Corpse Party Mafia [WRONG END]

[Ankamius]

I misread that point, never mind.

[Mikazuki]

His defense of me didn't bother me

I'll just remind you flames's defense didn't bother you either at first.

You SHOULD be alarmed when someone defends you when the majority seems to find you suspicious.

~Wis

He was defending me because of WP's thing about my formatting. That was complete bs, whereas Flames' defense was on me making 'excuses', which you guys had at least a little bit of a basis for arguing against. (Does that make sense kinda?)

I am a little alarmed of his defense of lufan though, so don't worry.

[White Narcissus]

Fine, I'll give you that. I also felt like pointing out WP's point was bullshit when I was reading it.

~Wis

[Ankamius]

I find it pretty interesting that you're putting so much emphasis in trying to get a read on lufan but you're supporting the lynch for policy reasons anyway, though.

[Mikazuki]

Fine, I'll give you that. I also felt like pointing out WP's point was bullshit when I was reading it.

~Wis

Yup, exactly. There you go

[Mikazuki]

I find it pretty interesting that you're putting so much emphasis in trying to get a read on lufan but you're supporting the lynch for policy reasons anyway, though.

Why would I not try to get a read on someone I'm willing to policy lynch?

[Thor and Loki]

NO MIKAZUKI NO

[Mikazuki]

What?

[Thor and Loki]

His defense of me didn't bother me

I'll just remind you flames's defense didn't bother you either at first.

You SHOULD be alarmed when someone defends you when the majority seems to find you suspicious.

~Wis

He was defending me because of WP's thing about my formatting. That was complete bs, whereas Flames' defense was on me making 'excuses', which you guys had at least a little bit of a basis for arguing against. (Does that make sense kinda?)

I am a little alarmed of his defense of lufan though, so don't worry.

Where is his defense of lufan unreasonable? There's nowhere he says "I have an immovable town read on lufan at this point in time based on his bastion of townposting we peasants call ISIs", he says he has a leaning town read on lufan because vague gut reasons. He doesn't believe a majority of the cases against him are compelling, which is again reasonable, because they aren't.

[Zymf]

Unless we have a good reason to suspect him

Assume lufan flips scum. How would that make you feel about zelink's defense of lufan in 360?

~Wis

Hmm... First of all we should wait and see if lufan really is scum before we dwell to deep into this.

But if he really is scum, I quess it would make zelink a little suspicious.
He uses the phrasing "Though it's not so strong a feeling that I would defend him very hard."
This indicates that he is at least aware off how much he is or isn't defending lufan.

It's not unnatural for a townie to use this phrasing, but I think it's more likely for someone who is trying to defend their scum-body to use it.

[Mikazuki]

Did I not already explain this? The last time someone defended me out of 'the goodness of their heart' (especially without a solid town read) from a case that was fairly reasonable and backed by quite a few people, they turned out to be scum.

[Thor and Loki]

Did I not already explain this? The last time someone defended me out of 'the goodness of their heart' (especially without a solid town read) from a case that was fairly reasonable and backed by quite a few people, they turned out to be scum.

Were you town?

[Mikazuki]

Yes.

[White Narcissus]

yeah, that's my worry as well. The difference from the Flames scenario is that lufan is scum while you were town. That's why I inserted the Sachiko theory in the.mix. Another theory is that Zelink is third party and therefore isn't aligned with lufan.

~Wis

[Mikazuki]

yeah, that's my worry as well. The difference from the Flames scenario is that lufan is scum while you were town. That's why I inserted the Sachiko theory in the.mix. Another theory is that Zelink is third party and therefore isn't aligned with lufan.

~Wis

Yeah I did think about that before. That's why I'm still trying to figure out what the hell to think of lufan, my read on Zelink could chance depending on that.

[Thor and Loki]

Just because someone is bucking against groupthink doesn't automatically make them scummy. In this case, the push against lufan is reasonable enough, but the defense is just as reasonable and just as valid. Its possible he saw the unread symbol in the PT and decided to snoop around without really expecting to see anything and just saw that. it's possible he clicked on the private topic forum in order to see his scumtopic and stumbled upon it there. Neither of these situations are more likely than the other. Arguing either side isn't really scummy.

[White Narcissus]

Huh, I just went and checked to be sure, but, I marked all topics as read on the PT and Completed sections of that subforum, and even then I see the same gold bullet marker on it (the same i see on the other forums where i do actually have unread topics) so I don't think that's how he got there
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Nacho, the defense I'm talking about is not the current one, it's the one when the wagon started to build, namely 360.

~Wis

[Thor and Loki]

Disagreeing with something the majority of the town finds reasonable is additionally not scummy: it's far more scummy just to follow along.

[Ankamius]

I find it pretty interesting that you're putting so much emphasis in trying to get a read on lufan but you're supporting the lynch for policy reasons anyway, though.

Why would I not try to get a read on someone I'm willing to policy lynch?

You post stuff that indicates a shift towards scumreading. I can't find a single point in the other direction that you also indicate that you believe in.

Yet despite that, you're pushing it because of policy. Now that I'm thinking of it, what exactly is the policy reason?

[Thor and Loki]

Huh, I just went and checked to be sure, but, I marked all topics as read on the PT and Completed sections of that subforum, and even then I see the same gold bullet marker on it (the same i see on the other forums where i do actually have unread topics) so I don't think that's how he got there
~Sakura

It's still the unread symbol, which is the part that counts.

[SXTLHGaiden]

Huh, I just went and checked to be sure, but, I marked all topics as read on the PT and Completed sections of that subforum, and even then I see the same gold bullet marker on it (the same i see on the other forums where i do actually have unread topics) so I don't think that's how he got there
~Sakura

you can check "mark topics read" and "mark subforums read" and it stops being gold.

[White Narcissus]

Oh wait, nevermind i had to click on that too in the PT section, tho this means that new posts towards any PT regardless of having access to it or not will show an unread marker then...
~Sakura

[Shadowcat]

Huntress's push on Zymf seems a bit lacking for someone who believes they caught a scumclaim. Other content is pretty decently lacking, it doesn't excite me in any special way and her trend towards lufan seems like just going with the flow.

That would be because I'm not actually pushing Zymf for now. I was more or less satisfied with the responses on that so have put it on the back burner for the moment.

Lufan ignored my question to him so I needed to follow that up and after looking at it myself I agreed with the the point about the PT. My other scum reads defending him adds to the suspicion there.

[Thor and Loki]

I don't really think he's scum. I liked #288, actually. Not in the sense of agreeing with it, but in the sense that I think it's more likely to have come from town than scum. I also didn't really mind his second post.

Though it's not so strong a feeling that I would defend him very hard. The content is rather light, but what little is there doesn't give me bad vibes.

I don't see anything wrong with this as an early read. I really don't see why it's unreasonable to disagree with your push at that point.