↑xRECKONERx wrote:What's the pro-town benefit of setup speculation discussion? It's not even current setup spec -- it's setup spec from a completely unrelated game. It is not productive, it's anti-productive. It's a distraction. I don't particularly give a shit about meta or anything, so that piece of the argument falls flat for me. For me, analyzing that within the context of this game alone, it's sketchy.
At least you can admit your bias.
You don't know if there is a correlation between the roles of the prior setup and the new ones, from the roles you all said you received I suspect there is one so the discussion is not useless, there are other ways where discussion of past roles can be useful as well.
This game is pretty high-profile and run by smart people. There's absolutely no way they would allow setup spec based on the previous game to be useful for town here -- that would be terrible modding. I expect there is exactly the same amount of correlation you would see between any two Magua games. So unless you normally do buckets of mod meta, we can stop anytime.
↑copper223 wrote:I could make the same argument for RVS you just mad for Cabd proposing that discussion, it's not productive because all of us here know how it goes, it's anti-productive, it's a distraction, it's scum indicative that you RVS voted ... (if you space the logical jumps from A to D by putting in B and C to make it look reasonable it still is absurd when you connect the dots).
I don't think it's the same at all. There are legitimate reasons for RVS to exist. If we wanted to talk about the setup instead of doing RVS, I guess that would be fine, but if we're talking in addition to, we quickly end up chasing our tails.
I don't get most of the current hate on Shos btw, I am in a similar position regarding what he said about not being able to give decent reads with the amount of content that we have at the time, at the moment I'd lynch one of Reck/Who but would I hammer one of them? Hell no.
I had a different cause of concern, he has been echoing posts from other players like my fence/town read on Ceph/TS, I'd like some original content if possible.
@LLD
You are laying it a bit thick with the: I wanted to play scum but the leak screwed me attitude, I get you couldn't be very motivated to play, but it is starting to look like an excuse to cover being scummy with being derpy.
↑Cephrir wrote:This game is pretty high-profile and run by smart people. There's absolutely no way they would allow setup spec based on the previous game to be useful for town here -- that would be terrible modding. I expect there is exactly the same amount of correlation you would see between any two Magua games. So unless you normally do buckets of mod meta, we can stop anytime.
No matter how smart Magua is he doesn't live in a vacuum, he had 1 day to make a new setup and he had the roles from his previous game fresh in mind, so I guarantee he is going to re-use some ideas.
The point of the RVS example was not to compare the validity of the two, it was to highlight how Reck made a series of unjustified logical leaps to land to his conclusion.
shos is different because he's being a smarmy coy asshole about his read. He's doing the "I have a read, you wanna know what it is? Too bad!" thing that reminds me of elementary school bus rides.
Why are you still voting for T-Bone if you have an inkling elsewhere? Did you just miss the time when there was a little momentum towards Reck, because otherwise that would've been a great time to apply pressure.
↑Cephrir wrote:This game is pretty high-profile and run by smart people. There's absolutely no way they would allow setup spec based on the previous game to be useful for town here -- that would be terrible modding. I expect there is exactly the same amount of correlation you would see between any two Magua games. So unless you normally do buckets of mod meta, we can stop anytime.
No matter how smart Magua is he doesn't live in a vacuum, he had 1 day to make a new setup and he had the roles from his previous game fresh in mind, so I guarantee he is going to re-use some ideas.
He had a few days as well as potentially a team of helpers.
Because T-Bone hasn't done anything to make me change my vote and nobody else has passed the threshold to where I think a vote on them would be beneficial, I don't appreciate questions on how I choose to play, unless you want to make them alignment relevant?
↑Cephrir wrote:Did you just miss the time when there was a little momentum towards Reck, because otherwise that would've been a great time to apply pressure.
↑copper223 wrote:Because T-Bone hasn't done anything to make me change my vote and nobody else has passed the threshold to where I think a vote on them would be beneficial, I don't appreciate questions on how I choose to play, unless you want to make them alignment relevant?
Just trying to have an interaction, didn't really care what about, evidently that didn't work.
I did not suggest a PL, I was just saying that there was no reason to PL who, and I didn't get why that was even named. If anything, a policy lynch may be acceptable on a hated person.
↑Cephrir wrote:shos is different because he's being a smarmy coy asshole about his read. He's doing the "I have a read, you wanna know what it is? Too bad!" thing that reminds me of elementary school bus rides.
Why are you still voting for T-Bone if you have an inkling elsewhere? Did you just miss the time when there was a little momentum towards Reck, because otherwise that would've been a great time to apply pressure.
I'm gonna have to go ahead and lol at this
everything I say has a reason, clearly you haven't played with me enough
↑Rhinox wrote:minus for votes cast, plus for votes received?
Looks it.
Almost makes me want to vote 48 more times to see what happens.
That's not quite it. The numbers don't work.
shos wrote:I did not suggest a PL, I was just saying that there was no reason to PL who, and I didn't get why that was even named. If anything, a policy lynch may be acceptable on a hated person.
"Why Who, why not notscience?" is not what I'd expect to hear for someone that is totally against policy lynching.
shos wrote:I did not suggest a PL, I was just saying that there was no reason to PL who, and I didn't get why that was even named. If anything, a policy lynch may be acceptable on a hated person.
"Why Who, why not notscience?" is not what I'd expect to hear for someone that is totally against policy lynching.
I'll quote you what I wrote:
↑shos wrote:why would we PL who, again?
if any, PL ns, he's hated and stuff.
@Ceph
I am all for interacting, if you don't try and push me around
@Rhinox
Qualify your statements, you don't like as in you find the scummy or on a personal level, and what posting in particular?
@All
I thought the numbers might have been Katsuki with a post restriction, that's why I asked about the prod but I did not factor in she would not have been prodded yet anyway.
↑xRECKONERx wrote:
"Obviously no intent"? How is it obvious? He brought up setup speculation about a completely unrelated game that has no actual impact or anything on this game and asked for EVERY PLAYER IN THE GAME to engage in said useless bullshit setup speculation. How is that "obviously" not engaging?
Bringing that up dictates the course of the early phase of this game and that course is shitty and not productive and bullshit. It's scummy enough,
especially so early on D1
, to warrant a push.
Your defense of him is really cute though
I know cabd as a very thorough player. Wanting to understand the previous setup suits him. He wasn't doing it in a way to avoid commenting, he was just doing first things first. I've seen scumhim lurk and not contribute, but it's too early to tell if that is what he's doing,
