Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[T S O]

I'm more confident someone like Cheetory isn't fooling me, rather than you. On the same scale, I would be more confident you aren't fooling me than Tammy/Empire.

[Empire]

I woke up to find like 600 messages in my team's skype chat along with a big post from Regfan in our team PT so this is going to be a long day.

Marketplace III

Oh, I forgot about that game...probably because I was scum and didn't really put much thought in trying to figure out her alignment (even though there was a second scum team). I'll take a look at that game to see how she posted there.

2). I don't think it's fair to get after me for not knowing how you guys would use tokens. Yes, yu guys like town, but he likes scum. Why do you think I would assume you guys wouldn't distribute them fairly?

And why is it me belittling zar by saying thT I could see him taking a token when in Zara very first post he was talking about you guys' theory on espy putting tokens on scum? Why's am I belittling/discrediting/smearing for
Voicing my thoughts about Zara potential to get a scum token when it's purely innocent scum hunting for you to voice The same exact thing?

3). i just really don't get how any od this makes me scum. i don't get why I was supposed to have a reaction I can't imagine me having. Nacho made an honest mistake, which he probably kicked himself for when he realized it. You're acting like I was supposed to yell at him for making a mistake in a game.

I just feel like these points against me are fluffy and not alignment indicative at all and ignore what I actually put into the thread.

2) It has to do with the makeup of our team vs. his. Regfan and I literally want to die inside every time we get a scum PM in a game so I thought it was fairly obvious we would pool all of our tokens to ensure him and I were town in our respective games. Also, what would we have to gain from "discrediting" Espeonage? No offense to him, but I don't see him as a strong player whereas I can definitely see scum trying to "discredit" my team's slot in this game.

3) Just because you can't imagine yourself having that reaction doesn't mean we have to not imagine it (if this makes any sense). It was probably a wrong assumption but we expected your reaction to mirror ours. Not really finding this point remotely compelling at all though.

I have no idea what you're asking me. All I rmember with regards to Cdb that game was that I was convinced he was scum day one, he made me laugh by saying he was British when someone asked him why he seemed muted or something, we almost lynhced him but he self metad and it sounded really I then town read him and then he got mislynched anyway. I could be confusing him with the minilibrarian though.

And Empire, when it comes to CDB and The Wire, the only thing I really remember about CDB from that game was that he skated by for a while because of a really 'townie' reaction to some pressure he was getting. Ceph thinks CDB is town but I'm not seeing it. Still have to decide what my overall read is there though, but it will most likely not be based on meta.

One of the reasons I asked was because I am waffling super hard on that slot...I think it has a decent chance of being scum but every once in a while, he responds to accusations that he's not doing shit with posts like #755 and #1110 that seem really genuine and just give me that feel from The Wire where I'm like "hmm maybe it's a bad idea to lynch this guy, he could very well flip town". Also, I have a ton of respect for his team and I am afraid of losing them due to my own wrongness - though, I will say, it's really disappointing that they aren't contributing as much to this game as I expected them to.

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Starting to lose my confidence in the Gamma scumread (and looking at the PT, Regfan apparently is too), find his reactions to people stating scumreads on him genuine and the adamance with which he is stating the vezok townread looks like he really believes it. Which means I might be wrong about some stuff and there's still a lot of grey area so some reassessing is going to need to take place.

[ActionDan]

30 to 47 pages in a day. Why.

my observations in those 30 pages have been limited to scum reading gamma and thinking that shadoweh has produced just enough town vibes to make her likely town if the fact that it is likely she spent a token or two to be town is taken into account.

I don't think UT is scummy (yet not exactly bursting with toown flavor) though i can understand how other people arrived at that conclusion.

I don't have townreads / scummreads on anyone else really

[Gammagooey]

Starting to lose my confidence in the Gamma scumread (and looking at the PT, Regfan apparently is too), find his reactions to people stating scumreads on him genuine and the adamance with which he is stating the vezok townread looks like he really believes it. Which means I might be wrong about some stuff and there's still a lot of grey area so some reassessing is going to need to take place.

actually I can see myself pushing about that hard for vezok-town as scum considering that it'd basically be kind of trying to hijack the tell I'm using on him to make other people read me as town, though maybe not in the same way exactly. reactions are a fine reason to find me town though :3

also still vezok for boonage 2015

[ActionDan]

boon:shadoweh

Ur welcome

[hitogoroshi]

VC 31 (Minor Day 1, VC 31)

Boon:

This Minor Night, in addition to using a Minor Night action, target player may learn the Sign of any other player. This does not interact with any abilities in any way.

(4)

Marquis:

Marquis, Aronis, Titus, TellTaleHeart [L-6]
(2)

Tammy:

GuyInFreezer, DeasVail
(2)

vezokpiraka:

Gammagooey, Espeonage
(2)

T S O:

T S O, vezokpiraka
(1)

Shadoweh:

ActionDan

(8)

No Boon Vote:

Bulbazak, ChannelDelibird, Cheetory6, Empire, mastin2, Shadoweh, Tammy, Untrod Tripod

(Titus, TellTaleHeart, vezokpiraka, Espeonage, ActionDan)

With 19 votes in play, it takes 10 to Boon. Deadline is Sunday, April 5th at 9 PM CST.

Minor Day One Deadline

(expired on 2015-04-05 21:00:00)

[ChannelDelibird]

Oh, hey, speaking of my catch-up, GiF never got back to me about this. I think he should.

I won't pretend to have read more than my own entry in that list and the two at the bottom for now, but I'll definitely be coming back to it later.

I missed it.

And?

[Titus]

We need to close boon ranks soon enough. FFery if you think the candidates are terrible, let us know. Weekends tend to be slow on here. I will be out tomorrow..

Sunday at 7 PM is the boon deadline. If you want a new boon wagon, it better have a lot of strong reasoning.

If we haven't decided by Saturday/Sunday daybreak, boon should be cut further.

[Empire]

I forgot to post Regfan's thoughts regarding the boon'ing before I had to go off to lunch/job searching, so here they are. He says that's pretty much an overall negative since it's bad for a VT to have (can do nothing with it), bad for a PR to have (draws attention to that player thereby making it more likely they'll be killed), and for obvious reasons fucking terrible for scum to have. He's proposing using it on vezok (since he's obvtown and unlikely to die) and telling him to use the boon on a universal scumread and then outing the result next day phase(s), sort of like a second bane vote. Otherwise, don't use the boon at all.

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@Shadoweh:

How exactly does Bulbazak sound like Desperado from Wingate Mansion?

[fferyllt]

Great job ignoring the confirmed town you guys wanted to hand the boon decision to earlier.

[T S O]

Am I the only one who's actually scumreading vezok?

[T S O]

I mean, bluntness is kinda his stock in trade. He doesn't really do subtlety or nuance.

I'd prefer Cheetory to him.

[T S O]

ffery, we're waiting on your call?

[fferyllt]

I want input from my team but I'nm thinking boon vezok.

[DeasVail]

Great job ignoring the confirmed town you guys wanted to hand the boon decision to earlier.

If you want to tell me why I should not be voting for my strongest townread I'm open to that, but I'm not going to blindly follow you.

[fferyllt]

llamarble agrees re vezok. I think that Nacho will also when he gets a chance to look again.

[DeasVail]

Is there reasoning beyond thinking he's town that you're willing to disclose or not?

[fferyllt]

I have a ton of catch up to do sitewide because real life is kicking my butt this week. I'll firm up and explain my reasoning as soon as I can.

[T S O]

Deas, it appears the tide has turned on our respective bids.

A shame.

[Empire]

Hey, Tammy, whenever you get see this or have time, I'm talking with Regfan right now and he asked me to ask you for your current reads with reasoning.

[DeasVail]

I have a ton of catch up to do sitewide because real life is kicking my butt this week. I'll firm up and explain my reasoning as soon as I can.

Cool, no rush and I hope real life gets less butt-kicky.

My concern with vezok is that I worry people may be underestimating him as a scum player and are more comfortable with townreading him for that reason. I think he's town, but I'd really like to make sure this boon doesn't reach scum.

PEdit: Haha, I guess it has! I don't mind too much though. I think all 4 contenders are town, I just get paranoid!

[Empire]

Why does it feel like there's only about 6-7 people in this game?

Also, does anyone know if TTH prefers scum or is good at it? Regfan mentioned it in our convo just now and the swap might be something worth thinking about.

[Cheetory6]

Making dinner and homework, but I wanted to say my three favourite picks for booning right now are TSO, Titus and Deas.

Boon: Deas

for now.
Vezok doesn't look bad either but I have literally 0 experience with him.
Would be willing to sheep townreads there if we need a hammer and that's the only thing that's gonna take off.

[Shadoweh]

Boon: vezok

Please do not out the person's sign you read, Empire's idea is a terrible idea.
Ffery: I was just expecting you to follow that up, maybe vezok didn't sound like you'd made up your mind.
Dan, you are as always a chentleman. We're following ffery's preference today. I don't think she noticed I exist. </3

Empy: None of his quote strips lead anywhere and it's just a mound of words to look like he's doing something. I couldn't tell you what his actual read is on Deasvail and that was the main thrust of his quote strip.

[DeasVail]

Vezok doesn't look bad either but I have literally 0 experience with him.

Why does this matter and why are you comfortable with booning me if it does matter?