↑Llamarble wrote:
I really like winning, so I don't ignore game mechanics. If you want to be a scumhunting purist and ignore what the setup / roles tell you, fine, but it will be hard for you to get a really high town winrate. Also about half my posts, including the reads list you found so offensive, include behavioral reads with explanations. Other posts include behavioral reads I did not bother to explain at the time. I have also provided behavioral discussion of both Regfan and Cheery. Claiming I am basing my play solely on tokens / am not scumhunting is so obviously wrong it's hard to understand how you got there.
I also like winning which is where my hatred for set-up spec stems from.
I specifically pointed out the reads that I had problems with - Regfan, Zach and CD.
Basing your play
solely
on tokens is not what I said. I said your scum-read was based on token usage, you have built upon this since (only slightly), but that doesn't alter the fact it's based on token usage.
Tell me why CD is scum without using token-talk.
Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.
↑Regfan wrote:
I still think you're misunderstanding, say Llama has no one that he's "confident" that is scum (Which is the case here)
I actually did get some "I HAVE SOLVED THIS WHEEE" feelings last night. I still feel pretty good about where things are, but Cheery's unvote is interesting and I'll have to rethink that read tonight after work. As for Elk, I can totally imagine a 'Player X is really strong and can carry the game and looks town' post not immediately making it into the game and then being a source of disappointment when X trades out. I don't think 'Yay threat X is gone!' or anything similar triggers a post in thread. Just seems like a hard concept for a newer-seeming player to pull from nowhere.
BBT, you are a broken record. Regfan and I have ridiculously high town winrates, so maybe we're on to something. Anyhow, by now it's utterly obvious at least that I believe tokens are important, so voting me because of it is senseless. Also, I made a post last night where I summarized the important CD points.
↑Llamarble wrote:BBT, you are a broken record. Regfan and I have ridiculously high town winrates, so maybe we're on to something. Anyhow, by now it's utterly obvious at least that I believe tokens are important, so voting me because of it is senseless. Also, I made a post last night where I summarized the important CD points.
Please, tell me more about how great you and Regfan are.
I'm not being funny, and I don't mean to insult anybody, but I fooled Regfan as scum in my
very first game
on site...so, yeah. Not buying what you're selling.
I don't give a shit how good you think you are and if you're trying to use that as some sort of weapon against me you're making a mistake.
Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.
It doesn't even matter whether it's actually a good strategy or not.
You're voting me (which suggests you think I'm scum) for placing high importance on something I obviously believe is of high importance.
Tokens actually influence alignment; your time-waste of an argument doesn't even come close.
In the case of Cheery, we are pretty much 100% that he used a scum token (if he didn't, he's probably scum regardless).
What if spending tokens 99% guaranteed you an alignment? 98%? Ok, Cheery is not confirmed scum. That's not the point.
I said he's twice as likely to be scum as everyone else. It will take a lot for him to stop being the scummiest player / best lynch. If he's town, I like to think I'm good enough that I'll figure it out and lynch someone else, but it's really hard for even the best scumhunter's reads to beat the token-odds.
I don't feel much impetus to continue this argument either. I think we should take tokens into consideration in our reads. You won't do that. Life goes on.
I do hope that by now you understand that I would take the tokens into account regardless of my alignment and will adjust your read accordingly, but I guess I can work around that too.
Your status on Elk is weird though. The only content-related comments you have on him are that you found some of his posts scummy, but you ultimately avoid voting him because "wagon is ugly" even though I, your favorite scumread, have been arguably his most influential defender. What specifically is wrong with the wagon on him? What do you think of his "sad TTH is leaving because teammate said TTH town will carry game" post? For somebody who hates lack of explanation, you haven't provided much yourself.
IIRC, my elk scum-read was quite early. Wouldn't attach much weight to it.
Yeah, you see Oversoul and Zach on that wagon? Plus Aeronaut who is doing pretty much nothing? Wagon is ugly. His wagon also started picking up momentum quite quickly which is usually a sign the wagon is on town.
I agreed with it...I thought TTH was fairly obvious town. It's an even stronger read now that Anti has replaced into that slot.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Zach
Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.
↑Llamarble wrote:
I really like winning, so I don't ignore game mechanics. If you want to be a scumhunting purist and ignore what the setup / roles tell you, fine, but it will be hard for you to get a really high town winrate. Also about half my posts, including the reads list you found so offensive, include behavioral reads with explanations. Other posts include behavioral reads I did not bother to explain at the time. I have also provided behavioral discussion of both Regfan and Cheery. Claiming I am basing my play solely on tokens / am not scumhunting is so obviously wrong it's hard to understand how you got there.
I also like winning which is where my hatred for set-up spec stems from.
I specifically pointed out the reads that I had problems with - Regfan, Zach and CD.
Basing your play
solely
on tokens is not what I said. I said your scum-read was based on token usage, you have built upon this since (only slightly), but that doesn't alter the fact it's based on token usage.
Tell me why CD is scum without using token-talk.
If CD isn't obv town or towning it up here, why shouldn't we lynch him? The mere fact that he used a scum token gives him a higher than random chance of having drawn scum. As far as day one lynches go, that's not the worst lynch choice in the world.
Zach I like to think we've wrapped up the token discussion on an agree-to-disagree note. Going further doesn't seem productive.
BBT: Cool; I don't really disagree about the Elk wagon though Aeronaut is my initial pick for the scum on it.
I'm not so sure about TTH:
↑Regfan wrote:The "game dynamic" element of the Ika weak scum read was something I didn't really like though which Empire also picked up on.
Nacho mentioned this as well (though it was more general - TTH's scumread on ika bugged him).
I would say TTH / AH being scum is plausible; will reread soon.
Well I mean I think this game would be well served on just ignoring BBT for the most part unless he does something ridiculously scummy. I mean he's voting me right now for god sake. He clearly doesn't know what's going on.
Well I mean you think token discussion is scummy and that I'm scum probably for not fitting your model of what town play is supposed to be. Emphasis on YOUR model.
Would love an explanation for your town reads on Psyche and Oversoul too.
↑BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Unexplained town reads need explaining. I'm not sure how unexplained town-reads are the most frightening thing for scum either...especially if one of your unexplained town reads is actually on scum.
