We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Titus]

@Bulb, I consider every scum team until its implausible? I was more focused on BBMolla plus Narnian.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

This is just a semi-prod-dodge for us until Bulb gets himself to post, since the computer place I took my laptop to was near the library.

Copper continues to be town, and people calling him non-town are flummoxing me.

I don't see the town motivation in the way copper has cherry-picked at Vyse's case on him, mainly.

Lihin wagon is ok. Claim is confirmable but meh. I skipped over a lot of shit in regards to it because I hate reading.

All it does is make the target have to post within 36 hours or be prodded (instead of 72) and 12 hours before being force-replaced (instead of 24). Oh, and it apparently makes the target be hated and need one less vote, though I'm not yet sure about that being true. He has not stated how many shots it has, but he did use at least A shot because I can confirm we only have 36 hours in which to post before we're prodded.

The role is anti-town at best given what he's said about it (just a flat prod-time reduction would be fine, but the added hated part is not), and his usage on me was not optimal IMO. Why not use it on, say, Vonflare or Boon? I'm aware that our slot was more likely to be able to confirm that it happened, but I don't think that makes up for anything.

If Cerberus were town, each scumteam would've been better off shooting Cerberus than Marquis. Same zero confirmables, suspicion stays on Marquis, etc.

If Cerb is town, unless they're looking for suspicion on Marquis, wouldn't the shot not matter at all between them? The only way it would, I think, is if Marquis copped+joined, but we don't know that.

Also, Drixx. Just stop. NOW you're being a petulant and petty child. Titus just re-stated his case for Ozgin in that post, nothing more.

and you couldn't resist making snide comments and coming after me in petty ways, so fuck off.

Lies.

Boonskies, I do expect you to give us stuff.

-Ivysaur.

[Ozgin]

To be fair, I wanted to lynch your guilty, which I felt would still give you a BP, and then use the shot on d3.

So that means because we went for the alternative option (shoot Pika now, give me BP and give us a daylynch yet), you want to let me lose my BP so I die tomorrow? Ohk, thanks.

[Titus]

@BC, I am not so confident the masons are town but it's a fool's errand to poke there anyway. Scum will kill them if we do not.

[Titus]

Oh and Lihin's claim would be more plausible if she picked PV who was wagoned for lurking. Having a little/no content spot replaced is good. Force replacing a three headed hydra with awesome scumhunting power. Bad.

[Narninian]

[quote="In

LucianRoy is confirmed to have the ability to kill during the day (did any of us doubt that?) - but I don't see that as being confirmed town at all.
Heck he could even be Berlin City mafia, he really had no choice but to use it that way. He was wanting to use it yesterday when we had no information.
I'm not saying he's probably not town or anything, just it doesn't confirm anything other than he can kill during that day.

Scum teams having a vig are so rare as to be unlikely. Lucian is essentially conf. town at this point.
[/quote]

How do you define 'Vig' ---- do you mean.. Can kill? because thats not rare at all for mafia.

This game has plenty of roles with slight unique twists. Pirate Ika was a 'modified' roleblocker (whatever that means) we had a neighbor cop, my role is bit different than a standard redirector, a cop that gains bulletproof. I could easily see a scum team that has the option to kill during the day instead of at night, and if it existed the right move would be for one of them to come out as a vigilante.

I'm not saying I think he's scum --- just that being able to kill people doesn't automatically clear him.

[copper223]

First, Mollie would have said that regardless of alignment, because not doing so would be a giant red flag. Second, finding new ways to justify a stale read increases the likelihood that you will flip scum.

Based on how much they lurked she could have easily not said anything either and she said she was unsure about your meta Bulbazak in particular so it's not as if she gives that read every game or she could have gotten around it if she wanted to, it might have been questionable if the other 2 heads asked her directly but that's not how it went down.

You are basically saying that scumhunting you is more likely to make me scum, what it makes more likely is that your scumread of me is based on self preservation.

[copper223]

Lihin (8) -

Cerberus v666

,

Om of the Nom

, Boonskiies,

deathfisaro

,

Oranje Crush

,

Bulbasaur Commonwealth

, Narninian,

Drixx

Jackel98 (13) - Bulbasaur Commonwealth, BBmolla, Ozgin, Magua, Lihin, copper223, Om of the Nom, Drixx, Marquis, LucianRoy, Oranje Crush, VysePresident, Cerberus v666

This is why the Lihin wagon makes me a bit unconfortable.

[deathfisaro]

Lihin (8) -

Cerberus v666

,

Om of the Nom

, Boonskiies,

deathfisaro

,

Oranje Crush

,

Bulbasaur Commonwealth

, Narninian,

Drixx

Jackel98 (13) - Bulbasaur Commonwealth, BBmolla, Ozgin, Magua, Lihin, copper223, Om of the Nom, Drixx, Marquis, LucianRoy, Oranje Crush, VysePresident, Cerberus v666

This is why the Lihin wagon makes me a bit unconfortable.

Because I lynched Jackel? Hmm... I thought I voted for PV and my basis for going after Lihin was not using his power on PV D1?

[copper223]

@fisaro
Your name should not be green, those are names on both wagons.

[deathfisaro]

With 1 scum dead, how does 5 people overlap on a wagon make you uncomfortable?
If anything people who lurk and allowing the game to play itself make me far more uncomfortable because that's exactly what I did last game as scum, intentional or not.

[Drixx]

Drixx is amused and confused that Copper is drawing conclusions from vote lists on a day that includes the context of this particular day. Context can really throw a wrench into that sort of thing.

[copper223]

@fisaro
5 out of the 8 when the other wagon had 13 is quite a bit of overlap and the dead guy was town.

The other 3 names are Narninian that did not want to vote Jackel98 solely based on claims and whose concern today like yesterday seems to be to try and keep all options open, lurksack join every main early wagon even as town Boon and you, who as I said Mollie and Ika likely thought were part of the opposing scumfaction.

Not every scum lurks in their games, I am sure there likely are some in there but the more dangerous ones are behind some of the pushes.

[copper223]

@Drixx
Being a bit unconfortable is such a conclusion...

[PeregrineV]

okay.

this:

Vote Count 1.09
vonflare (5) - ActionDan, Pirate Ika, BRantz, Ozgin, Jackel98
Toon Fighter (4) - Marquis, vonflare, Magua, BBmolla
VysePresident (3) - copper223, Toon Fighter, deathfisaro
deathfisaro (2) - Om of the Nom, Three-Pronged Trouser God
BRantz (2) - LucianRoy, Narninian
LucianRoy (1) - Bulbasaur Commonwealth
Soren (1) - Cerberus v666
copper223 (1) - Drixx
ActionDan (1) - ChriVi
Marquis (1) - Boonskiies

Not Voting (4): PeregrineV, VysePresident, Reubus Swagrid, Lihin, Oranje Crush

is pitiful 5 days before dl. there has not been 1 strong this entire day round much less a cw to look at. town needs to consolidate.

the single voters need to get off their pathetic vanity wagons and make use of their vote cos if we wind up not lynching because y'all are too busy derping and stroking your egos I am going to be pissed cos it will basically mean a waste of a day.

I am willing to compromise onto toon cos I like who is on there and I didn't like his comment to magua it looked a bit like posturing to me but the vote doesn't excite me in fact nothing in this game has excited me at all except townreading om and copper and trouser pple. the commonwealth needs to get off their lazy butts and do something there are 2 heads in that hydra and their lurking is inexcusable. who was it who said that vyse was lynchbait I mean have they actually played with vyse before? if not then they are likely scum!

@ magua

well since you did not sub into a game where I am being called a cunt, relentlessly harassed, where scum had faked a cop guilty on me and pple still thought I was a good lynch despite me voting and pushing every single scum lynch, repeatedly called stupid on every single page despite my reads being right, breaking down in tears cos I was to constantly feel bad about myself by the pple I had just met and loved and then to have you sub into the game while not reading the game and immediately start echoing what was said cos it was "kewl" I think the answer is likely to be no!

tammy and I kissed and made up and some pple apologized and nacho is arriving tomorrow so i am very happy right now. the only little rain cloud in my big beautiful blue sky is this dismal votecount so can you help me do something about it? I want to shame pple into taking stances and call out the derailers cos it is getting old.

@ copper

I don't think your vyse wagon is going anywhere but you are pretty active so do you think you can join a more meaningful wagon? what do you think of the toon wagon? the only person I do not like on there is vonny and I am wondering if he is bussing. if so we shld by all means we shld help him I swear the only way scum get lynched on this site is if scum help them do it you sure as fuck can't rely on town to do it.

This makes me want to vote vonflare. How do you encourage someone to join a wagon that's more meaningul and tell the town to consolidate and then recommend the wagon that you are NOT on?
With ika being scum, vonflare looks like a reluctant bus.

[Titus]

[quote="In

LucianRoy is confirmed to have the ability to kill during the day (did any of us doubt that?) - but I don't see that as being confirmed town at all.
Heck he could even be Berlin City mafia, he really had no choice but to use it that way. He was wanting to use it yesterday when we had no information.
I'm not saying he's probably not town or anything, just it doesn't confirm anything other than he can kill during that day.

Scum teams having a vig are so rare as to be unlikely. Lucian is essentially conf. town at this point.

How do you define 'Vig' ---- do you mean.. Can kill? because thats not rare at all for mafia.

This game has plenty of roles with slight unique twists. Pirate Ika was a 'modified' roleblocker (whatever that means) we had a neighbor cop, my role is bit different than a standard redirector, a cop that gains bulletproof. I could easily see a scum team that has the option to kill during the day instead of at night, and if it existed the right move would be for one of them to come out as a vigilante.

I'm not saying I think he's scum --- just that being able to kill people doesn't automatically clear him.[/quote]

I had a one shot dayvig in Gundam Seed. Of course they had already burned it whe Isubbed in so...

[Titus]

Spoiler: PI quote

okay.

this:

Vote Count 1.09
vonflare (5) - ActionDan, Pirate Ika, BRantz, Ozgin, Jackel98
Toon Fighter (4) - Marquis, vonflare, Magua, BBmolla
VysePresident (3) - copper223, Toon Fighter, deathfisaro
deathfisaro (2) - Om of the Nom, Three-Pronged Trouser God
BRantz (2) - LucianRoy, Narninian
LucianRoy (1) - Bulbasaur Commonwealth
Soren (1) - Cerberus v666
copper223 (1) - Drixx
ActionDan (1) - ChriVi
Marquis (1) - Boonskiies

Not Voting (4): PeregrineV, VysePresident, Reubus Swagrid, Lihin, Oranje Crush

is pitiful 5 days before dl. there has not been 1 strong this entire day round much less a cw to look at. town needs to consolidate.

the single voters need to get off their pathetic vanity wagons and make use of their vote cos if we wind up not lynching because y'all are too busy derping and stroking your egos I am going to be pissed cos it will basically mean a waste of a day.

I am willing to compromise onto toon cos I like who is on there and I didn't like his comment to magua it looked a bit like posturing to me but the vote doesn't excite me in fact nothing in this game has excited me at all except townreading om and copper and trouser pple. the commonwealth needs to get off their lazy butts and do something there are 2 heads in that hydra and their lurking is inexcusable. who was it who said that vyse was lynchbait I mean have they actually played with vyse before? if not then they are likely scum!

@ magua

well since you did not sub into a game where I am being called a cunt, relentlessly harassed, where scum had faked a cop guilty on me and pple still thought I was a good lynch despite me voting and pushing every single scum lynch, repeatedly called stupid on every single page despite my reads being right, breaking down in tears cos I was to constantly feel bad about myself by the pple I had just met and loved and then to have you sub into the game while not reading the game and immediately start echoing what was said cos it was "kewl" I think the answer is likely to be no!

tammy and I kissed and made up and some pple apologized and nacho is arriving tomorrow so i am very happy right now. the only little rain cloud in my big beautiful blue sky is this dismal votecount so can you help me do something about it? I want to shame pple into taking stances and call out the derailers cos it is getting old.

@ copper

I don't think your vyse wagon is going anywhere but you are pretty active so do you think you can join a more meaningful wagon? what do you think of the toon wagon? the only person I do not like on there is vonny and I am wondering if he is bussing. if so we shld by all means we shld help him I swear the only way scum get lynched on this site is if scum help them do it you sure as fuck can't rely on town to do it.

This makes me want to vote vonflare. How do you encourage someone to join a wagon that's more meaningul and tell the town to consolidate and then recommend the wagon that you are NOT on?
With ika being scum, vonflare looks like a reluctant bus.

Ika's theme was all about compromise and working together. He couldn't push vonflare and have THAT be his theme. His compromise would have been do what I want rather than compromising.

This is actually a stronger case for Vysescum. He singles out that wagon as not going anywhere which smells more of diffusing buddies. I still don't like Vyse as scum but this post is a decent point towards that.

[Titus]

Lihin (8) -

Cerberus v666

,

Om of the Nom

, Boonskiies,

deathfisaro

,

Oranje Crush

,

Bulbasaur Commonwealth

, Narninian,

Drixx

Jackel98 (13) - Bulbasaur Commonwealth, BBmolla, Ozgin, Magua, Lihin, copper223, Om of the Nom, Drixx, Marquis, LucianRoy, Oranje Crush, VysePresident, Cerberus v666

This is why the Lihin wagon makes me a bit unconfortable.

Drixx is only on the wagon as a stunt.

However, wagons naturally have overlap. Most of those names I feel really good about on the Lihin wagon.

[Titus]

@Copper
Cerb is a"mason"ish role.
Om is leading a train from yesterday.
Boons total lurk bleh.
Death has frequent good posting.
OC has good posting but for the horrible twilight claim and fish.
I like both BC and Narnian.

[Titus]

This Lihin wagon smells a lot like YnB from InuYasha. Does nothing townie but yet hard to wagon.

[Titus]

There is a chance that BC is buddying the fuck out of me but I really don't care atm.

[Drixx]

Drixx is

so surprised

that Titus makes another objectively false assertion. Drixx voted for Lihin in #2951, noting that the case looked sound and suggesting pressure be put on. Drixx also wondered where OM had wandered off to in the same post.

Drixx only moved his vote to Titus in post #3112 because Titus was obviously lying and Lynch All Liars is a thing; which is also mentioned in #3112.

Drixx then moved vote back to Lihin in #3240 and noted, and I quote, "{Please note I had previously voted for Lihin and you can look in my ISO for what I said at that time}" but since Titus has abandoned logic and apparently also honesty, Titus has to

lie again

about Drixx's vote, because for Titus, the narrative fitting is the most important thing.

Drixx is

extra

amused that Titus once, like a blind squirrel, lucked into a nut by blundering into catching scum by accident, and somehow thinks that single accidental event is a template for how to read situations. Drixx wonders if Titus has ever considered using basic logic and rational thought, but then figures that it isn't worth asking since the answer is obvious.

Drixx gets amused by the preview posts showing up where once again Titus is referring to some previous game as if a previous game somehow dictates anything about this game. Drixx supposes that it would be irrational to ask an irrational person to behave rationally.

[Drixx]

Since nobody wanted to bother to actually play the game properly, Drixx has gone and found the post that he referenced previously. Presented here is the post which made Drixx notice the vote count irregularities. Non-relevant bits are spoilered out since this is a very large post:

Spoiler: Less Relevant Stuffs

Okay the game grew monstrously during the last couple days and I just spend nearly 2 hours reading all this before posting. Get ready as I comment on some interesting things I found...

I'm really torn on doing this but I think it will probably help town more than scum to reveal this;

I am a kill re director; Last night I chose somebody to have the first kill attempt on them go to another target (of my choice) -- this doesn't work if the new target is source of the kill. (my understanding is if its mafia, anybody in that mafia team, not just the person actually performing the kill)

I targeted BBMolla and redirected it to Marquis. Basically if I chose scum there was a chance it would fail, and I was hoping Marquis would be protected, its possible he *WAS* protected and my redirect is what killed him.... sorry. thinking about it now, if I had targeted somebody I thought was scummy and it failed, then I had a probably confirmed scum so I shouldn't have done it that way.

Very interesting claim. Don't see scum coming out like this. Still, as has been pointed out, the redirect choice was questionable, at best. If we have 3+ scum factions, could see Narninian being of the one that didn't target Marquis originally (assuming he is actually telling the truth that is, but the motivation for the claim seems to suggest so), but other than that he seems 80% conftown at this point.

I'm really torn on doing this but I think it will probably help town more than scum to reveal this;

I am a kill re director; Last night I chose somebody to have the first kill attempt on them go to another target (of my choice) -- this doesn't work if the new target is source of the kill. (my understanding is if its mafia, anybody in that mafia team, not just the person actually performing the kill)

I targeted BBMolla and redirected it to Marquis. Basically if I chose scum there was a chance it would fail, and I was hoping Marquis would be protected, its possible he *WAS* protected and my redirect is what killed him.... sorry. thinking about it now, if I had targeted somebody I thought was scummy and it failed, then I had a probably confirmed scum so I shouldn't have done it that way.

Or hell, redirect it to one of the bulletproofs

THIS! So much this! If you had redirected onto me, then if it was Eviscerate, it would have fizzled due to my immunity to werewolf kills (How on EARTH is Copper the only one who realized what "Silver lining" meant?).

@ActionDan - You have some reason more than an assumption that "werewolf" isn't usually a "mafia" faction to back up your claim that my immunity isn't to one of the mafia groups? The kill flavor looks an awful lot like the earlier outed "volcano" mafia (incinerate) and a "werewolf" mafia (eviscerate).

Here's the revised edition:
The other mafia faction made their direct Nk on Marquis, and

the volcano dudes were redirected from Molla at Marquis.

This looks a LOT like a scum slip

. How on earth could you know which faction targeted Marquis, or even if a re-direct happened, unless you were on the team that got re-directed? I re-read all of today to see if there was some obscure bit of info that could lead to this conclusion, and I don't see it. You appear to know things you can't possibly know Lucian.

FoS Lucian

@Titus - You should probably link to the VCA thread. Your description of VCA and how it is applied is lacking a lot. (For the record, I have a very LOW view of VCA. I think it is, at best, a weak sorting tool. Large scale probability

does not

apply to individual situations, and PoE plus context will get you a lot farther than thinking about all the possible things VCA might be showing).

Agree. And with the recent Pika shot, and requests for night protection and stuff, I would not discard the potential 'Lucian scum in a non-berlin facton' possibility (as we are pretty much confirmed multiball at this point).

If you are still lost after your reread, the protown thing is to kill one of the people wagoned yesterday (PV or Drixx). That would help us learn if those wagons changing fast were in defense of a buddy or not.

@Drixx not getting into a theory debate with you.

Before the cop result, this actually made sense. Good post (one of the only ones) by Titus.

Vote Count 2.01

Oranje Crush (2)

- Narninian, Toon Fighter

LucianRoy (2)

- Om of the Nom, Drixx

Titus (1)

- Three-Pronged Trouser God

copper223 (1)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth

Pirate Ika (1)

- Ozgin

Ozgin (1)

- deathfisaro

Bulbasaur Commonwealth (1)

- VysePresident

Not Voting (16)

: Pirate Ika, Oranje Crush, ActionDan, ChriVi, Boonskiies, PeregrineV, vonflare, Cerberus v666, BRantz, LucianRoy, Magua, Titus, Lihin, BBmolla, copper223

With 25 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-02 10:05:14).

@mod: is there a reason we can't have full flips?

Yes, giving full flips would be a significant balance shift that we did not plan for.

I've amended rule I to include the clause in parentheses:

I. This game will use no factions other than what is considered normal (town, mafia, werewolf and serial killer).

Will no one comment on the fact that we have more votes than players this time (a triple vote or 2 double votes if Titus maintains her stump quality)? Ok then

{Emphasis added}

Spoiler: More Less Relevant Stuffs

Also how the fuck am I a "good lynch".
I was "fucking town" yesterday before twighlight. I claimed, didn't die and only one kill happened. How fucking far-streched is your mind to think that I'm still SK and not a commuter.

ESPECIALLY when one night kill was blocked possibly be me.

That is assuming a lot. Don't be cocky.

trouser pple can I somehow persuade you and toon to move here?

just look at twilight.

just look at it.

I was already there. But you are a dead scum now, so it doesn't matter much

ok two things:


1- I said this in the mason PT and I'll say it here, setup spec is the most boring fucking thing ever. Stop fucking claiming every five seconds and stop trying to outguess the mod. It literally makes me hate all of you.

2- if ozgin is claiming a guilty on mollie, there's only one play to make: one of them has to die

unvote
Vote: pirate ika

That's all. Having a shitty day, don't bother engaging me if you have soft feelings

-kuribo, the Crimson Fucker

Do people want me to go away again today?

Catching up in a few hours either way.

Bolding mine.

Vote on Lucian until he shoots the guilty, because like TPTG says, that's the ONLY reasonable response. Take the shot, prove your claim AND kill scum. Assuming he flips scum, congratulations, you just saved town DAYS of arguing over whether or not we should lynch him with constant reference to alternative scenarios involving redirections of all sorts. If you don't shoot him, well...seems like a good chance we just found two scum.

Vote: LucianRoy

BRantz: Yes, I want you to go away sometime shortly before a lynch is guaranteed on someone else, so you leaving doesn't screw up votes, and we have time to lynch you if you don't actually go away as you claim you're going to do, and so you have time to contribute prior to leaving.

Bulbasaur: Hmm. The aim isn't to cause WIFOM, but to honestly bring up all possibilities as they occur to me. I do see your point though.

Oranje: My votes going on you as soon as Lucian shoots, until someone does something scummier than claiming a role that incentives town to not investigate you, and justifies continued survival into the late game, while simultaneously doing so during THE WORST TIME OF DAY TO CLAIM A ROLE THAT CAN WASTE A NK, WHILE UNDER NO PRESSURE AT ALL, IN PURSUIT OF PERSISTENT CALLS FOR MASS CLAIMS.

SPECULATION: Ika+Oranje team, ika claimed no result on orange to support the commuter claim. Bit early for that play though, but might be a last ditch move to save themselves from the bad call on the claim.

Narninian: Pretty obv town, just...ugh. Bad plays,but I've said enough about that. His bad play and admittance of said play feels super town.

Don't agree with this stance on Lucian. Only a couple hours had passed since the claim. There was no need to vote him at this point. If cerberus felt like Pika was better off dead, why not just vote her in the first place?

Blah shit. That means both Ozgin and ika could be town if tailor is not bastard.

We should have Ozgin investigate more

Both Pika and Ozgin seem legit to me.

Yet I can't vote. I am not so sure they are both town.

I think it is good I am not voting.

Titus, do you even mafia? I mean, keeping up the tailor speculation at this point seems ridiculous. And does not look good at all after the flip. Still, I don't think Titus is scum, just playing a very bad game here.

Stop saying you will shoot her an shoot her.

YES. Reading multiple pages of discussion of the shot before the actual shot is literally painful.

No, just confirmed not Berlin Undercity Mafia...

I agree. Ozgin, Lucian and Oranje are by no means confirmed town. They are all likely town, but I could see 1+ of them being scum.

Lucian, ozgin is conf town.
You could still be other faction.
VOTE: Lihin

Your insistence on the easy lynch target doesn't look good to me. You keep tunneling on him after all the Pika shenanigans and with a lot of other players that you say nothing about. I think you are scum looking for an easy lynch target to save yourself today. To say nothing of your suspicious Twilight claim and all that Jazz. I still think the best lynch today would be Oranje.

Drixx wonders if Titus will continue to spin the narrative that He is scum even though TPTG pointed out that he had successfully voted for her earlier in the day, which had already outed Titus as a liar, and even though TF is the one who first pointed out the vote irregularity, which caused Drixx to become paranoid and try to figure it out.

Drixx thinks that Titus will continue to be stubborn because apparently a slight loss of face in front of people on the internet is to be avoided at all costs.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Anyone who ever says "let's lynch a confirmable role" is 10/10 stupid.

Hey, Lihin is a confirmable role. Her alignment is not guaranteed to be town. Let's lynch her.

If they are buddies though then Lihin likely made up his role name to cover for his vote shift on Drixx in a very clever way, and as I said I am leery of all the support coming in to lynch Lihin after Oranje made his case.

Why?

I'm very unhappy with Lihin's reaction to his wagon, as much as Jackel's.

Why the Jackel comparison?

Oh and to 3132 for anyone caring to notice Drixx says "my wincon". That's another reason he needs to die.

Please stop. Just vote Lihin.

@Vyse
It's nice to see that everything that has happened today is irrelevant for your read of me and that you are quoting a scumread of yours, namely Bulbasaur, in lieu of your own words, because they apparently express better than you do why you think I am scum.

What have you done today that makes his case irrelevant? I'm not seeing how much has changed. Also, why can't he agree with us? I agree with Oranje about Lihin, and I'm scumreading both of them. This is multiball, which means multiple scum teams who are hunting each other. I don't think it's too out of the ordinary to work with a scum read to lynch a mutual scum read in these circumstances.

Helping the counter wagon because I'm not a fan of the Lihin wagon.

Why not?

@all - Seriously, lynch me and get my flip and get this over with. Anyone who wants to keep me around in the game at this point, now that Titus has made it clear that she won't be rational or reasonable, should be suspect. I have zero role utility and am essentially a VT in a game of PRs. Thanks to Titus making a really stupid ploy, I got paranoid that there were scum shenanigans going on with the votes, and Titus is too butthurt to be consistent in her thinking and thus I will never stop representing a negative utility value to the town. Me being dead puts to rest my alignment and then you guys can go look at who was taking advantage of this crap. Perhaps it will help kill scum.

I have no intention of lynching you, because I've found you to be town for most of the day. I think that I'm in the majority here as well. Now stop this crap and actually play the freaking game.

I know Vyse has posted words but they just sort of slid by my head without making an imprint.

You need to look into getting that fixed.

Lihin wagon is ok. Claim is confirmable but meh.

Just because a claim is confirmable does not mean it's town.

I skipped over a lot of shit in regards to it because I hate reading.

You are a sad indictment of our education system.

Copper continues to be town, and people calling him non-town are flummoxing me.

Well, you do refuse to read the cases, so...

Cerberus is still my strongest scumread, which is sad given him being a townread D1 but such is life.

Your reason for scumreading him is flawed. There's another far more appealing reason to kill Marquis rather than to protect a scum Cerb: To set up a mislynch on a town Cerb. This makes the Marquis kill a win-win, as they get rid of a role that could result in 3 conf. town (Marquis/Cerb/Chrivi) to incriminate another player (Cerb) which would allow a free mislynch for the scum. This would result in town doing their work for them, as they could then kill Chrivi n2, instead of spending 3 nights getting rid of the entire group. Is it any wonder why Marquis may have been targeted by multiple teams?

So there's a lot of walls of text I've been seeing, can anyone sum up the Lihin case to it's 3 major-most points of evidence, so I can tell if it's worthwhile to read?

I can leave this to Oranje to explain further, but it essentially boils down to opportunistic stances aimed at lynching the most popular wagon just to get a lynch and that her role has more scum utility than town.

Vyse,Titus, Drixx, Narn, ChriVi are town, in descending order of towniness.

I thought Chrivi was conf. town to you. Why is she at the bottom of that list?

am i the only one that thinks both scumteams possibly targeting the neighbor cop means that the neighborhood is comprised of 2 scum from opposite teams?

-kuribo

I'd say you are, but I'm probably wrong on that.

Nope.

Would you care to grace us with some actual content, Boonskiies? In that game where you were town and I was scum, you made a metric ton of posts, and most of them were crazy talk indecipherable. You claimed it was your town game and that there was method to your madness. Sadly, my scum buddy and I put an end to that pathetic town before you could ever get to the reveal.

So imagine how excited I was to see you on this player list so I could finally see the Boonskiies madness in play for realsies. Son, I am disappoint!

But seriously ... since you made a big show of your town game being all bounce around the thread crazy and masking a more subtle game ... that leaves me to wonder what to make of Lurksack Boonskiies. Help a brother out?

I'm more active as ScumBoon than TownBoon.

Nice self-meta.

VOTE: Boonskiies

There are better votes. Thoughts on Lihin, Oranje, Copper, and Drixx?

@PV: Thoughts on the current game state please?

Copper's #3345 is scum posting. PV votes Vyse, and Copper jumps on the person calling him scum using reasoning built to discredit him? Yeah, no.

How do you define 'Vig' ---- do you mean.. Can kill? because thats not rare at all for mafia.

Scum teams have a faction kill. That's entirely different from a role with a kill. Giving a scum team an additional kill on top of their faction kill is very rare and highly unlikely.

You are basically saying that scumhunting you is more likely to make me scum, what it makes more likely is that your scumread of me is based on self preservation.

Except that what you're doing is not scumhunting. What it is is continually justifying a static read that you never had a good reason to have in the first place. You don't bother to reconsider it. You just come up with new ways why you hold it. Static reads are more indicative of scum than town. Ergo, you having a static read on us for no good reason equals likely scum. And you trying to discredit our read on you by saying that it's based on self preservation is ridiculous, because it would require us to be, I don't know, actually in danger of being lynched by you, instead of being a name you just throw out when someone asks you who your scumreads are.

-Bulbasaur

[Titus]

Drixx needs to stop picking fights and start hunting scum. You made a big deal...See I voted Lihin before and can vote again. We aren't buddies.

Seriously, if you want me to reread you, give some fucking reads.