We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Cerberus v666]

Who is better? And not likely to attract those same votes you're concerned about?

[LucianRoy]

What do you call a fake noodle?

An impasta!

I just needed to say that.

[LucianRoy]

Who is better? And not likely to attract those same votes you're concerned about?

I don't like Narn's vote on Lihin.
I can't pull it up at the moment, but it was just a couple lines of what everyone else had said, and then a vote.
The whole train is kind of like a scumminess meter. There are some strong town reads at the front, and then it slowly tapers off.
I'm not quite sure what this could indicate, but I don't believe it indicates anything good.

Unlike Lihin, OC can actually be pressured. The first reason being: he's actually playing the game.

Also, I'm not discrediting the possibility of Lihin being scum. I also find that claim as hard to swallow as a mouthful of sand, but he kind of proved it. It's weird, to say the least.

[deathfisaro]

"There is scum on this wagon" is not a good enough reason to not lynch someone in multiball. There's scum on the wagon even on a scum lynch, and until we can link a kill flacour with Berlin Undercity there is likely people from 2+ non-town faction players on any wagon regardless of the wagonee's faction. Depending on why we're wagoning, heck even 3 non-town factions could make up a scum lynch wagon.

If you think Lihin's wagon consists of both scum factions, then it's a completely different ball game and I'm all ears.

Also "but he's not around to answer" being a reason behind a wagon dismantle basically encourages lurking in a game that already is suffering from having too much.
Of course we can't force replaceouts and such, but when players themselves declare the willingness to replace out if they fall too far behind and still stick around when they're significantly far behind leads me to hardcore guess that they drew a sick scum power and would love to use it for maximum bang despite not really playing the other parts of the games.

[Titus]

I just don't feel like lynching Lihin.
It seems like a generally solid notion that there are currently scum on his wagon. I'm not sure who, but I don't think they're bussing and/or driving his lynch to kill a scum-buddy.
Plus, he hasn't even put up a fight. He's too much of an easy lynch to be considered a good lynch, and his lack of defense, even after he claimed, seems like a good reason for the scum to step in and take advantage of his situation.
I don't necessarily read lihin as town, but I don't like some of the votes on his wagon. That's why I don't think he's the best option for today.

Lihin's lurking off his wagon. He hasn't posted. No one's saying he's town.

Scum are likely to be on any wagon we do in semi-confirmed multiball. Scum will put lazy votes and bad votes. Players are read independently of who is on the wagon. The only hitch if there's TOO much scum to be town.

The lack of a fight against a wagon is usually indicative of boned scum in multiball moreso than anything else. Instead, counterwagons will be offered, catering to those with suspicions elsewhere.

[Drixx]

Drixx thinks that the fact that He practically begged to be lynched and nobody wanted to lynch him speaks volumes about the Lihin wagon.

[LucianRoy]

You guys sure are a tough bunch.
I'm starting to think we might actually learn a bit from this wagon.

VOTE: Lihin

I guess we'll find out about OC soon enough. Also, some people will be able to be read better depending on this lynch.

[Cuttlefish]

Vote Count 2.07

Lihin (9)

- Cerberus v666, Om of the Nom, Boonskiies, deathfisaro, Oranje Crush, Bulbasaur Commonwealth, Narninian, Drixx, LucianRoy

Oranje Crush (3)

- Toon Fighter, BBmolla, Three-Pronged Trouser God

Drixx (2)

- Titus

VysePresident (2)

- PeregrineV, copper223

copper223 (1)

- VysePresident

Cerberus v666 (1)

- Magua

Boonskiies (1)

- ChriVi

Not Voting (4)

: ActionDan, vonflare, Lihin, Ozgin

With 23 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-02 10:05:14).

Om of the Nom has been prodded.

[God of Power Outlets]

Consider this the intent to jam mine and Toon's vote on Lihin's wagonhole so that Titus could hammer most vigorously.

[ChriVi]

VOTE: Lihin

Magua what the actual fuck are you doing? Your vote is in the wrong place bud.

[copper223]

@Oranje
Finally I can talk about it, take a close look at this: Copper and Pirate Ika scum together and look at what Pirate Ika did D1, then ask yourself if you would have thought they were scum after seeing that in the other game.

You will also find in the same game that they posted a read about Drixx saying he might be town right about the same time they wanted to hammer him here, which I already mentioned, the idea that I would have done that to a teammate is beyond the pall.

You will also see that they bussed me from the start.

P.S.: You are welcome for the carry even if you tricked me here Mollie.

[Oranje Crush]

I'll read that once I'm out school, however I must say copper. Vyse lynch isn't happening today, vote lihin.
Then titus can hammer, he already said he would vote and he's a doublevoter. Refusal to hammer from him would look like chickening out and would be scummy.
(Plus she's already claimed, I doubt we're ever getting another responce from her and right now we just sitting around watching drixx and titus yell at each other and the occasional weak wagon popping up.)
Copper join us.
I really want your vote on lihin to make me less paranoid your her partner, you voting her and her flipping scum will ease that slightly.

[Oranje Crush]

What do you call a fake noodle?

An impasta!

I just needed to say that.

Fuck you

[copper223]

@Oranje
I am not his partner, would you really feel better if I just opportunistically voted here after telling you I have my doubts?

I think the points you made can be applied to other players as well and are not necessarily scum indicative, plus Lihin hasn't been active on the forum since sunday as you can easily check so the fact he hasn't replied yet is not alignment indicative.

If he doesn't have an answer for the point that deathfisaro and Titus made, which I find more convincing, i.e. why didn't he use his ability yesterday on one of the lurkers like PV if he was pro-town as he claimed, then I'll be happy to join.

[Oranje Crush]

No, I'd consider you townier as you vote her and I generally think your her partner and she's scum. Voting her wouldn't be opportunistic, however you thinking about not looking opportunistic makes you look scummier.
Lihin's getting lynched, unless some miracle happens. It would benefit the town most if you are on it.

[VysePresident]

VOTE: Lihin

I'm going to request that we hold off on hammering until I've had a chance to sit down & chat with people about Copper. This is most likely going to be during the weekend, when I have the actual time. I'll be blunt, I'd prefer him to be today's lynch hands-down over Lihin, but if I can't have that, I want him to be tomorrow's. I don't want this to be yet another case where I get NK'd, shoved to the side, and my scumread continues to fool Town the whole way through the game.

I'm not in any frame of mind to write another detailed case on him tonight. I don't like to bring real life into the picture, but I'm currently battling both kinds of depression. Some of this is due to real life annoyances, but a large part of that is from staying up late, a large part of which comes from time spent here. If you'll check, a painfully large number of my posts come in the ridiculous A.M. hours. (I'm working on CST) This particular post is coming in around seven A.M.

What Copper calls 'lurking' is, in fact, me using what little free time I have to focus on the game, and it's starting to come at the expense of my health. I post what I can, but I do not have the time & energy to match him in volume. I really need people to read what I'm saying & consider it for themselves, because I do not have the presence to counter a tunnel myself.

I'm at the point where I was writing wrote an essay almost two to three times this size ranting at Copper & people in general in a way that does not reflect well on me, and then spent another couple of freaking hours pacing off the adrenaline & frustration. It's kind of freaking me out, because I thought I had a handle on my emotional crap when I joined this game. I don't shout & scream. That's not how I play, and I hate that stuff. This is supposed to be a game, and it's not worth getting personal. That said, it's starting to put me in a really toxic place.

I have hopes for this to improve on my end, once I get a chance to rest & recover. I desperately want to finish this game, but if things don't improve, I'm going to have to replace out. I'll let you guys know in the next couple of days.

[VysePresident]

VOTE: Lihin

Magua what are you doing? Your vote is in the wrong place bud.

Also this. Cerberus has been pretty Town since Day #2.

[copper223]

@Vyse
I really hope I am just wrong about you Vyse after 3440 because if you are using your well being outside of game to peddle sympathy from the rest of the playerlist I will think very lowly of you, if it's not a tactic I am sorry to hear about it and I think you shouldn't care much about MS if you have things to deal with in RL, which always comes first. Once you're more relaxed you can come here and have fun, I had similar issues a few weeks ago when trying to play while very stressed and it really showed, I was having no fun and was super snappy.

Back to the game, from where I am sitting you are tunnelling on me much more than I am tunnelling on you, you just FoS me every time you post, as an example you just put Lihin at L-3 and the whole post is about copper...

[Om of the Nom]

@Oranje
I am not his partner, would you really feel better if I just opportunistically voted here after telling you I have my doubts?

yea what is this man can u just get on the wagon instead of being all weird about it

lihin is a great lynch i support 100% hence my vote

[copper223]

@Om
Why are you confident that Lihin is scum?

[VysePresident]

I don't lie about real life, period. It's not alignment indicative. It's not like you can't use the timestamps to confirm I'm being incredibly stupid by being up to answer you at this time (Central Standard Timezone) Honestly though, if you're somehow Town & still deliberately misquoted me to make me look scummy, you have a lot of nerve toying with accusing me of playing low. (Yes, I am pretty irked about that, thank you.)

You're my primary scumread. I think I've been pretty blunt on that. I don't need to work to get people to scumread Lihin, because Orange basically hit everything I was interested in anyway. You're also a much stronger read for me, and I intend to follow through on that, or at least get enough support to prevent you from coasting in the event that I die.

If you want my take on it, Lihin is probably this game's Dodgy. You can ask Wguerts for details, but I caught him out on literally just two quotes here based on reasoning I later hit here.

Her end-day play is very reminiscent of Dodgy's wagon jump, albeit in a calmer, more rational sounding tone. The constant switching, coupled with the tone of having been carefully thinking things through when frankly, she obviously wasn't, is also a red flag.

I don't see the 'Anti-Town' nature of her role-use as being particularly interesting. I don't really believe in scum-tells the way you seem to.

Fun fact: Dodgy accused me of being scummy for not dropping my reasoning immediately. He was scum, and I was right. I also had equal or less activity than I do here.

[VysePresident]

@Vyse
I really hope I am just wrong about you Vyse after 3440 because if you are using your well being outside of game to peddle sympathy from the rest of the playerlist I will think very lowly of you, if it's not a tactic I am sorry to hear about it and I think you shouldn't care much about MS if you have things to deal with in RL, which always comes first. Once you're more relaxed you can come here and have fun, I had similar issues a few weeks ago when trying to play while very stressed and it really showed, I was having no fun and was super snappy.

Back to the game, from where I am sitting you are tunnelling on me much more than I am tunnelling on you, you just FoS me every time you post, as an example you just put Lihin at L-3 and the whole post is about copper...

On a less waspish, out of game note, I do appreciate the concern, even if you did have to put that other bit in there. I don't expect this to last, but I don't want to have to choose between recovering & dealing with a narrative cropping up about me lurking. I already feel like I'm catching up with a mountain every time I post.

[copper223]

@Vyse
I exagerated your points so that people would actually read the walls we were exchanging because nobody else seemed up to it at the time, I did not lie about them.

We can play the: if I am town game as much as you like though because you are completely off with your case on me and some of the interpretations you give about my play are frankly unfair if they are not deliberate misconstructions from scum Vyse, at least from where I am sitting.

[Oranje Crush]

Oi, copper. Remember when I replaced you as you were having a hard time and you were a vengeful. Then I got mod confirmed by accident and had to be mod-killed. Well, vyse is having a hard time right now, back off him for today and once he's recovered we can get back to him. He may be scum (I don't think he is) however he's not todays lynch, lihin is.
You also ow me one for replacing you.
Now vote lihin, lets not harass vyse just now. He'll be easier to read when he's focused and whatever.

[Oranje Crush]

Also dodgy was in that game and the one vyse quoted (I hate to admit being a doctor that literally protected a lynched player because I wasn't focused. The mod didn't even tell me!). I also scum read him and was right.