch myself in disgrace. But I'm not wrong.

OZGIN:

Are you absolutely sure that if Ika was lynched instead of, say, dayvigged, you would not be BP at night? Technically, a lynch happens during the day, so.

I'm not sure, but I want to be overly cautious. Besides, I think strategically shooting Ika instead of lynching Ika is all around better.

[Titus]

Mods: What do you consider bastard?

[Oranje Crush]

Onviously not unbalancedness.

[ChriVi]

Cerebrus, I agree that Lucian needs to shoot mollie but voting him isn't going to get him to do as such. If he isn't totally shit town he'll be able to do it himself.

[Cuttlefish]

Mods: What do you consider bastard?

Lazy answer: cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game.

If you want a more specific answer you need to ask a more specific question.

[Titus]

Blah shit. That means both Ozgin and ika could be town if tailor is not bastard.

We should have Ozgin investigate more

Both Pika and Ozgin seem legit to me.

Yet I can't vote. I am not so sure they are both town.

I think it is good I am not voting.

[Narninian]

so you think The tailor (if in game) got extremely lucky?

I think its the least likely thing and we should kill ika.

[Oranje Crush]

What does a tailor do?

[Titus]

so you think The tailor (if in game) got extremely lucky?

I think its the least likely thing and we should kill ika.

What does a tailor do?

A tailor makes a person look guilty when they are innocent and vice versa. It's a role ika and I are more familiat with from our sc2mafia time but it has made a resurgence here lately.

[Titus]

So let's look at Marquis's ISO. If he had a townread on ika, framing ika makes less sense.

Framing ika is almost always a decent play for scum because they could presume I would push it imo. Yet if the cop doesn't check ika, no amount of baggage will get him lynched.

[LucianRoy]

What does a tailor do?

I personally think it's an extremely epic role, but it's basically a role designed to screw cops and investigative roles.
Like the framer, the tailor can make a town member appear guilty under review, yet he can also use his ability on his scum buddies to make them appear innocent.

It's a really powerful role if the cop choices are obvious.

[LucianRoy]

Hey, does anyone else get strange vibes from Ozgin?
No?

Ok...

Well, I think he's kind of scummy.
Also, Drixx, stop fossing everyone. That's a given.

The use of my ability does not commence a night phase.

[Titus]

feeling om could be scum in the same way mollie could be scum

eh i'll think it over overnight

mollie i'm a waste of your time whether you're scum or not. for once, i'm the one with more control here and i'm using it

Vote Count 1.16

BBmolla (3)

- ChriVi, Ozgin, ActionDan

Drixx (2)

- Toon Fighter, Boonskiies

VysePresident (2)

- deathfisaro, copper223

Jackel98 (1)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth

ActionDan (1)

- PeregrineV

vonflare (1)

- BRantz

Toon Fighter (1)

- BBmolla

deathfisaro (1)

- Pirate Ika

Titus (0)

- Titus

Not Voting (13)

: Lihin, Cerberus v666, Three-Pronged Trouser God, VysePresident, Marquis, Om of the Nom, Oranje Crush, LucianRoy, Narninian, Jackel98, vonflare, Drixx, Magua

With 24 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34).

i think it's too overpowered to be scum

3-shot is easily confirmable too

also, only

(expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34)

left

drixx is town, molla idk but he's not the lynch (nor are we using that day 1), so vyse or jackel atm

VOTE: jackel

Yes framing ika is a decent play.

[Titus]

Derp the last one says Mollie not Molla.

[Titus]

Derp the last one says Mollie not Molla.

Derp...Molla not Mollie.

[Ozgin]

What does a tailor do?

I personally think it's an extremely epic role, but it's basically a role designed to screw cops and investigative roles.
Like the framer, the tailor can make a town member appear guilty under review, yet he can also use his ability on his scum buddies to make them appear innocent.

It's a really powerful role if the cop choices are obvious.

But nobody suspected me to investigate Ika, so I doubt that's the case. I doubt anyone would use a manipulative role on PIka because nobody really would have expected it.

Lucian, I investigated PIka, it came back mafia, please please please

kill it with fire

Hey, does anyone else get strange vibes from Ozgin?
No?

Ok...

[LucianRoy]

Won't even lie.
Didn't read.

[Titus]

If we suppose scumteam A wanted ika framed, why would they kill Marquis? That literally defeats the purpose of a frame. But if they killed someone else, namely BBMolla and the kill got redirected to Marquis that makes sense. A team with a framer/tailor has much less desire for a nightskip.

I don't see any other way ika's town.

So if ika's town, then Narnian is not Scumteam A.

TLDR, if there's a framer, Narnian is not on their team.