↑ deathfisaro wrote:Lol I must be scum for targeting an unconventional JK. Perfect argument, I can't win against that, let's get the wagon going everyone, whoever's not voting is scum.
I miss copper, who has the brain to reason. Drixx used to be such too, but not in this game. I wonder why *hint hint*
You're not scum for targeting us (to be frank, considering who ELSE is in this hydra, investigating us N1 was a GOOD idea...or would be if not for the fact there were honestly far better people to check N1 because we weren't strong D1; N2 would've been better). You're scum because you were pushing the false narrative that we were somehow "investigation proof" when in fact you just got no result because of our role. We would've bought that you were being a little overeager on this, but when you didn't come back and change your tune from "investigation proof" to "no result" we knew you were just bullshitting.
↑ Drixx wrote:That's a really bad play deathfisaro. Town should never self vote as it screws up any analysis of the wagon afterward.
Also, you got counterclaimed and the situation is an either/or. Either you are lying or the BC hydra is lying. If you were town, you should be thrilled to trade 1-for-1 to get scum yeah?
All of this post, btw.
↑ Cerberus v666 wrote:Neutral - vonflare-lurkingish <<< people think he's scum. Remind self why.
Almost strategic lurking wherein he tries to go with the flow of things (very blatantly at times, with some of his sheepvotes) while staying back. Some of the times where he's active and aggressive he seems almost ridiculously dumb going about it (like his push on OC).
↑ Cerberus v666 wrote:Scum - Bulbasaur Commonwealth (Bulbazak & mastin2 & Voidedmafia) - neutral, moved to scum after claim. Lots of WoQ type posts, but IIRC, not much PRESSURE on people, in spite of taking the time to isolate things which interest them and reference back to said things. Feels like specious participation, without active hunting.
Well, we pushed copper all of D2 and the latter half of D1, I helped push Lihin yesterday. Yes, both flipped town so if you want to say we pushed the wrong people go ahead, but yeah. (I am admittedly more of a passive pusher, so I'm not going to personally (as in, this specific hydra head) hold that against you.
↑ Cerberus v666 wrote:BC's claim isn't a counter claim. It's admitting a reason why his power didn't work, and was also a fairly terrible play in a no pressure environment(again) of someone with a role that makes them immune to a kill just outing themselves, and thus creating more WiFoM for us when they don't die. It was terrible, and not a town play.
You're missing something, Cerb. Neither bulb nor I would've had a problem with Death's claim if he said "no result" (which should be the actual return from investigating us since JK protects and RBs the target). If that was the case it'd fit with your statement of admitting why [death's] power didn't work.
However, the problem comes from the fact that Death claimed that we're
investigation immune
. The first part of it is that it is a clear exaggeration of his result without accounting for the possible reasons or roles that could interrupt investigations that aren't Invs.-immunity. The second part is that, despite given the opportunity to revise what he had, he did not change his stance on us. I will revise an earlier statement I made, as no one actually asked him to confirm what his result on us was (dammit, I haven't learned from UB1 after all <_<), but the fact remains that he pushed us as being II without much to back it up.So, since it apparently wasn't done before, I'm doing it here now: Death, I want you to pull up your D1 investigation PM (or ask Cuttles for it), and I want you to confirm: Was it "Investigation Immune" or "no result"?
Titus also raises a fair point. Investigation Immune, if with town, is something like a Miller that needs to be claimed as early as possible. I know Venus or Bulb would post as much if we had that. There is also the fact that you didn't try to push this yesterday. Yes, I'm aware you might've had us as a scumread, but you didn't really push us on it (and don't even try to call me on hypocrisy here, Cerb). Not claiming was fine because I wouldn't claim after one result, but not pushing us as a hard scumread is rather telling. The self-pitying self-vote isn't really helping, either.
ALso, Cerb, the argument about pressure isn't really a point. Death is claiming something that goes against what we know our role does. Why should we not jump on him for that?
↑ deathfisaro wrote:It just boggled my mind I had to come back.
BPs are shot limited, probably 1 shot. So when it comes to worst, scums just have to shoot them twice over two nights, or let them live but kill everyone else for the win.
With 1 scum from each faction gone, you need 2 or fewer town alive for scum endgame. How are they going to kill 2 NK resistant and 1 NK proof and win? If all three are town, this game was broken from the design and we all wasted our time by actually playing it.
Also, looking at cerb's last post not everyone's made up their mind as to which kill flavour belong to which faction (as in scum or SK). I think my role suggests a clear setup, and I don't know why Drixx hasn't made up his mind yet because he supposedly has the same amount of info to work with. Heart not in the game?
He might be, given D2.
Though, if all scum have sussed out which of Drixx and Dan were immune to each other, I'd think the non-BP'd team would shoot that BP player. Although, with Dan being such a non-entity it's actually okay to leave him be for now.
