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[Titus]

Lucian, it's also possible that what we've seen is one night-killing mafia faction and an SK kill on each night, and that the end of day kill yesterday was a day-killing mafia faction's kill. I don't think we have enough information to know for sure one way or the other.

And really, if they had a daykill, no Mason kill?

[Cerberus v666]

Volcano being incinerated seems like a pretty clear redirection, however Narn's power as described would simply cause the kill to fail if he redirected it to a member of the same team from which it originated. The flavor situation can result from a few different things: 1) the action of another redirecting role, 2) a mod mistake, 3) the action of narn who lied about or misunderstood his role or 4) a misunderstanding of which flavor is associated with which faction by town. That's in order of likelihood, and the only one's I actually feel are likely are #1 and #2.

Off the top of my head, the main thing these kills and flips show to me is that bulba is at least not the same faction as vyse, if they are scum Too obvious for them to both be tunneling on copper simultaneously, too easy a connection to draw. Looks like scum adding onto a case made by somebody from another faction(I would say town here normally, but multiball and all).

I'll have further thoughts umm. Monday night? Busy weekend then work. I'll be keeping up via mobile, but I won't be posting much most likely, and I'd like to look into the interactions and votes between all the flipped players so far.

[LucianRoy]

So, who thinks both of these kills were targets from each mafia faction?
At first glance, I'd say BU faction targeted Vyse, and Tropical faction targeted copper, for obviousness implied.
Also, I think it's safe to rule out an SK at this point.
Now that there are two flips, each from the opposite faction, it should be way easier to look back and determine who was doing what, and why.

This is groundbreaking.
I would have never made the connection "Volcano eviscerates" and "Berlin incinerates"

When Narninian comes back it'll be clear if there's a scum bus driver (if so, probably Berlin?) or it was just a successful kill redirect.

Awwww, forgot the kill flavors.
I was going purely of who would kill whom.

[Titus]

@TPTG, Saying you still can be a faction does not mean I am implying you are said faction.

An object than can still be blue does not mean it is not green.

[LucianRoy]

Until Narnian gets here, kill speculation is worthless.

Also not in a hurry to rule out SK given Magua's strange death.

What was the flavour for that?
Nuked from orbit?

[Titus]

Volcano being incinerated seems like a pretty clear redirection, however Narn's power as described would simply cause the kill to fail if he redirected it to a member of the same team from which it originated. The flavor situation can result from a few different things: 1) the action of another redirecting role, 2) a mod mistake, 3) the action of narn who lied about or misunderstood his role or 4) a misunderstanding of which flavor is associated with which faction by town. That's in order of likelihood, and the only one's I actually feel are likely are #1 and #2.

Off the top of my head, the main thing these kills and flips show to me is that bulba is at least not the same faction as vyse, if they are scum Too obvious for them to both be tunneling on copper simultaneously, too easy a connection to draw. Looks like scum adding onto a case made by somebody from another faction(I would say town here normally, but multiball and all).

I'll have further thoughts umm. Monday night? Busy weekend then work. I'll be keeping up via mobile, but I won't be posting much most likely, and I'd like to look into the interactions and votes between all the flipped players so far.

Explain how Narnian cannot redirect to the same team please.

[deathfisaro]

Lucian, it's also possible that what we've seen is one night-killing mafia faction and an SK kill on each night, and that the end of day kill yesterday was a day-killing mafia faction's kill. I don't think we have enough information to know for sure one way or the other.

I can see why you would lean this way given what you claimed. Interesting how you think Berlin is day-killing mafia, instead of delayed kill mafia. Nobody died D1 by getting nuked from orbit.
And Ozgin said he'll gain BP the night his guilty target dies. Day killing mafia had all the reasons to submit Ozgin as the target before night falls. If someone dies at the end of today by getting nuked from orbit, that's simply their night action carried out later.

As much as I enjoy talking about this, I realized it's not getting anywhere until Ozgin and Narninian show up.

pedit:
I'd guess 1,4,3,2 in order of likelihood.

pedit2:
If something's blue, it's not green so stop hedging around and commit to a colour.
He claimed exactly that. ISO gogo.

[LucianRoy]

Lucian, it's also possible that what we've seen is one night-killing mafia faction and an SK kill on each night, and that the end of day kill yesterday was a day-killing mafia faction's kill. I don't think we have enough information to know for sure one way or the other.

I'm just speculating.

[Titus]

@Death,

Yes if something's blue it is not green. But to a blind man, both can be possible. I am not committing to a faction on TPTG.

VOTE: Magua

Note to myself to come back here.

[God of Power Outlets]

@TPTG, Saying you still can be a faction does not mean I am implying you are said faction.

so in other words, you're saying that your statement had no meaning other than to specifically speculate I may be Undercity?


Again, you didn't say "they COULD be Berlin or Volcano." You said, "They could be Berlin."

Not SK.

Not Town.

Not Volcano.

Then you asked me why I contested being Berlin. You don't get to imply that I may be a specific scum faction, then say "Oh, all I said was that it COULD be." Those are called weasel words. Don't spout stuff and then expect not to be called out on it.

[Titus]

On non voting days, I have stated my comments are observations. Period. It's not "weasel words" to type what I think as I think it.

Why are you upset so much? You are a "mason" why not just call me a dumb ass and let it go rather than get into a logic quarrel with me?

[God of Power Outlets]

Because I expect you to display logic in your posts.

Absurd, I know.

[Titus]

I did. You cannot follow. I feel sorry for you.

[Cerberus v666]

Volcano being incinerated seems like a pretty clear redirection, however Narn's power as described would simply cause the kill to fail if he redirected it to a member of the same team from which it originated. The flavor situation can result from a few different things: 1) the action of another redirecting role, 2) a mod mistake, 3) the action of narn who lied about or misunderstood his role or 4) a misunderstanding of which flavor is associated with which faction by town. That's in order of likelihood, and the only one's I actually feel are likely are #1 and #2.

Off the top of my head, the main thing these kills and flips show to me is that bulba is at least not the same faction as vyse, if they are scum Too obvious for them to both be tunneling on copper simultaneously, too easy a connection to draw. Looks like scum adding onto a case made by somebody from another faction(I would say town here normally, but multiball and all).

I'll have further thoughts umm. Monday night? Busy weekend then work. I'll be keeping up via mobile, but I won't be posting much most likely, and I'd like to look into the interactions and votes between all the flipped players so far.

Explain how Narnian cannot redirect to the same team please.

It's back in Narns original claim. I'm mobile, so forgive me if I don't go dig up the quote, been t he said that if he redirected the kill to the same team it originated from, the kill would simply fail.

[God of Power Outlets]

I did. You cannot follow. I feel sorry for you.

earth logic, not moon logic


and for the record, i've been calling you a dumbass for a while in the mason pt


I may have also said that you were overrated as a player if you were town

i'm not saying that i DID say that or that i feel that you are, only that i COULD have said that

[Narninian]

No redirect from me today.

Also my ability fails if I redirect a kill to the same team that made it.

[ActionDan]

No redirect from me today.

forgot to submit?

[ActionDan]

Also I posit the volcano scum janitor was redirected to Vyse. (either Vyse was he or else another member). I suggest that whoever did so claim it though.

[Narninian]

No redirect from me today.

forgot to submit?

no I just didn't target the 2 that died.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Bulbasaur stop fucking walling, it's anti town.

How about you shut up about our what we're doing and do more than complain?

Also, we didn't lynch Oranje because the points on Lihin were decent, or so I believed, at least.

Initial thought: lol that's hilarious
Second thought: wait, what's up with three question marks

Janitor'd kill, most likely. Apparently only powerful enough to hide what Vyse could do.

So, who thinks both of these kills were targets from each mafia faction?
At first glance, I'd say BU faction targeted Vyse, and Tropical faction targeted copper, for obviousness implied.
Also, I think it's safe to rule out an SK at this point.
Now that there are two flips, each from the opposite faction, it should be way easier to look back and determine who was doing what, and why.

Possible. Very likely copper was a shot to remove the tracker from the game. Other shot must've been a PR hunt, I guess.
S'pose
What about "nuked from orbit", then?
Perhaps. I, at least will have to do that when my laptop's back. I do need to see if Bulb wants to restart that Vyse/Drixx/Lucian team he mentioned early on D1.

Second, I am not caring which faction you are on. Why are you attempting to disprove BerlinCity as opposed to both? Today I am sitting back.

...That is a pretty heavy semantical argument. One I don't really buy.

With any hope, at least, I'll have my laptop back by Monday or Tuesday. This'll just tide us over for the weekend since our prod reduction SHOULD be over today, right?

-Ivy

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

I'm also not averse to Oranje. Vote change pending Bulb's thoughts (or Venus's should she appear again...).

Vote: Oranje

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Oranje

[Toon Fighter]

VOTE: Oranje

will read more latter but this is a good vote

[BBmolla]

I kind of think Narn is scum too btw

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

I feel like challenging the status quo today.

Unvote

Vote BBMolla

Let's talk. Granted, I can't guarantee immediate replies, but you can gab at me regardless. Bro, I'd like to talk to you, too. Talk to me about why your slot feels off. Is it just Capcom paranoia, or did I pick up something similar to Mollie's off play? I figure this should keep us busy until Ozgin shows up.

And Molla, the only way I'd accept Narn-scum is if he's scum with you.

-Bulbasaur