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[Cerberus v666]

Deathfisaro: You put "Vonflare is not a werewolf" in quotes. You did not put investigation proof in quotes. Is that or is that not the result you received, verbatim or paraphrased to have identical meaning, or is that an inference you made based on the result?

[Titus]

@Death, I am not inclined to believe you. I was and still am townreading Bulba. I want you to answer Cerebus's question before I explain why.

[Narninian]

I don't buy that both Death and Boonskies's claims are real.
That being said, I have no idea which one is telling the truth.

[Titus]

I don't buy that both Death and Boonskies's claims are real.
That being said, I have no idea which one is telling the truth.

I will review Boon's claim here. Rather inclined not to believe Death though.

*vagueness alert*

Look for what you do not see.

[Titus]

Yeah Boonskiies was posting in other games as he forgot about the deadline in this one.

I believe that even less than Death's claim.

[BBmolla]

Boon and death may both be scum on opposite teams

Would explain the insane amount of investigative prs

[God of Power Outlets]

Can we stop going "oh so and so claimed cop so they must be town" please? The only confirmed town are those who are dead and the only townies who have the ability to be truly confirmed while alive is me or Toon if the other one gets killed. We are speculating on three factions now correct? Why can't those factions have investigative roles too? If a player is playing scummy (like Boon, and death) their claims means jack and shit.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

No one is calling anyone town for cop claims, T-Bone?

[God of Power Outlets]

I just feel like every time someone claims an investigative role there is a collective groan and everyone just stops.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

That's actually likely, but I'm not sure if it's because of their reads turning to town because investigative PR.

Actually, Bulb and I are waiting on Death to respond to the questions Cerb and I posed to him. Then we can sort things out from there (assuming he posts in the roughly 6 hours I'll be gone for work; Bulb may or may not be caught up by then to answer, but he is aware of death's claim).

[Boonskiies]

Yeah Boonskiies was posting in other games as he forgot about the deadline in this one.

I believe that even less than Death's claim.

Lol, how? I believe it makes even more sense. I was overwhelmed. Haha.

[Boonskiies]

Do you believe I would make up the skeptical modifier? I mean, let's be honest. I'm not familiar with that kind of stuff. I play Mini Normals mainly.

[Boonskiies]

Also, why the hell would I say I missed it instead of making it up now?

[deathfisaro]

Deathfisaro: You put "Vonflare is not a werewolf" in quotes. You did not put investigation proof in quotes. Is that or is that not the result you received, verbatim or paraphrased to have identical meaning, or is that an inference you made based on the result?

About vonflare:
Not "Vonflare is not a werewolf", but "vonflare is not a werewolf."
With a dot at the end together is the exact precise absolutely accurate investigation result letter by letter (including capitalization), symbol by symbol (without the quotes obviously). Why would I put things in quotes if I'm not referring to expressions worded exactly as how I wrote them? If I'm paraphrasing I most likely put things in single quotes.

About BC:

Why in the world would town be cop proof? Either it's BC's power or their teammate has a power where s/he can choose a person to be investigation proof every night or something.

The former, actually. Although I call bullshit on us being "cop proof". That's just exaggerating your result (or lack thereof). And there are town roles that can prevent cop results.

Why did you pick vonflare? And you're a daycop, then?

Explained by himself. If you townread BC, believe him and that he claims a very pro-town role that hinders town investigations.
I, on the other hand, need evidence to suggest cop proof town is as common as the other base roles which are BPs, trackers, cops, roleblockers, masons, vig/vengeful, commuter, whatever else I missed. Although modified, these base roles are extremely common that even I have exposure to almost all of them so far (first time playing in a game with masons, and pre-set neighbourhood although I've played in a game with neighbourizer before).
I can't even google it to see how common it is because I don't know what it's called.

[deathfisaro]

Continuation of above (same quote) but to a different audience.

@BC
I messed up day and night acronyms in my target choices in my previous post, those should be N1 and N2.
And I picked vonflare because up until last night I thought I was a faction specific cop, not an SK cop. At the beginning of D2, we saw the new kid on the block get both incinerated and eviscerated. I almost immediately linked incinerate with volcano mafia (scum1, hinted by Molla miller claim) and eviscerate with werewolf (scum2, hinted by my role PM). Seeing a delayed NK at the end of D2 didn't change my view of the factions, I thought the nuking from orbit was SK with some other random flavour.

If you don't believe it, just lynch me. Boonskiies still gets to investigate if his claim is true since we've seen scum flips (although I already stated why I don't really buy his claim), I on the other hand become VT regardless of whether we successfully lynch a werewolf today or not. (Unless you have some extremely convincing facts to suggest werewolf SK faction made up of 2+ people)
So if you don't believe 2 claims equally, best worst case scenario is me. And that's fine. I'll just join a couple smaller games where I might draw scum or SK or whatever other fun thing that's not VT.

[deathfisaro]

@Boonskiies
Don't flip out, I never said we should lynch you, but I said your claim is still fishy.
You don't have to make up a fake role yourself because in a vanilaless game I played before, every single scum player was entitled a fake role PR created by mod when requested.
Such fake roles will be both safe (you're not claiming something that might actually already exist and get counterclaimed and die) and is in line with design concept of flipped roles so far. Like how nobody bought Jackel's pedantic tracker claim because it was out of everyone else's role design concepts which are modifications of very common roles. Another reason I don't buy BC's 'oh I'm town, I'm just immune to cops' because that doesn't line up with everything else.

Since you already claimed, just produce a target and result at every daybreak, what's so hard about that?

[Boonskiies]

I actually believe this proves me more town than anything.

[Boonskiies]

Also...my claim can't be bad since it's actually my role...LLL.

[LucianRoy]

I don't buy that both Death and Boonskies's claims are real.
That being said, I have no idea which one is telling the truth.

We could flip a coin.
Naw, but in all seriousness, this game is a little overwhelming. Most of it has to do with people writing books all the time.

[deathfisaro]

Boon, why would you randomly claim cop for nothing? You're just drawing NKs onto yourself. You were in no danger of lynch, your skeptic's already taken care of, you have no success result, I have no idea why you'd claim like that.

Also, so much hypocrisy in Lucian complaining about people writing books

[Titus]

Yeah Boonskiies was posting in other games as he forgot about the deadline in this one.

I believe that even less than Death's claim.

Lol, how? I believe it makes even more sense. I was overwhelmed. Haha.

You were so overwhelmed to send a simple PM but could post many posts on the 18th which is the day we had to send stuff off. Yeah, that's real plausible you were overwhelmed.

[Titus]

@4013, I don't believe you Death because you aren't allowed to quote the mod.

Also, where's the push on Bulba if you found out he was investigation immune. Isn't that something like miller that needs to be claimed early to be believable?

[Titus]

You find out someone's holding back investigation immune, I'd expect a push of somekind from you d2 death. Yet, you didn't push shit.

[Cuttlefish]

Vote Count 3.05

Oranje Crush (5)

- BBmolla, Narninian, vonflare, LucianRoy, deathfisaro

deathfisaro (3)

- Toon Fighter, Oranje Crush, Three-Pronged Trouser God

Boonskiies (2)

- ActionDan, Bulbasaur Commonwealth

vonflare (2)

- BRantz, PeregrineV

Om of the Nom (1)

- Drixx

Not Voting (5)

: Ozgin, ChriVi, Boonskiies, Cerberus v666, Om of the Nom, Titus

With 18 votes in play, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-11 10:14:33).

Om of the Nom and Ozgin are being replaced.

ActionDan has been prodded.

[deathfisaro]

@4013, I don't believe you Death because you aren't allowed to quote the mod.

Also, where's the push on Bulba if you found out he was investigation immune. Isn't that something like miller that needs to be claimed early to be believable?

I didn't quote the role pm, as in using the quote feature. That'd be against site rules even if you fake it. But if people can't quote mod pms like type out what it says, any cop guilty (or any PR claim with a role name) is modkillable which is absurd.
But if typing out letters from a pm is indeed what it's meant by

2. You may not quote your role PM, you may not quote any other PMs from me, and you may not quote the time at which I sent you any PM.

then I guess I'm getting modkilled and you'll see how genuine everything I said so far is. If that's the case, I apologize for ending the day prematurely. Might want to control Molla wagon size to trigger the nightskip then.
The vote count is up but I'm not modkilled yet so I'm not sure whose understanding of the rule is right and whether I'll be sacked for claiming the way I did.

The point about investigation proof should have been claimed prior to N1 I definitely agree on, since what BBMolla did is exactly the same line of play, and is very pro-town if you're actually town.
Saying it as a response to someone who's hard committed because of the investigation result would definitely look like a poor excuse in any context.

You find out someone's holding back investigation immune, I'd expect a push of somekind from you d2 death. Yet, you didn't push shit.

With no certainty of existence of protective roles and with Narninian's kill redirect logic I didn't expect to survive N2 if I were to open claim D2. I think I have played middle of the road sufficiently enough to be not a likely candidate for NK N2 (and the fact that I'm alive right now is proof that I have played how I should have played?), and I was not going to throw away almost guaranteed safe N2 investigation in exchange for a push.
Also investigation proof doesn't necessarily guarantee werewolf, painting a large bullseye on my back from the werewolf faction when BC could be any of the 2~3 non-town factions didn't seem like a worthy tradeoff by my standards. I thought I had a really good chance of finding scum if I were faction specific cop. It just sucks the day I found out I'm a SK cop is the day before my skeptic deadline.