White Flag Mafia [TM2015] (Game Over)

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.08

theelkspeaks (5) - Regfan, BlueBloodedToffee, Aeronaut, Zachrulez, Oversoul
Cheery Dog (2) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Llamarble
Psyche (2) - Antihero, Ankamius
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - Psyche
Oversoul (1) - theelkspeaks

Not Voting (2) - ika, Cheery Dog

With 13 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

The deadline is Monday, April 13, 2015, at 9:00 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-04-13 21:00:00).

[theelkspeaks]

*is sad about the replacement*

The replacement occurred after my teammate copper told me to say hi to TTH and that he expects TTH is town and can carry the game.

VOTE: Psyche

[Oversoul]

*is sad about the replacement*

The replacement occurred after my teammate copper told me to say hi to TTH and that he expects TTH is town and can carry the game.

VOTE: Psyche

Why the Psyche vote?

[Psyche]

I'm just minding my own business :(

[Zachrulez]

I wasn't really paying attention to the TTH slot before, but I am now.

[Psyche]

unvote

Fine, whatever.

[Zachrulez]

Psyche what do you think about recent events?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

190 - Zach, you should explain that BBT vote now.

Can you clarify why you think Elk is scum?

Would love an explanation for your town reads on Psyche and Oversoul too.

191 - Oversoul, firstly, I would have liked Llamarble to have the first chance of responding to what I said. Second, I disliked Psyche's immediate WK, on top of this, he started playing dumb and I got frustrated. I've decided I'm going to ignore him for the time being.

I'm not sure whether you're referring to the point I made against Llamarble or the discussion with Psyche that ensued.

Also, it should be noted in this post that Oversoul says the only scumminess he can see from Elk is the point that Regfan made.

192 - Ugh. I hate this post.

What was the purpose of it?

199 - Oversoul, you're now voting Elk when you just previously stated that you don't see much scumminess from him? Nah.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Oversoul

Elk wagon is ugly.

PEdit - Why the unvote Psyche?

[Llamarble]

Okay
I win a lot as town and one of the reasons for that is I don't ignore mechanics when figuring out the game. Scum got daytalk this round; we got tokens.
Maybe it will be clearer if framed differently. Suppose you have a cop that gets a correct result 50% of the time and a random result the other 50%.
That cop has a guilty on CD and an innocent on Regfan. I will need to be :twice: as sure of Regfan scum / Cheery town as normal to go against those results.

And yes, it is true that as scum, if somebody rolled town but used a scum token and admitted it, I would be absolutely gleeful for the free lynch. I have won games as scum following that kind of path.
Fortunately for you, I have a tendency to practically confirm myself as town via dayplay and have already made substantial progress in that direction.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Fortunately for you, I have a tendency to practically confirm myself as town via dayplay and have already made substantial progress in that direction.

I can 100% assure you that you have not done this.

[Antihero]

*is sad about the replacement*

The replacement occurred after my teammate copper told me to say hi to TTH and that he expects TTH is town and can carry the game.

VOTE: Psyche

fear not for tth will still be driving. i'm just doing the posting.

[Llamarble]

Fortunately for you, I have a tendency to practically confirm myself as town via dayplay and have already made substantial progress in that direction.

I can 100% assure you that you have not done this.

Oh ye of little research. I'd say the chance I get lynched this game has already dropped below 3%.

Speaking of free lynches, Cheery hasn't really attracted votes even though lynching him is the Right Thing To Do.
Impressive patience from the scumteam? Or maybe Cheery is actually just scum.

[theelkspeaks]

Mostly because TTH is my strongest townread and while struggling to find scum so far, I can back the scumread of my strongest townread with a vote.

[Antihero]

I wasn't really paying attention to the TTH slot before, but I am now.

your posting up to now is absolutely terrible

[Psyche]

I'm going to

vote cheery

but it's only because I need to rethink stuff.

[Antihero]

I'm going to

vote cheery

but it's only because I need to rethink stuff.

where's the first go-round of this "thinking" stuff?

[Psyche]

do you wanna fight

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Also worth stating that my team thinks that Aeroaut fits "Wallflower scum" in that his posts his posts really just leave him in the background but don't think he makes sense with Elk as scum since don't think he'd buss D1 in this setup and more confident on Elk being scum here, want to know what you think of the two of them individually / as potential partners at the moment cause that's kind of messing up our reads a little right now.

I can see your point about Aeronaut although I don't think it's that convincing at this stage. The vote on Elk probably does mean either your conception of how Aeronautscum plays is a bit off or that they aren't scum together (third option is that it's a more deliberate plan but that can be revisited later). But I wouldn't be worrying overly much about pairings at this stage (I can calculate for you approximately how much you should care if you give me consistent probabilities for each player being scum).

Antihero, I still want to know why you and tth switched games.

[Llamarble]

Llama; Know your super-early game reads do have reasoning behind them, would appreciate you not ignoring me and actually running me through the thought process behind having Oversoul and Psyche as town to begin with

I think my actual internal monologue was along the lines of 'this guy and this guy seem town' but I'll try and describe the patterns they matched.
Psyche hadn't (and hasn't) gone out of his way to look properly involved. I believe it is harder for most people to be annoying as scum (this is also a reason for Zach-town).
Oversoul's vote had at least a minimal amount of bite, which seemed about right from town (whereas Cheery's did not).

[Psyche]

what will it take for me to be taken seriously as a serious person?

[Llamarble]

I have to admit Cheery's ISO so far is neutral at worst. Still the best choice if forced to lynch this instant.
Regfan is trying to figure me out, which makes sense, though I'm curious about the point of having me reconstruct my reads from post 18. Empire being involved is also certainly a good sign, but the way he presents his teammates' ideas reminds me of how I did it as scum in previous Team Mafia ("but teammate has this contrasting idea" to prove teammate is scumhunting instead of "I spent some time with X and we arrived at Y" which would show teammate being used as a resource to help him scumhunt). Actually I lied; on review Empire's involvement looks more like the latter - I happened to focus on instances resembling the former on my first pass. So that is a good sign too. Regfan is not obvtown yet, but is my best townread.

[Llamarble]

These are the ones that bugged me:
semi-tempted to try and trick Mina (She's very decisive) into taking a stance on them and blaming her if they're wrong
Empires kind of paranoid here though and also wants something explained below but it's not something that troubles me much
Empire wanted me to state that he agrees with you entirely in regards to disliking BBTs Post 57, I'm not reading it that way though

These are the favorable ones:
Empire and myself also didn't like Elks Post 74
Empires still up so probably going to discuss the game with him for a bit

Ok that last one is telling not showing but it is at least telling the right thing.
But its important the the person who actually gets a vote is the one they discussed together and agreed on. That is as it should be.

[Llamarble]

*it's important that the
If I make any textual errors from here on, you can make fun of me; I am proud of how few mistakes I make while writing and I don't want my skill to atrophy.

[Zachrulez]

I wasn't really paying attention to the TTH slot before, but I am now.

your posting up to now is absolutely terrible

Whatever helps you get your hooks into the game I guess.

[Llamarble]

So guys, how does ika have 4 votes already? Like he's kinda not saying much of anything useful, but I don't see anything abysmal in his posts either, it feels more like "pre-game banter" from a player who doesn't have reads yet.

I'm keeping a moderately suspicious eye on this wagon.

This is definitely questionable but it is hard to separate n00b flavor from scum flavor.

Elk, what is your opinion of Cheery Dog? Also, why would an analysis of the votes for ika take a long time? There are like 100 posts in this thread and only 4 votes for ika.

Getting to Cheery in a second, but the problem with the ika votes is that none of them look especially bad to me, so I'm considering the ika-voting players more closely and trying to get more to read them on.

*is sad about the replacement*

The replacement occurred after my teammate copper told me to say hi to TTH and that he expects TTH is town and can carry the game.

VOTE: Psyche

Mostly because TTH is my strongest townread and while struggling to find scum so far, I can back the scumread of my strongest townread with a vote.

All three of these actually sound kinda town