White Flag Mafia [TM2015] (Game Over)

[Psyche]

I think I'm out of mania :(

[Aeronaut]

Does anyone else feel like Elk is one of those reddit bots that show up and give you game theory

[Psyche]

it's an off-site thing
the ones who trek from there to here: they are the true zealots
and we're some mix of the holy mecca and the emerald city

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

'Marble, why aren't you voting Cheery Dog? You must know this Psyche-thing is kind of weak given that he's being perfectly open about it.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.05

Psyche (3) - TellTaleHeart, Llamarble, Oversoul
theelkspeaks (3) - Regfan, BlueBloodedToffee, Aeronaut
BlueBloodedToffee (2) - Psyche, Zachrulez
Cheery Dog (1) - Cogito Ergo Sum
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - Ankamius
ika (1) - Cheery Dog
Oversoul (1) - theelkspeaks

Not Voting (1) - ika

With 13 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

The deadline is Monday, April 13, 2015, at 9:00 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-04-13 21:00:00).

[Llamarble]

'Marble, why aren't you voting Cheery Dog? You must know this Psyche-thing is kind of weak given that he's being perfectly open about it.

Nacho assigns Cheery Dog some townpoints for admitting he took a scum token. I'd like to hear more from CD.
Who are Cheery's buddies?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

43
50 - Case in point re tokens. This post makes me think CD could be town and it's something he could quite easily say as scum.

Nacho assigns Cheery Dog some townpoints for admitting he took a scum token.

La la la.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think Llama is town.
I think TTH is probably town.
Zach is town. I hope. I hope I can do what we did last time.

VOTE: Psyche

Why is Zach town?

Why are you voting Psyche?

[Cheery Dog]

But is he always dunk?

Ika is scum with Cheery Dog. Doesn't matter who the third one is. Zach Oversoul Psyche can be town.

This seems like good reads for now.

VOTE: ika

This seems inattentive. How come a list including you-scum is good?

"Cheery may have used a scum token"

I'll solve this question for you, I did attempt to use a scum token, still rolled town.

What do you think you'd have said regarding this had you rolled scum?

You'll notice I said for now, it's going to become not good once I'm more in the game, I don't expect to lynch off it.

I can't be sure as it hadn't happened, I think I'd try to ignore it. Maybe discuss with transited, but the while thing is a hypothetical situation and most can know for sure.

[Oversoul]

I think Llama is town.
I think TTH is probably town.
Zach is town. I hope. I hope I can do what we did last time.

VOTE: Psyche

Why is Zach town?

Why are you voting Psyche?

Zach was the type of person to fairly exclusively only like to play town. I'm hoping he is still that type of person!

Wagon!

[TellTaleHeart]

'Marble, why aren't you voting Cheery Dog? You must know this Psyche-thing is kind of weak given that he's being perfectly open about it.

Hello. You can have elk's spot in my scum pile now.

[Llamarble]

I've admittedly been a little more manipulative this game than usual, but I there's anymore benefit to be had from that.
Felt weird voting Psyche for the sake of doing something while I waited for CD to post. Patience is hard.

TOWN:
Llamarble

Regfan - He hasn't really done anything yet but 2 town tokens :doubles: his chance of being town.
Zach - I expect at least one token from him as well. Town are more likely to see their targets as 'squirming.'

BBT - Confidence, readiness to change direction. #84 particularly solid.
ika - Attitude, 'Elk is prob scum for calling me town.'

Oversoul - Followed a reasonable path so far.
TTH - 81, 135 are both moves in the right direction.

CES - 44 & 128 are solid but within scumrange.
Psyche - Pretty much content-free.
Elk - Kinda has the figuring out the game tone but he hasn't really bitten in, works with Cheery, and mostly speaks in generalities.
Ankamius - All he's provided is a low-relevance vote.
Aeronaut - seemed kinda town on a previous readthrough but works just fine as scum.

Cheery Dog - A scum token makes you twice as likely to be scum as a random person. This is sufficient to lynch barring impressive play I haven't seen yet. I don't think CD realized how strong the tokens are.
:SCUM

VOTE: Cheery Dog

I'm kind of tired so I may have derped some of these, but this is round 0.5 I guess.

[Aeronaut]

Yea but why even say that if he were scum though?

Too much WIFOM to really call it alignment indicitive, I think.

[Llamarble]

Maybe he didn't understand how hard it's going to be for us to justify lynching anyone other than him today with this information in play.
Maybe he was concerned people wouldn't believe him if he didn't claim his token and wanted to get in front of the problem, hoping to be townread for doing so.
Cheery Dog is currently ~twice as likely as any other player in this game to be scum. He better do some impressive things if he doesn't want to die.

[Ankamius]

Here's where I'm at right now.

Town:
BlueBloodedToffee
Oversoul

Weak Town:
TellTaleHeart
ZachRulez

Weak Scum:
Cogito Ergo Sum
theelkspeaks

Scum:
Llamarble
Psyche

Everyone not listed hasn't done anything that caught my attention yet.

VOTE: Psyche

[ika]

why have we not lynched ekk yet?

[Llamarble]

Scum:
Llamarble

Many have died for such folly.

[Psyche]

putting me with you is pretty unconventional
in one sense, i like it!

[Psyche]

bbt is reforming himself a little, but brushing me off and doing that is just common sense
his explanation that he was more interested in trying to get me to join the ika wagon when he voted me comes off as less a defense than an example of my problem with our interaction: the ika was a lolwagon, designed purely to make it easy to figure out who's scum; treating it as an end in itself is just strange

[Psyche]

You are welcome to self-vote.

Where are Regfan and CES?

That is an odd response

And?

It was purposefully vague. Why were you snark with the original answer?

again
why was it purposefully vague?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Nacho assigns Cheery Dog some townpoints for admitting he took a scum token. I'd like to hear more from CD.
Who are Cheery's buddies?

My best guess currently would be 2 of {Ankamius, elk, ika} although I wouldn't be particularly happy lynching any of those currently.

Too much WIFOM to really call it alignment indicitive, I think.

I think the decision to say it probably isn't very alignment-indicative (the token and his play so far on the other hand totally are). If CD felt it was obvious he would take a scum token, he'd probably feel lying about it would make him more suspicious.

[Regfan]

Just got home from work, Empires still up so probably going to discuss the game with him for a bit and then get dinner before I get around to this properly. If anyone has anything they want his thoughts on re; this game let me know soon.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Assuming Empire still reads too many games, I wouldn't mind having a rough guide as to how good at scum each member of our player list is.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

136 - Not a fan of this reads-list or the vote.

Town reading/scum reading people based on potential token use is an avenue I would expect scum to take. It's quite easy for scum to absolve themselves of any responsibility on mislynches and an easy way to provide town reads/solidly defend their buddies, again, without coming under much fire because 'token use'.

Just to clarify, let's say you're scum with Regfan. Now, should Regfan come under pressure and start looking like he is likely to be the lynch, you can outright defend him as hard as you want without looking scummy because 'tokens'. Even if he flipped scum; 'tokens'. I don't like this being an available defense for scum to use.

I will not be taking tokens into account. I don't care if someone used 5 tokens to be town, if you look scummy, I'm voting you. Tokens should not surpass scum-hunting.

Also, just in case people don't realize this, players can lie about how they used their tokens.

Your strongest reasoning for voting in this game right now is that he might have used one token to roll scum? That's pretty weak.

139 - Ank, why are you town reading me?

Why are Oversoul and Zach town?

Why is Psyche scum?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Your strongest reasoning for voting in this game right now is that he might have used one token to roll scum? That's pretty weak.

It's not a "might". We know he did.

It's also exactly the sort of reasoning Llamarble gravitates towards. You can be a luddite and pretend this information doesn't exist but don't expect everyone else to.