We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Oranje Crush]

You realize there's only 1 investigative role that returns alignment, right?

[Oranje Crush]

(I guess technically two but with no SK I don't see there being an FBI agent)

[BBmolla]

Drixx and Titus arguing is such a waste of time btw, I'm boy lunching either of them

[vonflare]

I'm boy lunching either of them

[Titus]

Molla's ability should not be activated until I am dead.

[Titus]

@BB, I agree. Drixx just refuses to do anything useful. He could actually move the game forward by giving a read that is not of me or him so I could relook at him. He refuses to do so. *shrug* Not sure how much more Olive branchy I can get without being dishonest.

[deathfisaro]

Yeah no you still look bad. Don't misrepresent me. I didn't say any of the things you are implying. A random vote on Bulbasaur is not going to convince. In fact, I will join my mason buddy and vote you

VOTE: deathfisaro

That doesn't mean OranjeScum is innocent. It just means that we have too much scum and too few lynches. People who aren't voting, please tell me what do you find townie about either of these scum bastards, and vote one of them or claim scum yourselves. Kthx

Not a random vote. I have reasons that I'm willing to divulge if we're certainly triggering Molla's nightskip.
It feels a bit premature but D4 is my deadline anyway.

[LucianRoy]

I want to follow Ozgin's vote.
We are hat-buddies after all.
But first, I really want him to expound upon what happened to him during the night.

[Drixx]

@BB, I agree. Drixx just refuses to do anything useful. He could actually move the game forward by giving a read that is not of me or him so I could relook at him. He refuses to do so. *shrug* Not sure how much more Olive branchy I can get without being dishonest.

Because, you know, I haven't said anything about OM or Cerberus or Lucian ...

[Cuttlefish]

Vote Count 3.03

Oranje Crush (3)

- BBmolla, vonflare, Narninian

Boonskiies (2)

- ActionDan, Bulbasaur Commonwealth

deathfisaro (2)

- Three-Pronged Trouser God, Toon Fighter

Bulbasaur Commonwealth (1)

- deathfisaro

Om of the Nom (1)

- Oranje Crush

Not Voting (9)

: Ozgin, ChriVi, Boonskiies, Drixx, PeregrineV, Cerberus v666, BRantz, LucianRoy, Om of the Nom, Titus

With 18 votes in play, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-11 10:14:33).

Ozgin, ActionDan, ChriVi, Om of the Nom and BRantz have been prodded.

[Titus]

@BB, I agree. Drixx just refuses to do anything useful. He could actually move the game forward by giving a read that is not of me or him so I could relook at him. He refuses to do so. *shrug* Not sure how much more Olive branchy I can get without being dishonest.

Because, you know, I haven't said anything about OM or Cerberus or Lucian ...

If you truly had said anything of value there, you could give a read that had reasons rather than expecting me to divine your positions. Throwaway aspersions are not reads.

[Drixx]

@BB, I agree. Drixx just refuses to do anything useful. He could actually move the game forward by giving a read that is not of me or him so I could relook at him. He refuses to do so. *shrug* Not sure how much more Olive branchy I can get without being dishonest.

Because, you know, I haven't said anything about OM or Cerberus or Lucian ...

If you truly had said anything of value there, you could give a read that had reasons rather than expecting me to divine your positions. Throwaway aspersions are not reads.

I vouched that Cerberus is not playing out of his normal character and style. I also put my neck on the line basically by saying that he's probably a little overwhelmed at the number of posts. We're now something like 2k posts beyond the game that had the most posts ever where he and I both come from. He and I know each other quite well and are good friends, and so I think my read on him goes above and beyond.

I also said that OM is my biggest scum read right now. He went from putting together a case on me that consisted almost entirely of calling me scum for answering questions directed towards me by players in the game who have played with me and wondered why I was taking a different approach than normal. That's just not a good way to scum hunt. It was dishonest and scummy, and I still think OM is a place we should be pushing. Om is just lurksacking his way through the game now. {The worst part about those direct questions is that they were coming from Copper, who has been in the majority of my on site games and knew, from experience, that I change it up every game}.

I also pointed out that Lucian doing a vig shot when performing any other action would have gotten him lynched should NOT be considered a town play. He should be read simply on the merits of his posts. As much progress as I've seen out of him since he joined here (a tremendous amount, and I quite hope he stays around a long time as I think he's got the smarts to become one of the best), there's still a lot in this game from him that reads scummy.

I

will

do a more formal and detailed reads list soon, just for my own sake if not for any other reason. I can't go into specifics about other games, but suffice it to say I can devote my attention here a little more fixedly now.

[Titus]

The first two are closer to what I wanted.

The second is what I asked for. And that's a scumread we agree on.

[BBmolla]

[quote="In post 3852, BBmolla"][/quote]
not lynching*

[Cerberus v666]

Molla's ability should not be activated until I am dead.

Care to explain? Mollas power lets us fast forward to a day when you'd have a double vote, instead of no vote, but that's definitely not worth waiting around and setting ourselves up to get screwed when we find out molla's scum and doesn't have this power(just theoretically), or that you're scum and that double vote is going against us.

[Titus]

Molla's ability should not be activated until I am dead.

Care to explain? Mollas power lets us fast forward to a day when you'd have a double vote, instead of no vote, but that's definitely not worth waiting around and setting ourselves up to get screwed when we find out molla's scum and doesn't have this power(just theoretically), or that you're scum and that double vote is going against us.

Molla's nightskip buys us an extra lynch. My vote toggle is a passive ability.

Day X is mylo. We lynch on Mylo and trigger BB. If it's a mislynch, that is not a problem as nightskip still happens.
Day Y, I have double vote. If a mislynch, we are in lylo.

Thus giving us an extra lynch. If BB lied about nightskipping, it should be obvious as no kills would process.

As for the me being scum, that's why I wanted Ozgin to check me. Cop cleared treestumping doublevoter would have been difficult for scum to stop.

[Titus]

**kills would process

[Toon Fighter]

I thought you weren't a treestump

[Cerberus v666]

Molla's ability should not be activated until I am dead.

Care to explain? Mollas power lets us fast forward to a day when you'd have a double vote, instead of no vote, but that's definitely not worth waiting around and setting ourselves up to get screwed when we find out molla's scum and doesn't have this power(just theoretically), or that you're scum and that double vote is going against us.

Molla's nightskip buys us an extra lynch. My vote toggle is a passive ability.

Day X is mylo. We lynch on Mylo and trigger BB. If it's a mislynch, that is not a problem as nightskip still happens.
Day Y, I have double vote. If a mislynch, we are in lylo.

Thus giving us an extra lynch. If BB lied about nightskipping, it should be obvious as no kills would process.

As for the me being scum, that's why I wanted Ozgin to check me. Cop cleared treestumping doublevoter would have been difficult for scum to stop.

So, let's ignore the difficulty of being down to MYLO and trying to both lynch someone, and trigger molla's power, without scum interfering(if molla's power doesn't go off on ties, means you need at least 3 people voting for molla so scum can't wreck that plan, and then we lose if MYLO. This means we can't really use his power in a MYLO situation unless there are 8+ players alive at that time). So, ignoring that. We get the extra lynch for town either way. The earlier the extra lynch occurs, the higher the % of players remaining alive who are town will be(most likely), making it more likely that the conversation about who to use the extra lynch on will be town dominated, which is a good thing. We will also keep our power roles alive longer, by skipping earlier. Do any of them have day powers? We don't know. But we do know that scum kill at night. It's more likely our night skip will help town, than hurt them. Finally, Ogzin. First off, your point about clearing things for your whole plan is a waste of words because it's irrelevant. You're obsessed with your plan, even though the circumstances have changed. Stop it. Second...he didn't investigate anyone last night. Assuming he is town(which I find more likely than I do for most of you), nightskip tonight keeps us from essentially punishing our cop for his mistake.

[Cerberus v666]

I thought you weren't a treestump

She isn't. She just loves her plan that she blames Drixx for foiling, and seems to think repeatedly bringing it up and talking about how OMG AWESOME it would have been will somehow make it relevant to the game now that it's no longer an option.

[Narninian]

We won't know when its mylo and if its mylo scum will have a good portion of the votes. I think triggering molla sooner is better than later.

[Toon Fighter]

Trigger molla today is the best choice

[Oranje Crush]

Trigger molla today is the best choice

This.
It makes sense to do it today.

[Narninian]

Trigger molla today is the best choice

This.
It makes sense to do it today.

Change of heart?

Spoiler:

I'd rather lynch Oranje but I'm ok with this. I'm keep my vote on BBMolla because we shoud trigger it.

Stupid like this shouldn't be allowed to play mafia

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You're a dumbass too.

The reason Narnian's post was dumb is that we should neither be lynch a confirmable role nor should we be activating BB's ability this early.

It's optimal to activate Molla's ability when there are the most conftown or highly-likely town PR claims in play. His ability becomes more powerful the longer we wait.

[vonflare]

Trigger molla today is the best choice

This.
It makes sense to do it today.

Trigger molla today is the best choice

This.
It makes sense to do it today.

Change of heart?

Spoiler:

I'd rather lynch Oranje but I'm ok with this. I'm keep my vote on BBMolla because we shoud trigger it.

Stupid like this shouldn't be allowed to play mafia

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You're a dumbass too.

The reason Narnian's post was dumb is that we should neither be lynch a confirmable role nor should we be activating BB's ability this early.

It's optimal to activate Molla's ability when there are the most conftown or highly-likely town PR claims in play. His ability becomes more powerful the longer we wait.

VOTE: oranje

Anyone who isn't voting for this blatant self-contradiction is, well, oranjes scumbuddies.

Oranje explain yourself