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[God of Power Outlets]

am i the only one that thinks both scumteams possibly targeting the neighbor cop means that the neighborhood is comprised of 2 scum from opposite teams?

-kuribo

[Cerberus v666]

From what I understand how bussing works, I figure that bussing is something you do to in thread to maybe start a wagon, and see where it goes for purposes of distancing. I don't think it makes much sense to outright claim cop and instakill a scum partner.

that's because you've never known the joy of powerfucking those that trusted you into the ground and riding to victory atop a sled made of your scumbuddies' corpses


alternatively, you've never known the joy of screaming for days on end at your own scumbuddy, then faking a guilty on someone knowing that it'll get you lynched... only to watch your buddy coast for five days on "there's no way he's scum with them, they argued too much" in order to win it all (lol graveyard shift amirite)

i don't think you're bussing, though. you're too innocent, like a little deer. i believe you got a guilty N1 and weren't sure how to keep it in your pants and push that wagon subtly, so you just went fuck it and decided to trade your life for Pirate Ika's

and given how hard mollie can be to lynch, I can't say I wouldn't have done the same thing.

in a day 2 cop guilty, if you're scum in multiball, you're dead tonight. THe other team would shoot you. On Night 2? Suicidal. Why bus a buddy (mollie) for town cred if it's multiball and you've just convinced the other scumteam that you're a cop? If you're opposite scumteam to mollie, you've just outted yourself as a powerful scum power role and they'll shoot you. You're town, not just for the claim but for the timing and the manner you carried it out.

-kuribo

Oh yeah. Ogzins town too. Making these posts from bed and I don't feel like looking at the playerlistto refresh my memory. Man. That's too many town reads. I should be way more paranoid than that.

[Cerberus v666]

am i the only one that thinks both scumteams possibly targeting the neighbor cop means that the neighborhood is comprised of 2 scum from opposite teams?

-kuribo

Interesting theoretical. I know you aren't fond of setup speculation, but these are two 13 player games. How many neighbors need to be in such a game, for a neighbor cop to make sense?

[God of Power Outlets]

am i the only one that thinks both scumteams possibly targeting the neighbor cop means that the neighborhood is comprised of 2 scum from opposite teams?

-kuribo

Interesting theoretical. I know you aren't fond of setup speculation, but these are two 13 player games. How many neighbors need to be in such a game, for a neighbor cop to make sense?

you can't really know that, can you? It just leads right back to outguessing the mod

besides, what do i look like to you? FakeGod? You really got the wrong kuribo hydra if you're asking about setup spec
Serene2 is thataway ---->

[God of Power Outlets]

I get that you're trying to do kuribo's rage-emotion-reaction-test thing, but it's annoying as balls even when he does it

you are so lucky my antidepressants are working and making me less hostile


there was a time when i'd have flensed for that

-kuribo

[Cerberus v666]

I KNOW ChriVi is town. In multiball, scum can never make that claim D1. We are the only neighbors who chose to speak up, but it doesn't seem likely to me that we're the only neighbors.

I could definitely see a neighborhood comprised of scum from opposing teams, to possibly introduce a dynamic of working with or manipulating each other if they manage to figure it out. My only issue with that thought is that I find it unlikely that the factions from the two games are in same neighborhood, because each of their roles weren't designed as such. So..that means a game supporting such a neighborhood would have to have two scum teams by itself, and we still only have two NK flavors. Its possible a third flavor was stopped by a save of some sort though.

Pedit: yeah, I know I can't know that...but given my knowledge of my role, and ChriVi's alignment, it sesms hard to imagine that the only thing said neighbor cop could have done was kinda sorta make us a mason team.

[Cerberus v666]

Of course, Marquis was lying about his role name, so, eh, this is almost certainly all useless speculation until we know a neighbor cop actually exists.

[God of Power Outlets]

By play alone the masons are null, before someone asks me why I don't have them in my list of town reads.

are you throwing shade at the claimed masons?

the two players who are confirmed town to each other

this is what you are doing?

I just want to make sure we all understand that this is what you are doing

because that's pretty goddamn scummy

[God of Power Outlets]

it's like when I keep seeing people saying "toon is scum!"



seriously

stop poking at the fucking masons

[Titus]

Also, Magua, the "stop arguing guys" type posts always approachthe issue from the angle of examining what benefit a suspected scummy play has for the player in question. Just reading my thoughts there should tell you whether I think a player in one of these arguments is more likely scum or not, based on whatever the initial argument was about.

I love pushing "stop fighting" as scum. People tend to like Den Mother Titus.

@TPTG spoiler that thing. It's slowing down my computer.

[Cerberus v666]

By play alone the masons are null, before someone asks me why I don't have them in my list of town reads.

are you throwing shade at the claimed masons?

the two players who are confirmed town to each other

this is what you are doing?

I just want to make sure we all understand that this is what you are doing

because that's pretty goddamn scummy

Your other head agreed with me that we should be skeptical of all these pairings on D1.

[Cerberus v666]

You know me Drixx. I reserve all judgments. I'm equally suspicious of you both. Same way I'm suspicious of TPTG and Toon. Same way everyone should be suspicious of ChriVi and myself.

[/b]
A+ posting.

Just gotten to death's "reaction test". I've looked and it reeks of scum that death doesn't really seem to know what or who he was actually looking for in his reaction test. You're supposed to at least have an idea of what sort of reaction you're looking for when you reaction test? Were just you hoping to draw up whatever most suited your needs on the spot?
Don't like Drixx's defenses which seem to be reactionary counterattacks to whoever is attacking him despite any of their prior actions (attacking a mason?), and his claim is somewhat weak. I think there are better options right now though.
TPTG and others voting Drixx: how do you feel about a death/jackel lynch over Drixx?

I've softened on deathfisaro, I think we reached a bit of an understanding a few pages ago. If it's not clear my scumread on him (or Drixx) is not a body of work thing, because A) both scumteams can legitimately scumhunt and don't have to pretend for anything and B) scum can fake townie things. To find scum is to pick out the specific scummy things they put in their posts. I was a bit wrong to frame deathfiasro (and Drixx) of not scumhunting, because that is inherently wrong. I was more framing deathfisaro as being too noncommittal for my liking. I don't know that he has changed this, but I do know he has defended himself in a positive way, so that's something.

Jackel is kinda meh for us. The (for lack of a better term) 'vanilla' tracker claim seems out of place among the 1-way friendly neighborhood, neighborhood cops, night skipping princesses, etc. etc. etc. He certainly doesn't have any content to really say "this guy is town". I don't think he has the content to say 'this guy is scum either'. Worthy of a vig shot, not so worthy of a lynch, if that makes sense.

I think you should consider Drixx. You not only have to look at the SPECIFIC (I caps this for his benefit, this is not a narrative) things I have outlined to indicate scum behavior. You can look at the way he chooses to defend himself from it. He chooses to sling petty insults and discredit what I am saying. He's not scumreading me, so as far as I'm concerned that means he thinks we're confirmed town, yet he's not making the endeavor to change our perception of him or GASP work with us (as we are presumably town). If he were trying to say Toon and I were fakeclaiming scum, that is one thing. But he's not. He's not trying to work with us as a pseudo-trusted town voice, he's telling you that we have this elaborate narrative about his play as if we're making it up, when I have outlined in-thread the specific things that set him to a scumread. Like I said he reacts like scum who is indignant because he got caught for the wrong reasons. I've been gone for a couple of hours, and in that time he continues to try and discredit my points on him by minimizing my case with cries of 'falsehoods'. I've laid out my interpretation of his play. I'm not faking that. He's not trying to convince anyone that he isn't scum, he's trying to convince everyone that we're bad players with a bad case.

To make a long story short, I'd rather some votes converge on Drixx before I even entertain the thought of moving back to deathfisaro, or to consider Jackel. Jackel is a deadline thing, and a low yield one at that. Worthy of a vig shot, not so worthy of a lynch.

[Titus]

Of course, Marquis was lying about his role name, so, eh, this is almost certainly all useless speculation until we know a neighbor cop actually exists.

Neighbor cop may have been his best description of the role. I don't see why Marquis would claim cop and THEN be lying about it with a flip that's sort of like cop.

[Cerberus v666]

Of course, Marquis was lying about his role name, so, eh, this is almost certainly all useless speculation until we know a neighbor cop actually exists.

Neighbor cop may have been his best description of the role. I don't see why Marquis would claim cop and THEN be lying about it with a flip that's sort of like cop.

Possibly. I don't see why he couldn't have given the actual role name. Someone did ask him, and he lied. That is a fact. Bulba I think(I could be wrong) had a thought that perhaps he could cop+join a neighborhood. Again, pure speculation, but I guess if he could have joined the neighborhood, and perhaps been conftowned to the neighborhood when he did so, his role would make sense, since a 3 person outright mason team in a 13 player game is pretty damn strong, but a 2 person team that could become a three person team, and might only be a two person team with one unknown, is a lot more reasonable. At least, it makes a lot more sense than a role that's strictly inferior to a cop in that from our knowledge of the game his utility was very limited.

And with that, I'm off to bed.

[copper223]

@Cerberus
Can you quote where you are getting this about Marquis explicitly lying about his name?

@Bulbasaur
Yes, I already knew Mollie had tried to push me off your read and also told everyone not to vig. shoot you, just based on that interaction you looked like likely partners, what made me doubt that when reviewing their ISO were the other reads they gave, basically I did not factor in how likely the pirates are to whiteknight and they gave at least 3 reads I suspect to be completly legitimate including their Jackel98 read so it's possible they were trying to play as townie as possible and scumhunt the volcano mafia, in which case they thought you were town.

It's a hard call because they were pretty adamant about your read in particular, whereas with Jackel98 when I asked they said they were not so sure.

I definitely think everyone should check that interaction and make up their mind for themselves if it was WKing or shielding a teammate.

I am weary of the masons because the opening statement from Mollie and Ika was calling them scum, which is exactly the same thing they did with me when we rolled scum together the last time.

[copper223]

@Lihin still waiting for your answer to deathfisaro.

[Cerberus v666]

Neighbor Daycop, not Neighbor Day Cop. That's the official spacing in my role PM.

[Cerberus v666]

i really need to sleep.

[Cerberus v666]

what is your plan exactly molla?

I think any neighbors should claim. Just their neighbor part of their role obviously.

Then we need to decide to either do a double day today, or wait until I either get nightkilled or the dayneighborcop gets nightkilled and do it after that. With the stupidity I'd rather just prove it now tbh.

Ice:

Is the name of your role Neighbor Daycop?

In response to that question.

[copper223]

@Cerberus
You have a point then, it's possible he did not know we would be unable to see his flip and chose to claim something else, I hope he did not, has anyone encountered a role similarly named in another game? I think one of you said Dramonic was the mod more likely to come up with creative roles so ideally one of his.

@TPTG
Talking of names, you never answered if your role name is just plain mason or something more elaborate.

[deathfisaro]

@Lihin still waiting for your answer to deathfisaro.

I actually wish his power was global, including self. Then he wouldn't be able to lurk so much. If his next post is a mere prod dodge we should lynch him for implicit scumclaim and tomorrow wagon people who didn't join the wagon

[Drixx]

Spoiler: For Ozgin - Short Case - Spoilered for those who don't care to read it

Drixx was notoriously rolefishing for a doublevoter at the time the Lihin wagon took off. If he was genuine about his observations, why not push it sooner?

I pushed a similar gambit previously. It captured the townie who always scumreads me and one scum from each faction in the game. In that instance, I actually was bulletproof to one of the factions and lied and said I took a bullet. Still, they fished me looking to verify I actually WAS a bulletproof townie. Here, Drixx is obsessed with whether or not a treestumped. Town wouldn't care. If I wasn't voting soon enough, the reason would be evident enough.

Drixx pushed well after I warned it was anti-town for him to do so and now is acting like he's a victim, refusing to give any content at all because of fear that I'll twist it despite no one believing me that he's scum. That play resembles more like caught scum refusing to give associative tells than frustrated town.

Keep on shitting on me and refusing to acknowledge objective truth that invalidates your argument Titus. Dig that hole

nice and deep

. Maybe you could ... I dunno ... go look at the posts before I said anything about the votes, and

see for yourself

that someone else pointed it out. Oh wait, that would ruin your narrative and your whole "Drixx is scum" case would collapse. We can't consider anything that would undermine our illogical straw man fallacy riddled confbias arguments, can we?

I gave you the chance to leave well the fuck alone, and you couldn't resist making snide comments and coming after me in petty ways, so

fuck off

. You get nothing.

@Boonskiies - Please forget I asked you to be more active and carry on as if I had just gone with my original plan to prod dodge.

[Drixx]

@all - Stating intent to do nothing other than point out things which I find amusing or insightful or in some way interesting until Titus or I are lynched. I don't really care which, but I went well above and beyond to try and co-exist, and even made a show of good faith by immediately pointing out a problem with Boonskiies. My "reward" for doing as the dark goddess Titus demanded (And the commonwealth also demanded) was for her to come shit on me with snide posts several more times in the intervening hours.

Good luck my fellow townies. Kill the scum and have fun doing it. Also, if it's not too much trouble, entertaining and insightful things for me to comment on would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!

[Drixx]

@mods

- My #3321 is out of line in the 2nd paragraph. I would appreciate it if one of the mods edits out the bolded profanity.

Apparently I still haven't managed to totally make myself immune to someone who is intentionally being snide and taking continuous shots at me.

I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that. ~Cuttle

[Boonskiies]

Nope.

Would you care to grace us with some actual content, Boonskiies? In that game where you were town and I was scum, you made a metric ton of posts, and most of them were crazy talk indecipherable. You claimed it was your town game and that there was method to your madness. Sadly, my scum buddy and I put an end to that pathetic town before you could ever get to the reveal.

So imagine how excited I was to see you on this player list so I could finally see the Boonskiies madness in play for realsies. Son, I am disappoint!

But seriously ... since you made a big show of your town game being all bounce around the thread crazy and masking a more subtle game ... that leaves me to wonder what to make of Lurksack Boonskiies. Help a brother out?

I'm more active as ScumBoon than TownBoon.