We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Toon Fighter]

didn't see your post. forgetting seems fishy, but believable. bah

[Oranje Crush]

Got no new abilities last night.
Don't know who to scum read anymore, after school I'm actually going to look at the Lihin wagon and the Jackal wagon votes. I've been buisy lately, sorry about that.

[Toon Fighter]

Got no new abilities last night.
Don't know who to scum read anymore, after school I'm actually going to look at the Lihin wagon and the Jackal wagon votes. I've been buisy lately, sorry about that.

Did you commute? Or is it time we lynch you?

[Oranje Crush]

Got no new abilities last night.
Don't know who to scum read anymore, after school I'm actually going to look at the Lihin wagon and the Jackal wagon votes. I've been buisy lately, sorry about that.

Did you commute? Or is it time we lynch you?

You're retarded.

[Oranje Crush]

Let's talk. Granted, I can't guarantee immediate replies, but you can gab at me regardless. Bro, I'd like to talk to you, too. Talk to me about why your slot feels off. Is it just Capcom paranoia, or did I pick up something similar to Mollie's off play? I figure this should keep us busy until Ozgin shows up.

My slot feels off because wgeurts is doing most of the posting. Paranoia from Capcom is likely, although it's kind of funny you bring that up b/c I feel my play here in terms of attitude, posting cadence, intentionality, etc is the exact opposite as that game.

[Oranje Crush]

Also, Ozgin, what were your results tonight? And where are you?

Wow.

Can you read.

[Drixx]

Wow this ground to a halt fast when Copper got killed. Now isn't the time for you to go quiet Titus. This game needs a couple of us to pick it up and get it moving. I expected to have pages and pages to catch up on and there was like maybe 5% of what I expected when I refreshed.

[Toon Fighter]

Also, Ozgin, what were your results tonight? And where are you?

Wow.

Can you read.

I read afterwards you fucking scum. Can't you read?

And, were your claim true, maybe you'd get abilities when you commuted. If you were town, you'd claim that. Why are you calling me reatrded, scum?

[Cerberus v666]

Wow this ground to a halt fast when Copper got killed. Now isn't the time for you to go quiet Titus. This game needs a couple of us to pick it up and get it moving. I expected to have pages and pages to catch up on and there was like maybe 5% of what I expected when I refreshed.

And that is likely why copper died. That, plus dead investigator who gets stronger as the game goes on.

[Toon Fighter]

Wow this ground to a halt fast when Copper got killed. Now isn't the time for you to go quiet Titus. This game needs a couple of us to pick it up and get it moving. I expected to have pages and pages to catch up on and there was like maybe 5% of what I expected when I refreshed.

Yeah what gives? I wanted this game to break every size record in the site!

[wgeurts]

Vote Count 2.09

Lihin (13)

- Cerberus v666, Om of the Nom, Boonskiies, deathfisaro, Oranje Crush, Bulbasaur Commonwealth, Narninian, Drixx, LucianRoy, ChriVi,

VysePresident,

Ozgin, Toon Fighter

Oranje Crush (2)

- BBmolla, Three-Pronged Trouser God

Drixx (2)

- Titus

VysePresident (2)

- PeregrineV,

copper223

Cerberus v666 (1)

-

Magua

Not Voting (3)

: ActionDan, vonflare, Lihin

With 23 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-02 10:05:14).

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Lihin

-

Town Double Day Foreman

- Lynched day two.

Magua

-

Town Forgetful Watcher

- Nuked from orbit day two.

It is now twilight. Twilight deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-27 09:32:32). Please submit your night actions now if you have them.

Day two begins in (expired on 2015-03-28 09:32:32).

Vote Count 1.17

Jackel98 (13)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth, BBmolla, Ozgin,

Magua,

Lihin,

copper223,

Om of the Nom, Drixx,

Marquis,

LucianRoy, Oranje Crush,

VysePresident,

Cerberus v666

PeregrineV (6)

- ActionDan, vonflare,

Jackel98,

Pirate Ika,

deathfisaro, Narninian

Drixx (2)

- Toon Fighter, Boonskiies

BBmolla (1)

- ChriVi

ActionDan (1)

- PeregrineV

Titus (0)

- Titus

Not Voting (1)

: Three-Pronged Trouser God

With 24 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34).

Mod - According to your rulesheet, does a non-majority lynch at deadline lead to a no-lynch? (Aka if the majority wagon is at 9 at DL, will that be a lynch or a no-lynch?)

Yes, you need 13 votes or there will be a no-lynch.

PerV isn't in one of the two scum factions, he was voted by ika and he voted vyse. This makes him likely town besides third-party, I doubt they bussed.
Now to compare wagons and look at votes

[Toon Fighter]

will ignore any post where you don't use your hydra account sorry

[Oranje Crush]

Vote Count 2.09

Lihin (13)

- Cerberus v666, Om of the Nom, Boonskiies, deathfisaro, Oranje Crush, Bulbasaur Commonwealth, Narninian, Drixx, LucianRoy, ChriVi,

VysePresident,

Ozgin, Toon Fighter

Oranje Crush (2)

- BBmolla, Three-Pronged Trouser God

Drixx (2)

- Titus

VysePresident (2)

- PeregrineV,

copper223

Cerberus v666 (1)

-

Magua

Not Voting (3)

: ActionDan, vonflare, Lihin

With 23 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-02 10:05:14).

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Lihin

-

Town Double Day Foreman

- Lynched day two.

Magua

-

Town Forgetful Watcher

- Nuked from orbit day two.

It is now twilight. Twilight deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-27 09:32:32). Please submit your night actions now if you have them.

Day two begins in (expired on 2015-03-28 09:32:32).

Vote Count 1.17

Jackel98 (13)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth, BBmolla, Ozgin,

Magua,

Lihin,

copper223,

Om of the Nom, Drixx,

Marquis,

LucianRoy, Oranje Crush,

VysePresident,

Cerberus v666

PeregrineV (6)

- ActionDan, vonflare,

Jackel98,

Pirate Ika,

deathfisaro, Narninian

Drixx (2)

- Toon Fighter, Boonskiies

BBmolla (1)

- ChriVi

ActionDan (1)

- PeregrineV

Titus (0)

- Titus

Not Voting (1)

: Three-Pronged Trouser God

With 24 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34).

Mod - According to your rulesheet, does a non-majority lynch at deadline lead to a no-lynch? (Aka if the majority wagon is at 9 at DL, will that be a lynch or a no-lynch?)

Yes, you need 13 votes or there will be a no-lynch.

PerV isn't in one of the two scum factions, he was voted by ika and he voted vyse. This makes him likely town besides third-party, I doubt they bussed.
Now to compare wagons and look at votes

Vote Count 2.09

Lihin (13)

-

Cerberus v666, Om of the Nom,

Boonskiies, deathfisaro,

Oranje Crush,

Bulbasaur Commonwealth,

Narninian, Drixx,

LucianRoy,

ChriVi,

VysePresident,

Ozgin,

Toon Fighter

Oranje Crush (2)

- BBmolla, Three-Pronged Trouser God

Drixx (2)

- Titus

VysePresident (2)

- PeregrineV,

copper223

Cerberus v666 (1)

-

Magua

Not Voting (3)

: ActionDan, vonflare, Lihin

With 23 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-02 10:05:14).[/color]

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Lihin

-

Town Double Day Foreman

- Lynched day two.

Magua

-

Town Forgetful Watcher

- Nuked from orbit day two.

It is now twilight. Twilight deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-27 09:32:32). Please submit your night actions now if you have them.

Day two begins in (expired on 2015-03-28 09:32:32).

Vote Count 1.17

Jackel98 (13)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth, BBmolla, Ozgin,

Magua,

Lihin,

copper223,

Om of the Nom, Drixx,

Marquis,

LucianRoy, Oranje Crush,

VysePresident,

Cerberus v666

PeregrineV (6)

- ActionDan, vonflare,

Jackel98,

Pirate Ika,

deathfisaro, Narninian

Drixx (2)

- Toon Fighter, Boonskiies

BBmolla (1)

- ChriVi

ActionDan (1)

- PeregrineV

Titus (0)

- Titus

Not Voting (1)

: Three-Pronged Trouser God

With 24 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34).[/color]

Mod - According to your rulesheet, does a non-majority lynch at deadline lead to a no-lynch? (Aka if the majority wagon is at 9 at DL, will that be a lynch or a no-lynch?)

Yes, you need 13 votes or there will be a no-lynch.

The blue peeps were on both lynch wagons and haven't yet died.

[God of Power Outlets]

We shall appreciate more Oranje votes. Fight the good fight!

Alternatively if OC doesn't wet your fancy deathfisaro is also hilariously scum.

We'll accept either lynch today.

[Toon Fighter]

Oh, OranjeScum, now that Town!Lihin is dead, who is obvscum in your eyes?

[God of Power Outlets]

Like, two lynches does not a good VCA make, and anyone who lives by it (like Titus) knows this. OC is just desperately trying to grab any sort of town cred he can by doing as much work in-thread as he possibly can, even if the work is tedious at best. There is no discussion of what this VCA means. Just that "oh these players mislynched twice are at still alive". Asstute observation. I give it a D+.

I mean, I an infer a few things based on those vote counts, but that seems to be beyond OC right now...

[Drixx]

I find myself agreeing with TPTG completely. I think it's time to read OC in ISO and context and see if there's a proper scum case there. It's about time I unleashed my scumhunting beast. I keep it in my trousers for just such occasions.

[Drixx]

Also, I'm really really irritated that Copper is dead. I quite enjoy playing with him and I learn a lot from him every game, so whomever deprived me of the opportunity to learn more from him is gonna face the wrath of Kha.... erm... Drixx!

[vonflare]

Let's talk. Granted, I can't guarantee immediate replies, but you can gab at me regardless. Bro, I'd like to talk to you, too. Talk to me about why your slot feels off. Is it just Capcom paranoia, or did I pick up something similar to Mollie's off play? I figure this should keep us busy until Ozgin shows up.

My slot feels off because wgeurts is doing most of the posting. Paranoia from Capcom is likely, although it's kind of funny you bring that up b/c I feel my play here in terms of attitude, posting cadence, intentionality, etc is the exact opposite as that game.

Excuses and self-meta

VOTE: oranje

[Oranje Crush]

Spoiler: Votes

Unvote

Nice.

Vote: Lihin

OC has convinced me that he shouldn't necessarily be lynched immediately, and the role may be balanced by the need to remain in town in order to use his other abilities, whenever he gets them, and Lihin definitely seems pretty scummy.

Using Molla's power today is a bad idea. It wastes the BP from the cop (which probably shouldn't have been revealed, since a guilty claim alone is enough reason to kill someone, but what's done is done). It's better to structure things so we can get one more guaranteed investigation result before we do a night skip and double lynch.

I need to look back over the first day in light of the new information, I can't guarantee that it will be done quickly though. Till then Lihin seems like a good choice. I'd also vote for vonflare or copper.

hmm. ugh.

Vote: Jackel

im here now
VOTE: lihin

fine
VOTE: Jackel

Are we voting Lihin?

VOTE: Lihin

Oranje: if Lihin flips scum, you would very likely be seen as not the same faction as Lihin as you are initiating a hard push but how were you proven not in the same faction as Pika? If anyone, it was Ozgin.

As for Lihin and PV, I don't know why they are still in the game. Let's draw them out.
VOTE: Lihin

Vote: Jackel

Thought the wagon dismantled more than it did.

(I will preface this post by saying that I AM up to the most recent page (129, I think), but I going to try and write this as if I am not so that any of my comments pre-argument aren't colored by it)

Not a fan of either wagon atm. I only see cooper scum if Drixx is also scum.

If copper's scum I'd be more inclined to think Drixx-town, honestly.

@Lucian, should I become Double Trouble with my sister and make two siblings in a single slot? Remind me who the masons and neighbors are please

So long as she's not shooting the moon as much as you do...

Really, Ozgin claims guilty with seven alive. Who cares, Brantz won.

Didn't cuttle say that Brantz leaving wouldn't affect the lynch threshold, or was that just player spec?

@Titus
I think Drixx mentioned that PIka was a doublevoter and Bulbasaur picked it up, in Ivy's ongoing effort to buddy up with Drixx as hard as possible, from what I have seen there is no indication of that as the pirates vote on Ozgin was a single vote, Drixx later corrected himself.

Pika flipped (Temp) DV RB, though I also mentioned that we don't know if they used their DV, and now if we even know the conditions for it.

This is the post before Drixx started babbling nonsense about doublevoters and asking people to selfvote.

Look who is voted.

Lihin.

Lihin + Drixx.

They are buddies.

Ohey, there's the thing about the threshold not lowering for player removal. So BRantz can't influence any LYLO situation.

Anyways, this seems weird. Sure, it's possible that Drixx is bussing Lihin and jumps on the DV business to have the excuse of dismantling the wagon, but why would Drixx wait until Lihin had all of these votes to start pushing it? Why not while Lihin only had 3-5 votes (and even by then the desire to wagon Lihin was there IIRC so it's not a case of "Oh crap this wagon is really gonna take off, better dismantle it somehow!")

Based on the VCs, there's zero foundation for any double voters, much less multiples. Pika votes Ozgin and its one vote.

Did PIka have two votes yesterday?

I think Bulbasaur is the most likely scum with the pirates, I'll give an in-depth case after the next vote count to satisfy Drixx's request.

I also don't like how Om has dropped off the map after getting FoSed yesterday, leaning more and more scum there, another player that has done nothing and said his usual spiel about not being able to read Copper, something I believe is true for him but also something he only said in the games he was mafia with me as town, is Boon.

I also think we shouldn't just consider the masons and the neighboors as confirmed, I can't escape the notion that if we had a neighborhood day cop that got doublestacked it's likely some of the scum is hiding in the neighborhoods and the number of investigatives and town PR's is getting a bit too unbalanced for my taste, the scummiest player there is Cerberus.

Correlation of two players relying on each other to confirm playstyle idiosyncrasies and the strength of individual players in the hydras does not mean causation of two players on the same team. Or on opposite teams and unintentionally buddying each other. I have a feeling that you're going to use some of that portion of the game in your case, though I'm honestly not sure what you're going to use.

I DO agree with what you've said about Om, though. But...not Re: masons. If one of them isn't dead by tomorrow I'll consider it. Neighborhood is more plausible, but again, Cerb is very well aware that Marquis dying the very day after he all but confirmed he'd be copping Cerb does

very

little for Cerb-scum in the towncred (or even survival-cred) dept.


So, reached Drixx V. Titus. I'm reasonably convinced that Titus is town, but I'm not convinced that Drixx is scum trying to dismantle the wagon. If Lihin filps scum I'd be willing to entertain the notion, but not beforehand.

Also, Death's 3125 is a good post on Lihin. If you don't trust OC, you should probly trust that.

wake me up when it's time for me to get a murder-boner again

If you aren't voting Lihin, there's murder-boner-inducing things in that direction.

Oh and to 3132 for anyone caring to notice Drixx says "my wincon". That's another reason he needs to die.

This is just dumb.

I have been reviewing the Pirate Ika posts, which is the only real indicator we have and what most of our efforts should focus on, and based on the reads they give I think it's actually less likely that the commonwealth is scum, at least Pirate Ika believes them to be town I think.

Wait, so you thought I was scum with Pika before you checked(presumably due to how our slots were townreading the other, idk here since you haven't actually stated anything on this avenue), and now you think we're at least not-likely-scum based on those same things? What gives?

There was no reason to believe my treestump claim was BS yesterday. None at all. You had to try to fish me or get me lynched to win.

Drixx was saying that

BECAUSE

he had no reason to believe it was BS he was paranoid. So he believed you fully.

Honestly, the only wagon of the day that's worth a darn is Lihin's. Copper would be ideal. Bulbasaur is probably still acceptable.

Wait a second, I thought you accepted Bulb's explanation of his read progression on you. What changed?

@Vyse
It's nice to see that everything that has happened today is irrelevant for your read of me and that you are quoting a scumread of yours, namely Bulbasaur, in lieu of your own words, because they apparently express better than you do why you think I am scum.

You remember that quote of mine that went something like this: "Even scumreads or scum players make good points" (aka Strawman has a Point)?

What other reads do you have Vyse that don't include your arthritic quotes and misreps I had to read at the end of D1 once already?

*COUGHCOUGHPOTMEETKETTLECOUGHCOUGH*

Yeah, that was the stupidest tell I've ever seen.
Night kills aren't taboo. People are supposed to talk about, not avoid them.

You're...missing the point of the tell, Lucian. It's not that you talk about the NKs, it's

How

you talk about them.

Also, I'm not at all convinced that this distracts or distracted from Lihin. MAYBE temporarily (as in within the span of a couple days) as the idea was bandied about, but I doubt that the wagon on Lihin would've completely dismantled.

Speaking of the lack of dismantling, lemme build it up further!

Vote: Lihin

P-EDIT: Titus...

so... I didn't realize what the hubub about lihin was about so I did an ISO --- and there isn't much to work with.
The role seems like it would help scum more than anything, and the posts are just not there.
.

VOTE: Lihin

Narninian makes a good point. I am going to make a prediction and then just continue playing. I will

not

be engaging with Titus and her "lynch-on", because my desire to stop being negative utility for town is rational and sincere and legit.

Prediction: There was a strong case made against Lihin which pre-dates the situation that arose last night. It therefore seems that Lihin has a higher than usual probability of being scum (although in multi-ball setups, a lot of people voting someone doesn't necessarily represent quite so many townies as it might in a single scum team setup). Since Titus has posited that I started asking questions about the vote number oddity as a way to save Lihin from being lynched, I predict that if Lihin flips scum, then I will be back to a huge distraction tomorrow. Even Lihin flipping town isn't likely to stop Titus dragging me through the dust and kicking up a distraction again.

The whole point of asking to just settle the question of my alignment sooner than later was to keep scum from having the rest of this day phase and all of tomorrow's day phase to hide behind the back and forth about whether to lynch me. I suppose we'll see if my prediction is accurate or not.

Unvote

VOTE: Lihin {Please note I had previously voted for Lihin and you can look in my ISO for what I said at that time}

Oooohhhhhh.
Slippery.

Dang.
VOTE: Lihin

Ok OC.

You guys sure are a tough bunch.
I'm starting to think we might actually learn a bit from this wagon.

VOTE: Lihin

I guess we'll find out about OC soon enough. Also, some people will be able to be read better depending on this lynch.

Dear god, read the posts between these votes. I may make a case on Lucian in a second, first I'll continue collecting all votes so I can analyse them.

Jackel is probably better than Pv, even though I feel like both would be probable mislynchs.
VOTE: Jackel

VOTE: Lihin

Magua what the actual fuck are you doing? Your vote is in the wrong place bud.

meh. I've done worse hammers.

unvote, vote: Lihin

[vonflare]

So he only votes lihin and jackel.

Point?

[vonflare]

Wait nvm I thought all the quotes were from one person.

[Oranje Crush]

Eh, TPTG.
I'm looking at who voted an why. Vote analysis isn't strong with so little, I agree, however it can be used to find evidence however little. I was going off Lihin being scum and I admit I tunnelled her. Yet I'm being given the blame of the whole wagon, what about the people that shamelessly sheeped me?
I'm looking for those people right now as it's almost 100% there's scum on that wagon. I doubt there was an all minus 1 (Vyse) town mis-lynch.

[Oranje Crush]

So he only votes lihin and jackel.

Point?

You are scummy as heck now, you're a literally just trying to find bloody reasons to join the others and vote me.
I'M FUCKING TOWN YOU IDIOTS.
CAN'T YOU SEE FROM POSTS LIKE THIS THAT I'M BEING SETUP FOR A LYNCH?

[Oranje Crush]

Actually VOTE: Vonflare
That post just reveals it all.