8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[Metal Sonic]

The vigging plan is immensely pro-town. If we have two town lynches in a row, it means we can't block effectively enough to get a scum lynch. At that point literal random chance is better than what the town can do. And airing it on day 1 is immensely pro-town. Trying it on day 3/4 when the scum can effectively choose whether to "agree" or "disagree" based on selection is awful. If someone says "great plan!" on day 1 and then on day 3 is like "How awful I'd never do that" then at least we'd have a shot.

That's strong, town analysis.

No. That's not strong, town analysis in the slightest. That is just pure setup spec and/or setup strategy taken directly from the book of "Optimal Town Play in a Nightless". It's just telling us how to play the game as town. It's just being like an IC in Rome with general information. Unfortunately, roles are randomized.

So, it is not "strong, town analysis". It is "useful general information". That is different, because this information is effectively null. Your attempt to paint it biasedly as a pro-town action is reproachable.

Furthermore, I may or may not have already pointed out that Hoopla's ISO is devoid of relevant content. There is no analysis related to the game, no scumhunting, nothing. Arguably, all her posts have been filler on "How to play a Nightless as town". We don't need an encyclopedia, we need a town member that is able to scumhunt. Currently, Hoopla is not displaying any of these desired traits.

Because it's town analysis. Shit you could do before you even got your role PM.

You have already highlighted this yourself. It is 'analysis' that 'you could do before you even got your role PM'. You have just admitted that Hoopla's posts could be done before she even got her role PM. Also known as a null action. So, how is it remotely possible that it is

"town" analysis

?

This, dear class, is a textbook example of a self-contradiction. Distressingly, there are possible scum motivations for such a contradiction, which is regretful to hear from GreyICE.

The vigging plan is immensely pro-town.

I haven't even gotten to the point where have repeated 3 times that I strongly disagree with this "vengeful plan". That, could just be my opinion. But my above two points against GreyICE should be precise.

Don't consider that spot one of my town reads. Still like my current vote, mind you.

Fortunately, this is a fair conclusion. However, this ostensibly means that the points against you, by ABR, and even Kagami and Sotty, regarding the inexplicable Hoopla townread, holds true.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lemmie guess, I help you vote sotty, and then I get my wish on GreyIce?

No. I'm not interesting in cutting deals about future lynches.

Guys...work with me here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not interested in lynching our most active players and turning this game into a swamp.

[Metal Sonic]

Not yet... events have unfolded recently which require a specialized force and urgent attention.

For example, Prior to this:

Time's up, guys. I stepped back to let the game breathe without me and nothing happened. Hoopla never posted, Sotty didn't contribute, wgeurts and ZZZX V/LA, Zar not caught up. Absolutely nothing.

Let's get this underway and end this day.

Vote: Sotty

The Sotty wagon was.... suddenly gone?

Votecount 1.7

Seraphim (4) - Metal Sonic, Sotty7, Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE
Kagami (3) - wgeurts, ZZZX, Nachomamma8
GreyICE (2) - EddieFenix, Kagami
EddieFenix (1) - Hoopla
Hoopla (1) - Seraphim

Not Voting (1) - Zar

wgeurts is V/LA until 4/7.

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

We gotta figure this out before we close the case. The situation isn't clear by a long shot.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sotty has done nothing in this game. There's far too much resistance to her wagon for her to be town. Work with me. Anyone.

[EddieFenix]

I know, MS. It's why I refuse to move my vote.

[Metal Sonic]

There are a couple of other inconsistencies in the game that will cause you distress when I point them out.

1. GreyICE was hard championing the Sotty wagon earlier today. Now, he has taken a back seat, and you have taken lead on this front, effectively pushing it for him.

2.

Seraphim (4) - Metal Sonic, Sotty7, Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE

Not only is the Sotty wagon gone, GreyICE was swift to sheep you (and me) on the Seraphim wagon, abandoning his bloodlust for Sotty. With this naked vote:

Vote: Seraphim

3.

G Ice, actually, I'd like you to tell me why Hoopla isn't a great lynch right now. It seems to me that she is.

He never actually responded to this. However, many of his posts prior to your call-out on #336 were lauds and praises for Hoopla's "town" analysis.

4.

My town read on GreyICE was gut and the fact that it looked like he was scumhunting which can be very hard to fake. But that cognitive dissonance between calling sotty's scumgame legendary and then calling her a pathetic lying sack of shit later...hmmm...that was not something I saw initially so I'm glad you pointed it out. Especially since what you call his best point has been what I see to be the weakest part of his play, namely his entire push on the token thing. I think the tokens are tenuous at best, incredibly misleading at worst. Also, consulting with my team, they are a lot more unsettled with GreyICE than I am, so I guess I should look more into that seeing as your case is fairly convincing.

Unvote

This guy.

5. Nacho is unusually lurky in here!



We have reached the first chapter of a detective novel, ABR. Holmes and Watson have to figure this crime out, and the plot is looking to be more complex that I have anticipated earlier.

[quadz08]

Votecount 1.8

Seraphim (3) - Metal Sonic, Sotty7, GreyICE
Kagami (3) - wgeurts, ZZZX, Nachomamma8
GreyICE (2) - EddieFenix, Kagami
EddieFenix (1) - Hoopla
Hoopla (1) - Seraphim
Sotty7 (1) - Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting (1) - Zar

wgeurts is V/LA until 4/7.
ZZZX is V/LA until 4/5.

Hoopla has been prodded.

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

[Metal Sonic]

He never actually responded to this.

Well, actually he JUST responded to it. And I accidentally shot it down. Whoops.

[EddieFenix]

Figure you would catch your own mistake, MS. Especially after doing a sentence by sentence analysis of the quote itself.

[Metal Sonic]

c:

[GreyICE]

Yo metal sonic, you're town and all, but try reading 100% of my posts before responding. It stops posts like the above.

[GreyICE]

By the by, I'd say Eddie would be pretty funny ball-less, but what's the difference?

[GreyICE]

Vote:Sotty

Literally none of the resistance to this wagon comes from town reads.

Although Seraphim was still a good vote.

[EddieFenix]

By the by, I'd say Eddie would be pretty funny ball-less, but what's the difference?

Bravo -slow clap-.... Did you're scum pals write that one for you?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Eddie you've got some serious tunnel vision going on. What's your teammates saying besides G Ice is scum?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Tell me specifically who says what please.

[Metal Sonic]

Yo metal sonic, you're town and all, but try reading 100% of my posts before responding. It stops posts like the above.

Already did, and that's my interpretation. You are welcome to argue in a civilized manner if there are any uncorrected mistakes.

[GreyICE]

It's more how I actually try to outline my thought processes: thus it's easier to learn by reading to the end and answering, rather than responding to paragraph 1.

[Metal Sonic]

I responded to the entire post.

[GreyICE]

...

[EddieFenix]

Tell me specifically who says what please.

Kagami is suddenly absolutely convinced I'm scum, but willing to hang Sotty first, because he likes my points on tokens.

Nope, but nice try. Sotty is town, you are not. The reason I'm ok with lynching sotty is that there's otherwise zero chance in this gamestate of lynching you, the actual scum. For strange cosmic reasons, a lot of people think you're town and they simply can't all be partners. Once you're lynched, your team has no prayer. As you correctly stated, this setup is a snowball-fest.

And please point me to when I "suddenly" became convinced, because I had you as scum on my first read through.

Bulba's theory is that the scum team is made up of 3-4 strong players. We're looking at Grey Ice, Hoopla, and POSSIBLY Nacho (because this type of play from GI is not making sense if nacho is not on their team). Bulba thinks they are playing a Capcom chaos style game by hard town reading one another and that GI's plan would work wonders for scum, because even if one of them gets hit, they could pull off a win.

I'll dig into my team PT tomorrow for more. Bed for now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes, I read that post already and it doesn't say anything about Sotty or Seraphim. What does Who say?

[EddieFenix]

Who's replacing out. Sotty is town and apart of our ideal town block (MS, Kagami, ZZZX, Zar, and Myself).

[Albert B. Rampage]

That makes no sense. Why do you believe Sotty to be town? She's provided little to no content.