We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Oranje Crush]

That was me (wgeurts) posting, BRO disagrees with me on this matter.
However Vonflare is now obviously scum for his eagerness to pounce on these things.

[PeregrineV]

started on Vyse ISO.

One of the reads he was null and flippy on (he liked to pressure it, but didn't like others to pressure it) was Drixx.

My own brief Drixx thoughts were "generally townish", but when I checked Drixx iso to see how he deals with Vyse, there is no interaction/opinion on Vyse in 200+ posts.

Is there a pre-existning claim or something going on for Drixx?

[vonflare]

That was me (wgeurts) posting, BRO disagrees with me on this matter.
However Vonflare is now obviously scum for his eagerness to pounce on these things.

YeahNo

[Drixx]

Wow PV is out of touch a bit. I wasn't really seriously posting yesterday after "the incident" and vonflare was a lump in the background before that. I haven't decided if he just lacks common sense or if he's scum. When I do decide, you'll know. K?

[PeregrineV]

Wow PV is out of touch a bit. I wasn't really seriously posting yesterday after "the incident" and vonflare was a lump in the background before that. I haven't decided if he just lacks common sense or if he's scum. When I do decide, you'll know. K?

Yeah, it's something new I'm trying to keep a mafia/work/life balance.

What was the incident?

How is it related to 0 opinions thoughts, mentions or interactions with Vyse, esp. given his interest in you?

[vonflare]

Wow PV is out of touch a bit. I wasn't really seriously posting yesterday after "the incident" and vonflare was a lump in the background before that. I haven't decided if he just lacks common sense or if he's scum. When I do decide, you'll know. K?

:P

[Ozgin]

@mod: Replace Out

I simply have to limit myself to one game because life is a bitch right now.

[Drixx]

Wow PV is out of touch a bit. I wasn't really seriously posting yesterday after "the incident" and vonflare was a lump in the background before that. I haven't decided if he just lacks common sense or if he's scum. When I do decide, you'll know. K?

Yeah, it's something new I'm trying to keep a mafia/work/life balance.

What was the incident?

How is it related to 0 opinions thoughts, mentions or interactions with Vyse, esp. given his interest in you?

I guess I'm just

that

interesting.

[PeregrineV]

Wow PV is out of touch a bit. I wasn't really seriously posting yesterday after "the incident" and vonflare was a lump in the background before that. I haven't decided if he just lacks common sense or if he's scum. When I do decide, you'll know. K?

Yeah, it's something new I'm trying to keep a mafia/work/life balance.

What was the incident?

How is it related to 0 opinions thoughts, mentions or interactions with Vyse, esp. given his interest in you?

I guess I'm just

that

interesting.

Possibly.

What was the incident?

Thoughts about Vyse Iso?

[Oranje Crush]

Trigger molla today is the best choice

This.
It makes sense to do it today.

Fjakdnalsnelalfkwkahdh

[Oranje Crush]

But yeah I'm fine with going after vonflare after we're done with Om

[Narninian]

hmm.. I'm also missing what "the incident" is

[Oranje Crush]

Also anyone who can't tell my posts apart from my partner's is a moron.

[Drixx]

Cliffnotes:

1.) TPTG voted Titus and the vote counted, outing Titus as not a treestump. I didn't notice this, but it's in the vote counts (according to TPTG ... I don't do VCA so I don't look at vote counts super closely very often)
2.) ToonFighter pointed out that there were 2 more votes available than there should be.
3.) I, fully believing Titus' day 1 claim of being a treestump who could unstump one time at will and get a single day of 2 votes, and also assuming that Titus was being honest when she said she hadn't done it yet, was concerned that there was perhaps a scum role in play that could cause vote shenanigans.
4.) I asked everyone who wasn't already voting to simply self-vote so we could figure out who had the extra votes, whether that be one or two people (I wasn't sure at the time what was more likely)
5.) Titus was paranoid because she thought she hadn't already been outed and thought I was rolefishing, and attacked me.
6.) I responded to Titus by saying that I wasn't asking for role claims, explaining what I was worried about, pointing out that I had seen such roles in the past and seen them hurt the town.
7.) There was an escalation of more and more angry/attack posts from Titus. I tried in several different ways to give her a way to back out.
8.) She rage-claimed instead of getting up and calming down and rationally evaluating what I was doing.
9.) After rage-claiming, she couldn't bear the loss of face and just admit that she has misread my intentions, so she came up with this crackpot theory that I had done all of that to out her (even though TPTG pointed out she was already outed long before, and even though TF first pointed out the discrepency in votes) and to stall the wagon on Lihin. She posited that since Lihin was obvious scum that I must be a scumbuddy doing a horribly obvious job of trying to save Lihin.
10.) Several people pointed out to Titus how bad her logic was and how her biased viewpoint is the only reason she thinks I was rolefishing.
11.) Tired of Titus constantly bringing the issue back up and making snide comments, I spent the rest of the day phase talking in the third person to amuse myself.

12.) Today, Titus still refuses to acknowledge she was wrong, but at least is no longer slinging snide comments at me. She is still clinging to the fantasy of some grand plan she had though, even though TPTG pointed out that her cover was blown long before I got curious.
13.) Bonus Point: Titus wanted Ozgin to cop her and confirm her as pro-town, which is a terrible idea because Ozgin needs to find scum and get them killed to be unkillable the following night phase. "Clearing" Titus would have left him vulnerable, and wouldn't necessarily have even had positive utility since Godfather is a thing.


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@Oranje - Stop with the super scummy crap. I really don't want to read your chain wall of text posts over again and you're pinging my scumdar hard right now. If you make me slog through your posts and context and put a case together, I'm going to be irritated, no matter how you flip.

[Drixx]

Also, this needs to happen:

VOTE: Om

Come back and play with us OM. Don't be a policy lynch.

[God of Power Outlets]

Molla's ability should not be activated until I am dead.

Care to explain? Mollas power lets us fast forward to a day when you'd have a double vote, instead of no vote, but that's definitely not worth waiting around and setting ourselves up to get screwed when we find out molla's scum and doesn't have this power(just theoretically), or that you're scum and that double vote is going against us.

Molla's nightskip buys us an extra lynch. My vote toggle is a passive ability.

Day X is mylo. We lynch on Mylo and trigger BB. If it's a mislynch, that is not a problem as nightskip still happens.
Day Y, I have double vote. If a mislynch, we are in lylo.

Thus giving us an extra lynch. If BB lied about nightskipping, it should be obvious as no kills would process.

As for the me being scum, that's why I wanted Ozgin to check me. Cop cleared treestumping doublevoter would have been difficult for scum to stop.

Vote: Titus

[BBmolla]

^focus. We need to lunch scum, not distractions.

Vote oranje.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Titus, you seem to think that you are a Queen and I am some peasant who you can order around at your whim. I don't respond well to demands and threats. You might try lowering yourself down to the level of us common folk and

asking

what I think about specific things. Demanding that I produce some large nebulous thing that isn't well defined is not a recipe for success with me. Firstly, I don't bow to people who aren't superior to me, and secondly you haven't shown anything that makes me think producing a read with post citations and explanation for every living player would actually sway you in any way.

she AND I asked you yesterday, and you responding with self-pity whining and that stupid-ass 3rd-person thing. Your attempted self-righteousness doesn't fly.

That doesn't mean OranjeScum is innocent. It just means that we have too much scum and too few lynches. People who aren't voting, please tell me what do you find townie about either of these scum bastards, and vote one of them or claim scum yourselves. Kthx

I'm not averse to him, but Bulb still feels like he's town. I can pester him for his reasons if you want.

"vote or scumclaim" proclamations don't work coming from you, btw.

Stupid like this shouldn't be allowed to play mafia

guerts, please stop posting.

Narninians statement is self-contradictory at best. Vote oranje if you want him lynched, then when we're sure he's getting killed we can organize molla's ability.

...No it's not.

Role cop, voyeur, and follower all don't give you an alignment regardless, and at least confirming commuter makes us far more likely town than scum in the eyes of not-us.

So...the main reason you're so up in arms is because we're refusing to conftown you?

http://i.imgur.com/UTkP9rZ.jpg

The only post from vonflare that I like. (not townread, mind, just like)

Not a random vote. I have reasons that I'm willing to divulge if we're certainly triggering Molla's nightskip.
It feels a bit premature but D4 is my deadline anyway.

This feels very weird, mainly because I don't recall you placing us as a scumread before.

*snip*

And you didn't do any of this at any point yesterday even when someone who's not Titus asked you is...?

^focus. We need to lunch scum, not distractions.

Vote oranje.

Why not Om?

-Ivy

[ActionDan]

so many games. So many prods. And im in the city

[Oranje Crush]

guerts, please stop posting.

Wrong head. I'm offended >:C

[Oranje Crush]

So...the main reason you're so up in arms is because we're refusing to conftown you?

"I have this not-as-good-as-cop investigative PR. Huh, there's a target that makes it closer to cop (not 100% because it just confirms the commuter aspect). Let me NOT do that."

10/10 infallible logic.

[Narninian]

So...the main reason you're so up in arms is because we're refusing to conftown you?

"I have this not-as-good-as-cop investigative PR. Huh, there's a target that makes it closer to cop (not 100% because it just confirms the commuter aspect). Let me NOT do that."

10/10 infallible logic.

You don't understand that targeting you just confirms you can't be targeted.
I don't think anyone is disputing this and as such its a huge waste - because it doesn't do anything else.

I *believe* you can't be targeted- don't you think finding scum is better than confirming something that doesn't actually tell us what your alignment is or even your full role?

[Oranje Crush]

If you legitimately believe that commuter's don't have a higher-than-average rate of being town by a substantial margin...

[Oranje Crush]

Like, yes, it's not perfect, but mafia is a game of probabilities and doing things that move the needle substantially in that regard is still good.

[Oranje Crush]

Or are you too stupid to understand that, too.