White Flag Mafia [TM2015] (Game Over)

[Psyche]

that was definitely my most tenuous clump and i am impressed that you noticed it

[TellTaleHeart]

83 - Ika, if you think scum is voting you, you should probably do something about that.

like what? i dont want to ruin slayers gambit (cus come on white flag is like the best place to try shit like that)

Why would the set up lend itself to Slayer's gambit?

[ika]

83 - Ika, if you think scum is voting you, you should probably do something about that.

like what? i dont want to ruin slayers gambit (cus come on white flag is like the best place to try shit like that)

Why would the set up lend itself to Slayer's gambit?

If i told you darling it would ruin the secret.

[TellTaleHeart]

that was definitely my most tenuous clump and i am impressed that you noticed it

You're impressed that I read your post? :S

[TellTaleHeart]

ika, you kind of already subverted the gambit by saying it so let's not pretend there's some deep dark secret here, 'kay?

[Psyche]

i tried explaining it but i think i will just reiterate that it's pretty esoteric to me
i'm not saying that they're in the same team or anything
they just have the same place in my head when i think about them and this game

You're impressed that I read your post? :S

you know a little less about what the clumps mean than i do but we both homed in on the same tension

i really do apologize for making the clumps now though it's pretty close to meaningless

[TellTaleHeart]

you know a little less about what the clumps mean than i do but we both homed in on the same tension

Considering Regfan is voting elk, it's not that much of a cognitive leap.

[Llamarble]

the meta changes nothing

i understand the virtue of Llamarble and CES's early game procedure
but at the moment it all seems rather mechanical
there's nothing to read in it

tth is more town than scum for following up on my gasp

ika is so ika and i'm very unhappy about that but ambivalent about the thing that matters

aero, oversoul, zach are all in the same bunch in my head
reg and elk in another
llamarble and ces in a third

someone will ask what the bunches mean!
please know that i'm not sure
none are quite town or scumreads, though

Honestly the way you're processing the game sounds like scum figuring out what everyone is doing so they can decide how to play rather than town figuring out who is scum.

VOTE: Psyche

[ika]

ika, you kind of already subverted the gambit by saying it so let's not pretend there's some deep dark secret here, 'kay?

But there is TTH.

But lets be real here: whats your read list right now? cus im already disapoint form you

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.04

BlueBloodedToffee (2) - Psyche, Zachrulez
ika (2) - Aeronaut, Cheery Dog
Psyche (2) - TellTaleHeart, Llamarble
theelkspeaks (2) - Regfan, BlueBloodedToffee
Cheery Dog (1) - Cogito Ergo Sum
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - Ankamius
Oversoul (1) - theelkspeaks
Zachrulez (1) - Oversoul

Not Voting (1) - ika

With 13 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

The deadline is Monday, April 13, 2015, at 9:00 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-04-13 21:00:00).

[Psyche]

i don't really understand what you mean by that llama

[theelkspeaks]

Might just be a playstyle thing, might be from playing on another (non-mafia but having mafia games) site with different rules and a meta resulting from that, but I tend to think a quickly building wagon without a solid case, especially at the start of an early day, probably has at least one scum. Don't have good rules for identifying which of the votes is the scum though.

Why would you need rules? Can't you just look at the votes and see if any of them seem off or scummy (e.g. Cheery Dog or from your perspective maybe Bluetoffee)?

but neither Regfan nor CES has towned very hard yet.

Were you expecting us to?

What I mean by not having rules is that I don't have a fixed method (3rd vote, 4th vote, etc. is always scum) but rather have to look at the individual votes.

64 - Correct Psyche, I was more interested in trying to get you to join the ika wagon.

67 - I just know you're gonna elaborate on this, Zach.

68 - This post is pretty bad by elk. Who is suspicious on the ika wagon? Why?

If you don't like the wagon, why are not inquiring about the people on it?

VOTE: Elk

83 - Ika, if you think scum is voting you, you should probably do something about that.

I feel like the wagon itself grew suspiciously fast but I'm still trying to figure out who was responsible for it.



As for the meta/gamerules thing, what I meant is that I play some mafia on elementscommunity (a non-mafia site with some mafia games), which has 72 hour days, plurality lynches, lynches being finalized at deadline and not whenever a player reaches majority, and significant player tendency to pile on players who are already getting lynched. This play may have made me overly suspicious of fast wagons, so I think that oversoul's attempt to start token WIFOM is worse (since knowledge of my own biases against early wagons makes me hesitant to dive too hard into that wagon, at least for now).

[ika]

hey elk, how about instead of pointless banter you give out a read list

[Llamarble]

i don't really understand what you mean by that llama

Town usually go depth-first and put some time into analyzing one player, then another. Scum focus on understanding the game as a whole so they can make sure the day doesn't head down a path that will hurt them.

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: Elk

Serious Vote.

[theelkspeaks]

i don't really understand what you mean by that llama

Town usually go depth-first and put some time into analyzing one player, then another. Scum focus on understanding the game as a whole so they can make sure the day doesn't head down a path that will hurt them.

I actually disagree with that. As town, I find I need to understand where the game as a whole is going before I can see who looks scummy. As scum, I'd prefer to try to see how far I can push a player than to understand the game as a whole.

[Llamarble]

Elk, what is your opinion of Cheery Dog? Also, why would an analysis of the votes for ika take a long time? There are like 100 posts in this thread and only 4 votes for ika.

[theelkspeaks]

Elk, what is your opinion of Cheery Dog? Also, why would an analysis of the votes for ika take a long time? There are like 100 posts in this thread and only 4 votes for ika.

Getting to Cheery in a second, but the problem with the ika votes is that none of them look especially bad to me, so I'm considering the ika-voting players more closely and trying to get more to read them on.

[Llamarble]

I actually disagree with that. As town, I find I need to understand where the game as a whole is going before I can see who looks scummy. As scum, I'd prefer to try to see how far I can push a player than to understand the game as a whole.

Can you link me a game where you did this as scum?

[theelkspeaks]

Cheery:

ISO #s
0) standard RVS, nothing special
1) calls reads good that include a scum-read on him. Kinda awkward, maybe trying too hard to be town (scum would never agree with a read on them, would they? is the logic he's hoping for if he is scum)
2) contributes to token WIFOM but others let the cat out of the bag first. not great but not terrible.
3) denounces token WIFOM somewhat. Last sentence makes no sense to me.

Kinda lacking in content overall but nothing that triggers my scumdar besides the aforementioned mild lack of content.

[Oversoul]

I think Llama is town.
I think TTH is probably town.
Zach is town. I hope. I hope I can do what we did last time.

VOTE: Psyche

[Psyche]

i don't really understand what you mean by that llama

Town usually go depth-first and put some time into analyzing one player, then another. Scum focus on understanding the game as a whole so they can make sure the day doesn't head down a path that will hurt them.

that's pretty close to my first guess
but i'm not the first person in the game to take a panorama shot
so i thought there was more to it

[theelkspeaks]

I actually disagree with that. As town, I find I need to understand where the game as a whole is going before I can see who looks scummy. As scum, I'd prefer to try to see how far I can push a player than to understand the game as a whole.

Can you link me a game where you did this as scum?

As far as I remember I'm yet to roll scum on this site.

Offsite, http://elementscommunity.org/forum/foru ... ngaia/144/, especially posts 152 and 156, which despite not looking like huge pushes to a player from here were two of the bigger pushes in that game.

[Psyche]

oh hey
the exclamation points are gone

[ika]

i love how elk ignored my post