Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Titus]

I thought you were but I cannot find you even mentioning him in your ISO.

I will take my dunce cap and sit over here now.

[DeasVail]

I've decided I'm going to sass this entire game.

This would be quite excellent.

It's not conftown but I feel really good about Bulba.

How do you explain his ultra-weird post to me where he tells me I'm indecisive, lost and townreading people because they buddied me when none of this is true?

I do perceive some buddying with you, from Marquis and then UT. Can't Tell if Marquis is actually buddying or not because of the exclamation points fogging that up. You commented on UT yourself a little.

So I don't see that post as wierd just a disagreement about perceptions.

We do tend to like people who like us, so the alarm isn't wierd.

That's the one thing in his post that's partially true, and even with that I think I have a pretty objective reason for townreading Marquis and even the less objective part is a personal enjoyment of his posts rather than him buddying me. (And I'm pretty sure UT and I have never buddied each other)

This thing about Marquis wouldn't be a concern to me by itself. It's not a huge leap to think I'm townreading Marquis because he's buddying me. But you've kind of ignored all the other stuff which is even less substantiated imo.

[Untrod Tripod]

I thought you were but I cannot find you even mentioning him in your ISO.

I will take my dunce cap and sit over here now.

let's find it though so you can add the target to your spreadsheet of interactions

[Titus]

Hey Titus. Quick question.

Why is buddying of any importance when there has been no flip yet?

Because we like people who like us. So scum can buddy by being likable.

@DV, What am I ingoring?

[fferyllt]

TSO, I asked you to read my posts because I felt you were misunderstanding me and I was repeating myself.

You think I lie for no reason???

The booze is for me tonight to try to make sense of this.

@DV, He asks questions, follows through on the answers and articulates his positions well. This is town Bulba.

That sounds like null bulba. Pls don't declare things that aren't true.

hella yeah this game is gonna be easy.

Not in my experience.

Nah, scum Bulba is a lurksack who has trouble faking the same consistency of thought with tone.

[Titus]

I thought you were but I cannot find you even mentioning him in your ISO.

I will take my dunce cap and sit over here now.

let's find it though so you can add the target to your spreadsheet of interactions

I just said it does not exist.

You want me to find something that does not exist...

To put it in a spreadsheet...that does not exist...

[Titus]

Ffery your response got cut off.

[Espeonage]

Hey Titus. Quick question.

Why is buddying of any importance when there has been no flip yet?

Because we like people who like us. So scum can buddy by being likable.

@DV, What am I ingoring?

Town can also buddy so shit gets done. Come back after a flip.

pedit: LOL

[fferyllt]

ergh not in my experience. though most of my experience with scum bulba is multiball.

[Tammy]

Hi espy.

I'm the queen of sass, please don't try to take my crown.

Do me a favor? Read zar and tell me what you think?

[Espeonage]

I thought you were but I cannot find you even mentioning him in your ISO.

I will take my dunce cap and sit over here now.

let's find it though so you can add the target to your spreadsheet of interactions

I just said it does not exist.

You want me to find something that does not exist...

To put it in a spreadsheet...that does not exist...

Yes.

-.-

[Espeonage]

Hi espy.

I'm the queen of sass, please don't try to take my crown.

Do me a favor? Read zar and tell me what you think?

I have about ten minutes until I have to get ready and head in to uni, I will not have time until I get back.

dw I did see the wagon and it was on my todo list.

Also not taking your crown, but it's important to walk in an SO's shoes so that the bonds between you get tighter.

[DeasVail]

Titus, here are the posts (although I sort of treat them as one post) that especially concern me about Bulbazak. I asked you for your explanation of the things that concern me, which I've bolded here.

Spoiler: Bulb's posts

Why should I not be giving bane to UT?

I'm really not seeing the point in giving it to UT. I agree that those early posts seemed off, but not in the way that the body of Cheetory or Zar does. For me, UT is a "wait and see" read, while the others are full fledge scum reads, hence why I want to bane them. Maybe you're seeing something that I'm not, but I don't see why UT deserves the bane more than Cheetory, Zar, or any other scum read.

Why should I think that Cheetory being less analytical and more inclined to take potshots in early game here than in later-game elsewhere means he's scum?

I never said that's why he's scum. I'm looking at the way he's reacting to different players, and it doesn't feel like town to me.

Why are you acting all superior and telling me to bane Cheetory when you're giving bane to Zar?

I typed that before I decided to switch to Zar. I still think Cheetory is a better bane target than UT, though. However, if you had to choose between Cheetory or Zar, I'd go with Zar. My point is that Cephrir seems to be thinking along the same lines as myself, which is a good thing, and

given your indecisiveness, it might be a good idea to listen to him.

Oh and regarding Cheetory's stance on Zar, I think it's pretty reasonable and quite similar to my own stance so it seems weird that Bulb would scumread him for it.

Look, I get that you're lost right now, but can you please not let yourself form judgements around who appeals to your emotional side.

You're doing an awful lot of that right now, and I'm afraid you're not looking at things objectively. Cheetory was not being indecisive about Zar. He was trying to dismantle Tammy's push on Zar while telling Zar to stop scumming it up.

P-edit: In other news, Vezok's scum.

Just please look at how you responded to Marquis and Zar when they both buddied up to you.

And this is the question I asked:

It's not conftown but I feel really good about Bulba.

How do you explain his ultra-weird post to me where he tells me I'm indecisive, lost and townreading people because they buddied me when none of this is true?

Yet you only talk about Marquis.

[Titus]

The first paragraph doesn't look wierd.

The second paragraph is fine too, remembering that not townreading someone does not necessitate scumreading them.

I don't see where Bulba's acting superior but I have been told I am an arrogant ass sometime so maybe I am immune.

He sees you as indecisive. I amnot really seeing you push a Zar/UT/Gamma bane, just voting. So I see where Bulba thinks that.


Marquis's awkward speech stands out. I don't really remember Zar just Empire. That's why I have a problem there.

[DeasVail]

Ok. Thanks for answering.

[Titus]

ergh not in my experience. though most of my experience with scum bulba is multiball.

Mostly singleball here. Yet at lot of my games got deleted so blah...

[Titus]

@DV, Join me on Zar. If you think Bulba's scum discrediting emotional play, then he's indirectly wanting to discredit Tammy. We all know she made an emotional plea to vote Zar based on the Empire stuff. The only reason to do that as scum is Bulba/Zar.

[hitogoroshi]

VC 17 (Minor Day 1, VC 17)

Bane:

Target player's Sign is revealed.

(5)

Zar

: Tammy, Bulbazak, Titus, GuyInFreezer, Shadoweh [L-5]
(3)

Gammagooey:

ActionDan, vezokpiraka, Marquis
(2)

vezokpiraka:

T S O, ChannelDelibird
(1)

Marquis:

Gammagooey
(1)

Bulbazak:

DeasVail
(1)

Untrod Tripod:

Cheetory6
(1)

Titus:

mastin2
(0)

Mastin2:

(Shadoweh)

(5)

No Bane Vote:

Antihero, Aronis, Espeonage, Untrod Tripod, Zar

With 19 votes in play, it takes 10 to Bane. Deadline is Sunday, April 5th at 9 PM CST.

Minor Day One Deadline

(expired on 2015-04-05 21:00:00)

mastin2 may be V/LA in the near future.

[Tammy]

Okay, I'd like to know what espeonage and mastin's teams think of marquis. (And anyone else who can read him, but those are the two teams with the most experience with him I think.)

hito - boon has the same deadline as bane, right?

[DeasVail]

@DV, Join me on Zar. If you think Bulba's scum discrediting emotional play, then he's indirectly wanting to discredit Tammy. We all know she made an emotional plea to vote Zar based on the Empire stuff. The only reason to do that as scum is Bulba/Zar.

The 'discredit Tammy' theory is too indirect to be conclusive for me and I'm at a position where I actually have some confidence in Bulbazak in being scum whereas I don't have as much in Zar being scum. So, I'm going to try and get Bulbazak baned if I possibly can, but if it gets down to it, I'd probably be willing to compromise on Zar since my team thinks he's scum and he's not exactly a townread for me either.

[DeasVail]

I have a few games' worth of experience with town-Marquis fwiw, but I don't think I've seen him as scum before.

[T S O]

As Doublade, a hydra
As Marquis

[T S O]

Can we Bane someone already so we can move onto the meat and drink that is the Major Day?

[T S O]

Also, we can get a Boon, and you know who likes Boons? This guy.

[T S O]

hey ffery, it shouldn't really bother you that you don't have a strong read on me early-game. I don't think you usually do.