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[Boonskiies]

Lurksack Boon means I'm absolutely not caught up with the game, have no clue what's going on, and eventually will throw myself into the mix when I see a way how. Probably when I feel like tunneling someone.

[ChriVi]

Nope.

Would you care to grace us with some actual content, Boonskiies? In that game where you were town and I was scum, you made a metric ton of posts, and most of them were crazy talk indecipherable. You claimed it was your town game and that there was method to your madness. Sadly, my scum buddy and I put an end to that pathetic town before you could ever get to the reveal.

So imagine how excited I was to see you on this player list so I could finally see the Boonskiies madness in play for realsies. Son, I am disappoint!

But seriously ... since you made a big show of your town game being all bounce around the thread crazy and masking a more subtle game ... that leaves me to wonder what to make of Lurksack Boonskiies. Help a brother out?

I'm more active as ScumBoon than TownBoon.

Nice self-meta.

VOTE: Boonskiies

[copper223]

@Boon
It's also a pile of tosh since by your own admission you site flaked, how is that in any way alignment indicative?

[Toon Fighter]

yeah I agree that boon post is pretty damning.

But why isn't Oranje dead yet?

[God of Power Outlets]

@TPTG
Talking of names, you never answered if your role name is just plain mason or something more elaborate.

It's more elaborate, and if you continue fishing for sharks, I'm going to eat you.

-kuribo

[Titus]

@Drixx, Someone asked for my thoughts. I gave them. How is that remotely attacking you for an inactivity read on Boonskiies? I even spoilered them so you didn't have to read it. Second, I never even mentioned your Boonskiies non-committal observation. I asked for a read. Anyone could observe Boonskiies is a lurksack. He has as many posts as the mod. Only TF had less among living players.

The more you continue this nonsense, the less it helps you.

[Cuttlefish]

Vote Count 2.06

Lihin (8)

- Cerberus v666, Om of the Nom, Boonskiies, deathfisaro, Oranje Crush, Bulbasaur Commonwealth, Narninian, Drixx

Oranje Crush (4)

- Toon Fighter, BBmolla, Three-Pronged Trouser God, LucianRoy

copper223 (2)

- copper223, VysePresident

Drixx (2)

- Titus

Cerberus v666 (1)

- Magua

Boonskiies (1)

- ChriVi

Not Voting (5)

: ActionDan, PeregrineV, vonflare, Lihin, Ozgin

With 23 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-02 10:05:14).

[wgeurts]

Titus vote lihin, Drixx isn't happening today.

[Titus]

@Wgertz, Is Bro still playing? The amount of yourhydra leaks is confusing.

Consider my vote on Lihin constructively. I am making a point here with my vote. I can prevent Lihin from self hammering as scum.

[Titus]

yeah I agree that boon post is pretty damning.

But why isn't Oranje dead yet?

Oranje appears much townier than Lihin.

[Titus]

Nope.

Would you care to grace us with some actual content, Boonskiies? In that game where you were town and I was scum, you made a metric ton of posts, and most of them were crazy talk indecipherable. You claimed it was your town game and that there was method to your madness. Sadly, my scum buddy and I put an end to that pathetic town before you could ever get to the reveal.

So imagine how excited I was to see you on this player list so I could finally see the Boonskiies madness in play for realsies. Son, I am disappoint!

But seriously ... since you made a big show of your town game being all bounce around the thread crazy and masking a more subtle game ... that leaves me to wonder what to make of Lurksack Boonskiies. Help a brother out?

I'm more active as ScumBoon than TownBoon.

Nice self-meta.

VOTE: Boonskiies

Generally that is true. I don't see the problem here.

[Drixx]

Nope.

Would you care to grace us with some actual content, Boonskiies? In that game where you were town and I was scum, you made a metric ton of posts, and most of them were crazy talk indecipherable. You claimed it was your town game and that there was method to your madness. Sadly, my scum buddy and I put an end to that pathetic town before you could ever get to the reveal.

So imagine how excited I was to see you on this player list so I could finally see the Boonskiies madness in play for realsies. Son, I am disappoint!

But seriously ... since you made a big show of your town game being all bounce around the thread crazy and masking a more subtle game ... that leaves me to wonder what to make of Lurksack Boonskiies. Help a brother out?

I'm more active as ScumBoon than TownBoon.

Erm... that's not exactly a helpful response for you. This some kind of voodoo reverse psychology or something?

Lurksack Boon means I'm absolutely not caught up with the game, have no clue what's going on, and eventually will throw myself into the mix when I see a way how. Probably when I feel like tunneling someone.

Who cares how you feel? Fake it till you can make it!

@Drixx, Someone asked for my thoughts. I gave them.

Oh ... someone asked you for #3277 did they? I'll make a note for the future that you have a telepathic link with someone in this game. That might come in handy one day!

[Titus]

@Drixx, That was a not so nice way of saying not providing reads is not alignment indicative. That is unless you are arguing you are scum. Your post complained Boonskiies is not giving reads and lurking. Yet you are antagonisticly lurking and not giving reads.

[Titus]

@Boon, pick something anything as a jumping off point. We can work from there. Just dig in. I would recommend starting with lihin.

[Titus]

@Drixx, For a man based on logic, how does ignoring a request for reads help a town player? Then passing calling the lurksack a lurksack off as a read?

[PeregrineV]

Looking back, thought Jackel might have been a CW for Drixx, but Drixx votes looked to have started earlier.

Vonflare reaches 5 first, is chased by by Vyse and then later Toon Fighter. When Jackel flares up, Drixx passes him, but then drops back, and Brantz takes the lead. He then leaves(!), and Jackel jumps back up with me as a CW(!-???).

This kind of makes me want to vote for vonflare, but becasuee he is in this list and also in Marquis ISO,

Vote: VysePresident

[Drixx]

Drixx is not amused. Drixx is not lurking. There are many lurksacks ... why does Drixx have to point them all out?

[Titus]

Drixx is not amused. Drixx is not lurking. There are many lurksacks ... why does Drixx have to point them all out?

You seriously are dense. I want a READ not someone is lurking.

[Titus]

Looking back, thought Jackel might have been a CW for Drixx, but Drixx votes looked to have started earlier.

Vonflare reaches 5 first, is chased by by Vyse and then later Toon Fighter. When Jackel flares up, Drixx passes him, but then drops back, and Brantz takes the lead. He then leaves(!), and Jackel jumps back up with me as a CW(!-???).

This kind of makes me want to vote for vonflare, but becasuee he is in this list and also in Marquis ISO,

Vote: VysePresident

Make sure I look at the wagons when I get home PV.

[Drixx]

Drixx is not amused. Drixx is not lurking. There are many lurksacks ... why does Drixx have to point them all out?

You seriously are dense. I want a READ not someone is lurking.

This amused Drixx. Please post more amusing things. Thanks in advance. XOXOXO. Love, Drixx.

[copper223]

@PV
Just because of that vote I like you more, I don't know what wagon dynamics point to Vyse being scum but I can tell you what parts of his posts and gameplay do:

- Like yesterday he is lurking through-out the day, the reiteration if his case on me uses materials from 10 pages ago and I have seen no sign of updates of his read of me based on something new I have said today, why wouldn't you follow what I do closely today if you think I am scum to build associations or find new evidence? If he did there is no trace in his latest posts.

- I predict he is going to start to post more the closer we get to the deadline, I think this is a tactic he employed yesterday to get enough townreads not to be im trouble, I see no natural reason why his posts should be distributed like his are.

- His case on me is built on soft stances of how he feels I ought to be scumreading/townreading players, he does not explain objectively what he finds scum indicative but constantly resorts to words like feeling/genuine/forced... which are vague enough stances you can't pin him down or have a serious discussion based on the content.

- After building his case on these stances, which at the very least project his own idea of how I am supposed to play and that don't take into account different playstiles, he uses this point about different playstiles to justify himself about the over-excusing he did yesterday, and further uses the fact I think that's scum indicative to call me scum for it, there is no consistent belief here which hints at opportunistc stances rather than true belief.

- After plopping a read-list on most of the players yesterday he has not interacted with any of them to update his material today, so my assumption once again is that readlist was made to make him look town rather than to actively try to figure out the rest of the us.

- He says playing scum is telling a story, he has sticked with copper is scum from the start of the game and never changed his tune on this, including when I claimed investigative, he did change his vote to BRantz and say he was dumb (dumb not to see I claimed and that scumreading me was a bad move at that time is my take) but still continued to scumread me after, probably bolstered by so many willing to lynch Jackel98. For most of yesterday he never clearly explained why he was scumreading me and as I said trying to discuss the actual case he made is not possible because it's basically postulated as a giant gut read with words used as window-dressing.

VOTE: Vyse

[copper223]

yeah I agree that boon post is pretty damning.

But why isn't Oranje dead yet?

Why is Oranje surefire scum?

[Titus]

Copper, Vyse isn't the type of player who typically engages in longwinded discussion. If he's referencing this and having a followable train of thoughts, that is fine by me. He did fight me townreading him which is usually town indicative.

Can we vote Lihin and discuss Vyse tomorrow?

[copper223]

@Titus
I'm fine with the Lihin lynch if he doesn't provide a valid response to deathfisaro.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Titus, maybe I derped somewhere, but why were you even considering Narnian as scum with Pirate Ika?

Shoot Pirates (sadly), lynch Oranje...good day.

I like this plan

I don't. I'd like to save the shot for the same day that we plan on activating Molla's ability. That way we can get 3 effective lynches. Although, I feel as if I may get overruled here.

-Bulbasaur

Yes, let's do all of this. Lucian takes his shot, Brantz does his thing, we do Molla's thing, and we lynch some fools.

The above plan has the Three-Pronged Mushroom Stamp of Approval

Don't do Molla's thing, I'll lose my BP and then poof I are gone :<

To be fair, I wanted to lynch your guilty, which I felt would still give you a BP, and then use the shot on d3.

Remember how hard the pirates tried to move me from the commonwealth because "they are not a good D1" lynch? Check that one out again.

First, Mollie would have said that regardless of alignment, because not doing so would be a giant red flag. Second, finding new ways to justify a stale read increases the likelihood that you will flip scum.

LucianRoy is confirmed to have the ability to kill during the day (did any of us doubt that?) - but I don't see that as being confirmed town at all.
Heck he could even be Berlin City mafia, he really had no choice but to use it that way. He was wanting to use it yesterday when we had no information.
I'm not saying he's probably not town or anything, just it doesn't confirm anything other than he can kill during that day.

Scum teams having a vig are so rare as to be unlikely. Lucian is essentially conf. town at this point.

I have a hard time reading Copper...haha.

What was the point of this?

7. Three-Pronged Trouser God (Untrod Tripod & kuribo & T-Bone) - Scum would want me dead. Plus this hydra will be hard to lynch if scum.

Trouser God claimed masons, which makes investigating them a waste of time. Come on, Titus, you should know better than this.

Lucian, ozgin is conf town.
You could still be other faction.
VOTE: Lihin

Your insistence on the easy lynch target doesn't look good to me. You keep tunneling on him after all the Pika shenanigans and with a lot of other players that you say nothing about. I think you are scum looking for an easy lynch target to save yourself today. To say nothing of your suspicious Twilight claim and all that Jazz. I still think the best lynch today would be Oranje.

What does the Pika shenanigans have to do with any of this. Oranje came into the day voting and making a case on Lihin. I think they were even voting Lihin before the wagon on themselves started forming. To say that they are voting Lihin to save themselves is preposterous.

Also, if you don't think she's town what's the problem?
I'm pushing scum, as town should. How about you join us, when she flips Volcano (I doubt she's pika's partner) mafia I will have proven that I'm not in one of the two factions.
I'm town, you got a problem with that?

Why do you keep forgetting Werewolves exist?

I made a fucking huge case twice and voted her, however I was

diverted by my partner

due to the cop claim and target.
Byw wgeurts is me.
What's wrong with the way I voted her?
You haven't looked at the cases have you?
Nor do you realise I started the lihin push.

Explain the bolded please.

You can't be that stupid...

going to claim now, i kind of wanted that wagon on me because my role is ridiculously confirmable and i wanted to see if scum would try going after an easy looking mislynch. i am a town double day foreman. i can select a player and cut their prod/replace deadlines in half (reduced from 72/24 to 36/12) for the rest of the day phase effective immediately. if they get prodded any time during a day i select them, they gain hated modifier for said day. confirmation is coming in the form of the commonwealth being prodded.

First, your role does not confirm you as town. Second, its utility is heavily scum sided, with a focus on getting rid of players, which always helps out scum. So likely, we're looking at a scum role. And given that Pirate Ika did not feel like lying about their role, I can see why you wouldn't as well. Third, I'm assuming your ability targets players indirectly, because if it's a direct target, the mods and I are going to have some words.

oh man the ability to force players to post more and possibly give them a conditional hated modifier, what an incredibly reasonable scum role

You increase the likelihood of getting rid of a player you don't like, especially if you specifically target the hydra that is not as active and has 2 heads that routinely go V/LA on weekends. Scum want to more easily get rid of players not on their team. Your role fits that mindset to a T.

i picked commonwealth because they hadn't posted in 37 hours (immediate confirmation) and they are a three-headed hydra so it's unlikely they'll miss the 12 hour deadline and get forcereplaced.

Except that the hydra is constantly making catchup posts and falling behind, so your pick was deliberate to make it more likely the slot would be force replaced.

First of all he is a replacement, so his postcount is not as indicative as others and if we want to go that route why aren't you hard tunnelling the rest of the lurkers like for instance Boon? Second I can think of better ways to use his power and his flavour that do not include coming out to switch your vote on Drixx when he looked like the major wagon yesterday based on your PM flavour but rather sending in the prod to him in the hope he gets lynched. So all in all, can Lihin be mafia? Yes it's possible but unlikely.

I'm not seeing how any of this makes Lihin unlikely to be scum.

THAT's a scum role, making someone take 1 less to lynch isn't town.
Also her reasons are crap, she hasn't explained the first contradiction and she's basicaly admitted she only cared about the current suspects and talk.
Scum.
Lynch her.

Good posting.

I posted a huge case like a few posts up.

I think the case is okay. Pretty sure Bulb doesn't care for the case because he thinks you're scummy, so it's overall kinda meh.

I actually liked their second case. Me thinking they're scummy has nothing to do with it, as this is multiball, and I'm more than willing to team up to eliminate a common scum read.

Lol if lihin is scum copper totaly is as well.

I'm not seeing the connection.

I am.

Erm ... Commonwealth ... there's 1 more vote than there is players. Figuring out who has an extra vote seems like a good thing.

Why?

On to page 124.

-Bulbasaur