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[Boonskiies]

So wtf is an Oranje? Anywho, I'm confused on the sporadic/flaily like posts from Oran and three pronged. More inclined to vote three pronged but I could do Oranje.

[God of Power Outlets]

Gosh there's another player that needs to be lynched.

[BRantz]

Your case on Lihin is pretty good. I was hoping that Lihin would respond this afternoon sometime so I could decide one way or the other, but I'm not against Lihin as a lynch candidate at this point.

ANSWER THIS TOMORROW

Why are you using the need for Lihin to arrive as an excuse to not do anything today? Yeah, you were going to leave before long, but you should be trying to get all your thoughts out before that.

I wasn't, I was saying that I was hoping to hear Lihin's defense of the case against him before leaving, but I felt pressured to just leave by posts like 2940, and 2941 Though for the second I know Lucian said he was kidding, those weren't the only two posts basically trying to force me to leave. So I figured some number of people would rather I was gone than around for a while to talk and left.

Jesus, Drixx and Titus get a fucking room. (Drixx, you didn't actually give any really easy ways out, you gave "admit you are in the wrong" ways out, not the same thing.) (Titus, this seems like town Drixx from my experience with him.)

Though I am not a fan of Drixx's "woe is me" switch that seems somewhat out of character.

Boonskiies needs to start actually playing the game, I had a town read on him after his replace, but not really anymore.

Magua feels town.

TPTG is town.

Vyse,Titus, Drixx, Narn, ChriVi are town, in descending order of towniness. Lihin and copper feel like scum. No notable lean either way on the rest of you. By play alone the masons are null, before someone asks me why I don't have them in my list of town reads.

Isn't ChriVi your neighbor that you were basically calling Conf Town yesterday? How do you compute this with 3305? Here you put her at the lowest of your town reads, but yet say you know they are town there?

I am liking Cerberus less and less here (pages 132-133).

3300 Raises an interesting question. Seems like a possibility worth exploring.

Non game related note. Guerts is awful at being in a hydra.

Alright, apparently I'm not getting it, Cerberus and ChRiVi are neighbors right? So why do people believe they know anything about each other's alignments?

Molla is maybe town?

I am not a fan of the Commonwealth Quote walls, but do like some of their analysis.

He removed himself from the game, I know that however that wouldn't make him dead. Unless I've missed something.

My removing myself from the game makes me effectively dead until I return to the game the next day.

Okay, am caught up. Can we please just lynch Vonflare? Worst case scenario we get rid of a complete distraction. Best case scenario I am right, he is scum and coasting by on people calling him lynchbait.

VOTE: Vonflare

I would also be okay with lynching Deathfisaro, Cerberus, Boonskiies and to a much lesser extent Drixx because I didn't like how he devolved toward the end of yesterday.

Would be happy to talk about any of this in more detail if people want.

[BBmolla]

fuck it idc anymore

Oranje/Death/Vonflare/Boon

pick one and let's go

[BBmolla]

I think Cerb is town so not that one.

[Narninian]

So wtf is an Oranje? Anywho, I'm confused on the sporadic/flaily like posts from Oran and three pronged. More inclined to vote three pronged but I could do Oranje.

Are you not really paying attention or are you calling masons scum? important distinction here but either way its not looking good.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Goddammit, Skype. I keep forgetting I have quotes copied here.

Also, I had a weird dream this morning where I hydraslipped for the first time and was upset about it. Don't recall if it was this game, though.

Anyways, because I don't want to try to write some of this post up again:

A.) I don't think BRO should be getting this angry at narn. Irritated at the lack of game theory, but past that it doesn't seem that productive
B.) Wouldn't the whole Drixx v. Titus thing be settled if everyone (including myself, if I can ass myself to do so) checked back to there and looked at the context and timing of everything. If it's as simple as either of them say, we should be able to look at Drixx's wording and all to see if he was intentially trying to rolefish Titus specifically or just looking for extra votes in particular and that only those EVs should be claimed.

I'm wondering whether I should just claim now then drive a wagon or drive a wagon first and then claim at twilight. I'm leaning on the latter and it is Oranje wagon because I want to check whether Pika's claim of roleblocking Oranje D1 is truthful (although quite silly if you assume a typical night actions' resolution order) or is a means of distancing.

My role is not confirmable by anything other than my flip, the information I'm going to share is not related to the popular wagons of today but after the Oranje flip I'll find out if I'll be able to convince y'all to lynch BC.
As I said, I become VT at the beginning of D4 and if we don't nightskip I'll be eviscerated tonight so today's not a bad day to claim regardless.

Pretty sure it wasn't distancing. If Oranje's scum, it's not with Pika.

And yeah, what makes you think you'll be eviscerated specifically?

Gosh there's another player that needs to be lynched.

Amen to that, Your Tumescence (sp?)

fuck it idc anymore

Oranje/Death/Vonflare/Boon

pick one and let's go

Sure

Vote: Boonskiies

-Ivy

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Are you not really paying attention or are you calling masons scum? important distinction here but either way its not looking good.

Or he's using the fact that he's not paying attention as an excuse to call the masons scum and try to get away with it.

[Drixx]

BRantz, I don't know how to tell you this, but the only way out of a fight is for someone to lose. Titus chose to rage claim instead of losing because apparently losing face on a forum with internet strangers is too painful or something? How hard would it have been for Titus to say "Oh, I thought you were trying to get a town PR to claim and I didn't realize there were possibly scum roles that could mess with votes like that."? Not hard at all. But Titus got angry and raged. Now, despite me clearly saying from the start that I didn't want to prompt anyone to claim, despite me asking folks to simply self vote so we could see who had the extra votes, Titus refuses to even

consider

that I might be telling the truth.

What motive did I have to lie about what I was trying to accomplish? Titus' entire case that I was rolefishing fails for lack of any motive for me to do so. Lihin flipped town so I clearly wasn't trying to derail that wagon as Titus originally posited. You can read my posts and see me saying I didn't want a role claim.

It's like I said before. Titus can say the sky is green until she is blue in the face. That won't make the sky green. Titus can ignore the facts {me pointing out what I was concerned about, the possible scum shenanigans in play, me explicitly saying I didn't want any town roles to claim} and continue to call me a liar all game long and say I was role fishing. That doesn't mean I was role fishing.

Sooner or later I'm going to get killed (or the game will end) and Titus will see that I have been honest about my role, and thus it will be indisputable that I was operating from a town motive ... and she will

still

call me a liar and refuse to just give a simple "my bad" and move on ... because for some incomprehensible reason, she cannot admit to having made a mistake.

You've played with me enough BRantz to see me say "My bad, I screwed up" ... that's part of mafia. Nobody plays perfectly and gets everything right. It just doesn't happen. The most dangerous thing for town in mafia is a town player who is unwilling to consider that he might be wrong.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Boonskies

[Boonskiies]

My role makes it highly likely that what you are claiming is actually in the game.

Aww man, I didn't get to use my ability. haha.

I'm just going to claim before some flash wagon starts up...

I'm a Town Skeptical Cop. If no mafia flips before Day 4, I lose my inspection. Which is why the first quote I put, in regarding to BBmolla's claim is why I believed his role is actually in the game. As it fit well with my skeptical. Also, I didn't use my ability Night 1...due to my inactivity...which I stated at the beginning of Day 2.

During Day 2, I also stated I can't read Copper...so he was my target, and I got the result that he was..."not mafia".

[Boonskiies]

Also, I'm have no clue what's going on in this game, as I need to catch up still. But hopefully I'll just get NK'd, if not, Day 3 will be much easier for me to catch up.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: vonflare

[Narninian]

*another* cop? and this one is hoping to get nightkilled?

Confirmed investigators (cuz you know dead)

Jackel - Public tracker (sounds strictly better than 'normal' tracker?
Marquis- neighbor cop
Maqua - delayed watcher
Copper - 1 shot supertracker

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Alive and solid
Ozgin- Pointed out very specific information regarding Ika, and there was no reason to bus him at that point

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So boonskies is claiming to be a cop that had no action day 1 and just happened to have investigated a dead person day 2.
I'm having a hard time with the claim, but I'd still rather not lynch him today simply because he *could* be telling the truth.

[Cerberus v666]

Brantz: I meant ascending, not descending. That's just me being stupid. ChriVi is conftown. And not talking nearly enough for the only player who I'd be willing to sheep.

[Boonskiies]

*another* cop? and this one is hoping to get nightkilled?

Confirmed investigators (cuz you know dead)

Jackel - Public tracker (sounds strictly better than 'normal' tracker?
Marquis- neighbor cop
Maqua - delayed watcher
Copper - 1 shot supertracker

---------
Alive and solid
Ozgin- Pointed out very specific information regarding Ika, and there was no reason to bus him at that point

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So boonskies is claiming to be a cop that had no action day 1 and just happened to have investigated a dead person day 2.
I'm having a hard time with the claim, but I'd still rather not lynch him today simply because he *could* be telling the truth.

Sadly, it's not the first time I've epicly missed some Night Action deadlines...

[Oranje Crush]

Can confirm, Boon is literally this bad.

[Oranje Crush]

Friendly Neighbor, which I am very familiar with thank you, has an investigative purpose to clear or conform someone.

"Investigative" means "targets another player and returns alignment-related information," not, "reveals information regarding it's alignment."

By your logic an IC and masons are investigative PRs.

[Oranje Crush]

So wtf is an Oranje?

I don't know how to explain this.

There are these things called cognates. They are words in other languages that you should be able to figure out because they're almost the same as the English word.

This one is pretty obviously one of them. Especially given the whole fact that we're named after a soda/chemical weapon.

[Oranje Crush]

Actually I don't reasonably expect any of you to know what Agent Orange was so never mind that chemical weapon part.

[Oranje Crush]

A.) I don't think BRO should be getting this angry at narn. Irritated at the lack of game theory, but past that it doesn't seem that productive

lol.

Anger being productive.

10/10

[Oranje Crush]

Are you not really paying attention or are you calling masons scum? important distinction here but either way its not looking good.

Or he's using the fact that he's not paying attention as an excuse to call the masons scum and try to get away with it.

Okay.

Boonskies isn't NEARLY that smart.

[God of Power Outlets]

Actually I don't reasonably expect any of you to know what Agent Orange was so never mind that chemical weapon part.

Do you seriously think I wouldn't know what agent Orange was? Does any part of my personality suggest I wouldn't understand mass-carcinogenic-defoliation?

Fun fact: one of the islands that they tested the stuff on isn't too far from my hometown and it's been off-limits for 40 years

[Titus]

Friendly Neighbor, which I am very familiar with thank you, has an investigative purpose to clear or conform someone.

"Investigative" means "targets another player and returns alignment-related information," not, "reveals information regarding it's alignment."

By your logic an IC and masons are investigative PRs.

No. There is no night action that reveals or sends information with IC and Masons. If there was, I would call them investigative.

[Titus]

Actually I don't reasonably expect any of you to know what Agent Orange was so never mind that chemical weapon part.

Do you seriously think I wouldn't know what agent Orange was? Does any part of my personality suggest I wouldn't understand mass-carcinogenic-defoliation?

Fun fact: one of the islands that they tested the stuff on isn't too far from my hometown and it's been off-limits for 40 years

Seconded. My father served in Nam. He made real sure I knew what it was.