White Flag Mafia [TM2015] (Game Over)

[Zachrulez]

What's wrong with the jump on Elk?

Also I'm not an analytical player. So don't hold your breath on me giving explanations for the things I do.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.14

theelkspeaks (4) - Regfan, Aeronaut, Zachrulez, Oversoul
Cheery Dog (2) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Llamarble
Psyche (2) - Antihero, theelkspeaks
Llamarble (1) - Ankamius
Zachrulez (1) - BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting (3) - ika, Cheery Dog, Psyche

With 13 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

The deadline is Monday, April 13, 2015, at 9:00 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-04-13 21:00:00).

[theelkspeaks]

BBT and llama are town.

Psyche is still scum.

Waffling back and forth on Cheery Dog.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Too many people not doing things in this game.

PEdit - Why am I town, elk?

[theelkspeaks]

Specifically, the BBT/llama argument feels like 2 town players with contrasting opinions but both legitimately trying to get to the bottom of what the best way to lynch scum in this game is.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

See that Zach? ^^^

Not difficult.

Give it a try.

[Zachrulez]

That's all it takes to be town for you?

[theelkspeaks]

That's all it takes to be town for you?

Zach is scum.

[Zachrulez]

Saying it won't make it true.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's all it takes to be town for you?

Show me where I town-read elk.

I'll self-vote until the end of time if you show me where I town-read elk.

That's the second time you have tried to misrep me.

[Zachrulez]

Well if you don't think posting like that is town, then why do you want me to do that?

Like I could post something like Elk did there, very easily as scum.

You'd probably find my scum play town like, which is what is really amusing about this whole thing.

[Zachrulez]

You probably shouldn't hold up a post of someone you're not reading as town as an example if you don't want me to interpret it that way either.

[Zachrulez]

Like you sit here going MISREP MISREP MISREP without realizing that posts can be interpretted in multiple ways sometimes.

[Zachrulez]

Here let me post the logical thought process.

Specifically, the BBT/llama argument feels like 2 town players with contrasting opinions but both legitimately trying to get to the bottom of what the best way to lynch scum in this game is.

See that Zach? ^^^

Not difficult.

Give it a try.

I interpret that as being yeah, this is what I want from you Zach. Yeah man, this is what town does. Which promts this.

That's all it takes to be town for you?

You know because lack of posting like that is what's lead you to scum-read zach? So ahem.

Yeah I'm so misrepping up in here! WOOP WOOP!

... and the worst part is that I'm really starting to think you're town.

Elk's hop on to Zach suspicion was also opportunistically scummy.

[Regfan]

Zach, don't think interacting with BBT re; theory based things is worth it anymore, I've tried already and he's shown he's not going to listen. Also pretty sure he's town here so really nothing gained from talking with him over it for now. Much rather hone in reads elsewhere, still have too many weak town and null reads (Unlike Llama I'm nowhere near "I have this game solved feeling" yet and Empires p much at the "this game is hard, and bad" stage".)

Really don't like Elk changing from "I'm voting Psyche because my strongest town-read is" in Post 212 to Psyche is "still" scum in Post 352 as if to say he had a scum-read on Psyche initially which isn't the case also don't like the continued avoidance to responding to my points against him. Agree with Zach entirely that his recent lurking it reads like him attempting to wait out the wagon and hope that people go elsewhere.

As for Elk, I can totally imagine a 'Player X is really strong and can carry the game and looks town' post not immediately making it into the game and then being a source of disappointment when X trades out. I don't think 'Yay threat X is gone!' or anything similar triggers a post in thread. Just seems like a hard concept for a newer-seeming player to pull from nowhere.

What's the big kicker for me is the fact that other then the replacement comment we've had nothing from his team, no reads stated whatsoever, no comment of a discussion they've had about this game meaning the only time they've commenting on it involved a cross-game instance which I can see being discussed along different lines in a QT - don't think it's a hard thing at all to fake/change what the real comment was to "Damn we had him as town!".

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

(Unlike Llama I'm nowhere near "I have this game solved feeling" yet and Empires p much at the "this game is hard, and bad" stage".)

You know we don't have to actually solve the game, right? I'm just aiming to win it in three lynches and that seems pretty doable.

don't think it's a hard thing at all to fake/change what the real comment was to "Damn we had him as town!"

The point is sort of that he said something that feels quite a bit harder than that.

[ika]

ok heres an idea for you older folks and aeveryone

who do you fear as scum the most and town the most and why

[Llamarble]

I'm here and munching / reading. I think BBT has climbed to the top of the towniest townies pile. Confused by TTH townreads though; I have this feeling they might steal a spot on the scumteam.

[Aeronaut]

BBT tell me why elk is not any less scummy then phyce cus phyce is hard town to me right now and i have seen 0 scum hunting from elk so i find your reasoning to be flawed

What makes Psyche hard town?

Starting to get giddy feelings about Cheery + Ank + Aero scumteam. RAWR! Certainly I don't mind the three of them posting in a row after some worried discussion in their QT.
If the plan is to attempt a lynch on me before I cause too much damage, I almost want to link some of my past games to show you where that leads, but I'll settle for laughing evilly to myself.
I really don't think you'll even get a chance to start though - I'm expecting a Regfan post declaring me irreversibly confirmed town anytime now.

Hey Aero why don't you tell me about how Elk manufactured this:

*is sad about the replacement*

The replacement occurred after my teammate copper told me to say hi to TTH and that he expects TTH is town and can carry the game.

The *is sad about replacement* bit is actually what bothers me. It's sort of a guttish feeling, but idk I don't feel like he's quite with us there.

IIRC, my elk scum-read was quite early. Wouldn't attach much weight to it.

Yeah, you see Oversoul and Zach on that wagon? Plus Aeronaut who is doing pretty much nothing? Wagon is ugly. His wagon also started picking up momentum quite quickly which is usually a sign the wagon is on town.

I agreed with it...I thought TTH was fairly obvious town. It's an even stronger read now that Anti has replaced into that slot.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Zach

Not liking this switch off of your vote there. It's like you're trying to negate the scumread you had previously of him so that you can townread him later on.


I actually feel like there's probably one scum within the Zach, BBT thing. That whole fight feels forced to me.

[theelkspeaks]

That's all it takes to be town for you?

Zach is scum.

Since this wasn't clear to everyone, I'm saying that Zach's "Oh, so this is all I have to do to sell you that I'm town" attitude sounds like a scum indignant that it was that easy to get town-read by BBT and he still wasn't being.


As for my teammates, it's mostly been just copper and I looking at this so far. The scumread on Psyche is a combination of following my townread's read and copper's read. I wasn't convinced at first, but I'm feeling it more now than I was - though copper convinced me of it last night after my last post.

[Zachrulez]

That's all it takes to be town for you?

Zach is scum.

Since this wasn't clear to everyone, I'm saying that Zach's "Oh, so this is all I have to do to sell you that I'm town" attitude sounds like a scum indignant that it was that easy to get town-read by BBT and he still wasn't being.

It's like I'm on another planet.

[Cheery Dog]

ok heres an idea for you older folks and aeveryone

who do you fear as scum the most and town the most and why

Why are you chucking in random questions?

[Cheery Dog]

As for my teammates, it's mostly been just copper and I looking at this so far. The scumread on Psyche is a combination of following my townread's read and copper's read. I wasn't convinced at first, but I'm feeling it more now than I was - though copper convinced me of it last night after my last post.

Your first post regardling a townread on TTH was you posting that copper thought she would carry the game. I'm not sure if I'm convinced you have any of your own reads here.

[Ankamius]

Quick question for you Cheery Dog.

I don't think I've found enough town in anybody yet to do that. At least not until you asked. At this stage I think Pysche and Aeronaut.

Scum reads are probably Llama, BBT and elk.

Vote would probably be on Llama, but it's waiting on what may happen with his push on me before it's placed.

Has your reads changed since this post? If so, what has changed?

[Cheery Dog]

Not quite entirely reserved from there.