We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[deathfisaro]

Oranje: if Lihin flips scum, you would very likely be seen as not the same faction as Lihin as you are initiating a hard push but how were you proven not in the same faction as Pika? If anyone, it was Ozgin.

As for Lihin and PV, I don't know why they are still in the game. Let's draw them out.
VOTE: Lihin

[ActionDan]

I can vote Lihin after a VC. I actually agree that it isn't wise to actually abuse BBm's ability today.

I am also amused that Titus seems to forget he's a miller

[wgeurts]

As I voted pika and supported her death. She also tried to get me to support her in a manner which wouldn't happen as partners. Why would mafia roleblock their own members?
They don't, I'm not pika's partner, nor am I anyone's because I'm town.

[wgeurts]

I need to change my skin to tell the difference between hydra and main.

[wgeurts]

Why haven't PerV and Lihin been prodded?

[Titus]

I made a fucking huge case twice and voted her, however I was

diverted by my partner

due to the cop claim and target.
Byw wgeurts is me.
What's wrong with the way I voted her?
You haven't looked at the cases have you?
Nor do you realise I started the lihin push.

Explain the bolded please.

[Titus]

I can vote Lihin after a VC. I actually agree that it isn't wise to actually abuse BBm's ability today.

I am also amused that Titus seems to forget he's a miller

That's a good reason not to check BB. :$

[Ozgin]

OZGIN: Are you absolutely sure that if Ika was lynched instead of, say, dayvigged, you would not be BP at night? Technically, a lynch happens during the day, so.

I forgot about this.
Ozgin, is it so?

Yes, Lucian, I am bulletproof tonight. I have to investigate scum tonight and get them killed tomorrow if I wanna stay alive tomorrow night, too.

I like the Lihin case, but I want to

hear

from them first.

[Titus]

@Ozgin, Lucian, A wierd idea just came to me. Three hatted masonry. Lol.

[Cuttlefish]

Vote Count 2.04

Lihin (7)

- Oranje Crush, LucianRoy, Cerberus v666, Drixx, Om of the Nom, Boonskiies, deathfisaro

Oranje Crush (3)

- Toon Fighter, BBmolla, Narninian

Bulbasaur Commonwealth (1)

- VysePresident

Cerberus v666 (1)

- Magua

Not Voting (11)

: ActionDan, ChriVi, PeregrineV, vonflare, Titus, Lihin, copper223, Ozgin, Three-Pronged Trouser God, Bulbasaur Commonwealth

With 23 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-02 10:05:14).

Lihin has been prodded.

Removal of players during the day phase will not reduce the lynch threshold.

[Drixx]

If the votecounts are accurate, Pika had 2 votes. We had 25 available votes in the pre-kill VC and now we have 23 available votes.

As there are only 22 players alive, and

Titus claims to still be a treestump

, one possible theory is that the killing member from each mafia gets a double vote. (This is a wild guess!). We know at least that one of the double voters was mafia.

I think Titus needs to self vote to prove that she hasn't de-stumped and lied about it. She did say that she would have a double vote upon doing so right? In fact, we know all current voters only have a single vote, so that list of 11 people probably all need to self-vote if we want to see who has the double vote and force an explanation.

I personally would like to know, but I can't rule out that it might be a town thing {I think I've seen a role called Mayor that gets two votes, and a Politician that can make someone's vote count twice}, even though Pika had two votes and thus there's some reason to speculate it's anti-town in nature. If anyone has some thoughts on why it would be bad to force the holder of a double vote to out himself, speak up. At the very least, people should be aware that L-2 is the new L-1. Scary bit is that prior to Pika getting shot, we could have seen a lynch from what we thought was L-2 and never had a chance to realize who had the extra votes. {Or a hammer from L-4, but that would have outed both double votes}.

[Drixx]

EBWOP: I derped. BRantz removed himself from the game, so Pika didn't apparently have two votes. We do still have an extra vote somewhere though.

I'll just give these to myself, then. I deserve 'em:

[Lihin]

1. Using catch up to join main wagon and tries to disguise it as legit.
2. Intentionally looking into current main wagons, not trying to build personal scum reads.
3. Scum reads all public scum reads.
4. Joins every wagon near deadline with horrific reasoning, please ISO her and cry.
5. Oh, she has soooo many contradictions: just read he thoughts on drixx's role.

1,2,3 - focused main wagons at beginning basically because most of the discussion was centered on them. i suppose i could have tried to find some other player to pressure so i could make myself look special, but honestly i suck at reading people d1 and felt sheeping was preferable to wasting time pulling in another direction.
4 - the whole wagon hopping thing was wanting to get an actual lynch off plus being pretty uncertain. also, you're claiming i was opportunistically jumping ship to more likely lynches, which is pretty ridiulous because there was little movement in the direction of the wagons i jumped onto until after i jumped.
5 - did not like the ability claimed, but the flavor claimed after he was ran up seemed genuine and i thought i saw some relation with my flavor that wasn't there, since it seems to be referring to werewolves rather than what i thought it was referring to. (some sort of underground/mining related scum faction, which in retrospect was a pretty idiotic guess)


going to claim now, i kind of wanted that wagon on me because my role is ridiculously confirmable and i wanted to see if scum would try going after an easy looking mislynch. i am a town double day foreman. i can select a player and cut their prod/replace deadlines in half (reduced from 72/24 to 36/12) for the rest of the day phase effective immediately. if they get prodded any time during a day i select them, they gain hated modifier for said day. confirmation is coming in the form of the commonwealth being prodded.

[Cuttlefish]

Bulbasaur Commonwealth has been prodded.

[deathfisaro]

@Lihin
Claiming without a role name when the mod only gives out the role name with a flip.
Also Your power can be confirmed but the power is so neutral confirming power doesn't confirm alignment.
You'll need to convince everyone why as town you played like how you played so far.
And how did disappearing and showing up at a nice opportune moment to claim a very neutral power and proving it to hopefully destroy your wagon lead to town victory?

[deathfisaro]

Oh Double Day Foreman is a title? I missed it being all in lower caps. Anyway, my other points unaffected.

[God of Power Outlets]

^^ 10/10 would read again

[copper223]

@Lihin
Great, who's scum on the wagon do you think? I am going to re-read the pirate ika interactions after I finish being busy with other deadlines.

@All
BBmolla says there is a Volcano mafia, we know there is a Berlin undeground mafia, AD claims there are 2 scum factions and Drixx claimed protection against a werewolf faction, there is 1 NK less then there should be if like someone postulated we had a 5-2-2 split in one of the minis, so either someone got a save, one of the scum factions derped or those claims don't fit.

[copper223]

@fisaro
Did you read what he said about confusing the silver reference with mining? I buy it.

@Commonwealth
Are you hated?

[Drixx]

Unless the Berlin Underground Mafia is made up of werewolves. It's not uncommon for Werewolves to be shown as having a mafia type hierarchy, nor is it uncommon to see them living underground in a major city (Underworld, anyone?). We've seen two kill flavors:

Incinerate: Presumably Volcano
Eviscerate: Presumably Werewolf (Possibly Berlin?)

@Lihin - What does the "hated" modifier do? Why did you pick the commonwealth to tag with it? Do you have anything of substance to give us? I mean you proved your claim is at least partially accurate but it certainly isn't alignment indicative (if hated is what I think, your role makes someone much easier to lynch), and your play thus far leaves a lot to be desired.

[Drixx]

Coper, if you would be willing to vote yourself until the next votecount, that would seriously ease my paranoia considering you. {If I'm being completely honest and not worrying about how bad it makes me look, I'm paranoid because you recently played me like a fiddle.}

[Lihin]

@Lihin
Claiming without a role name when the mod only gives out the role name with a flip.
Also Your power can be confirmed but the power is so neutral confirming power doesn't confirm alignment.
You'll need to convince everyone why as town you played like how you played so far.
And how did disappearing and showing up at a nice opportune moment to claim a very neutral power and proving it to hopefully destroy your wagon lead to town victory?

oh man the ability to force players to post more and possibly give them a conditional hated modifier, what an incredibly reasonable scum role
i've simply been gone, came back and saw the wagon on me, it simply seemed a good time to claim

[copper223]

VOTE: Copper

[Lihin]

@Lihin
Great, who's scum on the wagon do you think? I am going to re-read the pirate ika interactions after I finish being busy with other deadlines.

rereading in depth now, basically was skimming on first pass

@Commonwealth
Are you hated?

the hated part does not show to affected players, only the reduced deadlines.

[Lihin]

@Lihin - What does the "hated" modifier do? Why did you pick the commonwealth to tag with it?

the hated modifier makes players have 1 less vote required to lynch if they are prodded during the same day i target them. i picked commonwealth because they hadn't posted in 37 hours (immediate confirmation) and they are a three-headed hydra so it's unlikely they'll miss the 12 hour deadline and get forcereplaced.