Seeing how you guys all need it, I'm going to explain my top three problems with lihin in detail. Ignoring the fact she's not scum hunting and is as fluffy as a cloud.
1.
The "Catch-Up"
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↑ Lihin wrote:Partway through reading, commenting on top 3 wagons now (von, toon, vyse):
Vonflare - His posts don't feel like they'd come from scum pov; his pushes (ice particularly) and other posts like his #71+#73 leave him extremely low-hanging fruit and my gut says that scum would not be recklessly making himself look so scummy.
Toon Fighter - Do agree that he looks fairly lurky and low-contribution. Also has yet to address arguments against himself, and wants to put off neighbor claims for some reason. Leaning scummy, would hop on his wagon given choice between these 3.
VysePresident - I like what he does have, especially #1068 and #1273-76. Feels town to me.
VOTE: Toon Fighter while I sort out my thoughts on everybody else.
She starts her catchup with this post, it reeks. So for some reason she decides to look at the top three wagon at that point in time, then proceeds to hop onto the best one by sheeping. Newb scum love saying I agree with this case, then join it with those words. It makes them look like they have actual reasons to join a wagon, whereas they really just want to get on a wagon to get a nice tasty lynch.
I also find the motivation bad, why look at the top three wagons and not just start catching up? I see two possibilities:
1. As town, she's in need of a temporary vote before she makes her own reads during a catch up.
2. As scum, she couldn't give a damn about what happened in the past. She wants to join a wagon with a good prospect of becoming a lynch.
Her following two post back up the second motivation, why? Look at them and I'll explain:
↑ Lihin wrote:Mostly caught up, still have pages 30-45 left.
UNVOTE: Toon Fighter
Drixx's claim is more believable to me considering ActionDan's claim. I'd rather he not be lynched/vigged today.
Some reason the quotes are swapped around when it comes to post time, please keep in mind the post above this came last.
↑ Lihin wrote:@ozgin: Toon Fighter literally posted less than half a day ago and gave no indication that he is unable to post. I do not see why this warrants prodding. Also, he's had opportunity to defend himself (his last post was after attacks came in on him).
These two post show that she's following the current situation, however we see no comments or real reads (besides drixx, who I'll get to later.) on watch she thinks from her catchup. She never does, I really believe she hasn't done it at all. At the max she skimmed.
She's got no interest in finding scum possible mistakes during the last pages, she's only focused on who's being accused now.
The unvote is also rather convenient, it happens without reason (the post before it she was still displaying scum read on toon) and the wagon had just started to meet resistance and break down. So Lihin suddenely doesn't think toon's scum anymore and unvotes, she doesn't even switch votes (if she had actually done a catch up I'd expect her to vote someone from something she found during it.) and it's obvious she hasn't found anyone else she finds scummy. Looks to me like she's setting up to go in any direction, hop onto any wagon.
First questions for lihin:
Why did you unvote on toon?
Give a list of your reads on everyone please.
Summed up: "Lihin's more interested in current wagons and suspects than forming her own reads. Scum have no need of doing this and it fits a newb-scum very well. Her claim of catching up also seems bogus."
2.
Ozgin
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Read these posts, especially the parts I made red:
↑ Lihin wrote: ↑ LucianRoy wrote:Molla claimed Miller with a night-skip ability if they have the second highest amount of votes.
Ice claimed: Neighbour day-cop, a day-cop that can only investigate neighbours.
Drixx claimed to be a faction specific bullet-proof.
I claimed Vengilante, a one-shot mix of a vengeful and a vigilante.
I think that was everyone...
In my opinion those claims seem fairly townish, except for the bulletproof claim.
Does Drixx know which faction he is immune to? (not looking for an actual claim of which; just if he knows)
Scum reading Drixx
↑ Lihin wrote:Mostly caught up, still have pages 30-45 left.
UNVOTE: Toon Fighter
Drixx's claim is more believable to me considering ActionDan's claim. I'd rather he not be lynched/vigged today.
Now he's town, however has reasons.
↑ Lihin wrote:Just gotten to death's "reaction test". I've looked and it reeks of scum that death doesn't really seem to know what or who he was actually looking for in his reaction test. You're supposed to at least have an idea of what sort of reaction you're looking for when you reaction test? Were just you hoping to draw up whatever most suited your needs on the spot?
Don't like Drixx's defenses which seem to be reactionary counterattacks to whoever is attacking him despite any of their prior actions (attacking a mason?), and his claim is somewhat weak. I think there are better options right now though.
TPTG and others voting Drixx: how do you feel about a death/jackel lynch over Drixx?
Scum read (conveniently with the public opinion) and contradiction 1: she just said drixx claim looked good, now it's suddenly weak.
↑ Lihin wrote:VOTE: PV
PV lynch is now feeling pretty unappealing to me. Utility lynch that leaves us with hardly any more information, especially if BBmolla nightskip is utilized. Only moving back if nothing else is going to be pushed through.
VOTE: Drixx
Agree with copper's reasoning.
This is probably the best feasible option remaining.
Lets look at this post by copper:
↑ copper223 wrote:VOTE: Drixx
At least this is a lynch with little downside and my gut read may well be wrong because Drixx willing to lynch a random guy is not sitting well with me, that is clearly suboptimal and you know it.
Yeah this looks really convincing.
↑ Lihin wrote:I've now got a strong gut feeling that Drixx is town because his name claim lines with my own role.
Jackel is a good target.
UNVOTE: Drixx
VOTE: Jackel
Oh, so now nobodies going for Drixx he's town again. Convenient.
She also lacks reads on everyone else. Also convenient. (Need I say, not scum hunting, sheeping everything and fluffing.)
3.
End Day 1 Play
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She joined every wagon without a care, town would do this but with caution however her post displayed that she just wanted to lynch someone but didn't care who. That's scum motivation and thinking, you can't deny it.
