We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Titus]

That makes zero sense.

My gambit was to catch as many scum as possible by poking at my role. That doesn't mean I wanted to out as not treestump on day fucking 2. I expected it to last a lot sooner.

Yet, rolefishing scum got in the way.

Oh now I'm pathological.

Sorry. I don't make shit up. I strategically gambit, and very rarely do that. You like big words. Here's a big word for you, obfuscate. It's what you're doing.

[Drixx]

Also, Titus, please don't insult the entirety of town when you're the one being irrational. Disagreeing with you doesn't indicate a lack of logic.

Let's see here,

Do the same thing... you all argue I should expect a different result...

That's the very definition of insanity and irrationality.

What part of the indisputable fact that past games and circumstances have absolutely zero impact on present or future games involving different people and different setups escapes you? I'm embarrassed for you by how badly you just mangled what Einstein was saying. Please don't quote once in a generation intellects if you don't actually understand what they were communicating.

[BBmolla]

If anyone is scum out of this it's Bulba btw

[Titus]

Cooper had a brain and backed off. Cooper was town.
TPTG partially backed off when I highlighted this, I'm not certain they are scum but the townread got weaker.
You insist on painting me as scum or anti-town, you're scum.

[Titus]

If anyone is scum out of this it's Bulba btw

Yes the one town with a proven functioning brain is scum... *sigh*

[Titus]

Also, Titus, please don't insult the entirety of town when you're the one being irrational. Disagreeing with you doesn't indicate a lack of logic.

Let's see here,

Do the same thing... you all argue I should expect a different result...

That's the very definition of insanity and irrationality.

What part of the indisputable fact that past games and circumstances have absolutely zero impact on present or future games involving different people and different setups escapes you? I'm embarrassed for you by how badly you just mangled what Einstein was saying. Please don't quote once in a generation intellects if you don't actually understand what they were communicating.

What part of

Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is insanity do you not understand.

The fact people don't realize you are scum is literally driving me insane. I've been TRYING to bite my tongue and play along but I can only tolerate stupidity for so long.

[Drixx]

The only thing you did was convince me with your original claim. The presence of so many protective roles implied a strong anti-town setup, so a role which could destump and have a single day vote swing seemed like it made perfect sense.

Now that I think of it ... vote manipulation roles tend to be scummy. Hrm. In any case, you are on the record in the thread as a confirmed liar, so that's really all there is to it for me. You're a Policy Lynch. All aboard!

[BBmolla]

If anyone is scum out of this it's Bulba btw

Yes the one town with a proven functioning brain is scum... *sigh*

I don't think the leap to "HE DIDN'T SAY ROLEBLOCKED HE SAID INVESTIGATION IMMUNE HE'S SCUM" is a bit silly.

If deathfisaro was like Reck or some shit I'd get it

But I think it's a silly leap.

[Drixx]

Also, Titus, please don't insult the entirety of town when you're the one being irrational. Disagreeing with you doesn't indicate a lack of logic.

Let's see here,

Do the same thing... you all argue I should expect a different result...

That's the very definition of insanity and irrationality.

What part of the indisputable fact that past games and circumstances have absolutely zero impact on present or future games involving different people and different setups escapes you? I'm embarrassed for you by how badly you just mangled what Einstein was saying. Please don't quote once in a generation intellects if you don't actually understand what they were communicating.

What part of

Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is insanity do you not understand.

The fact people don't realize you are scum is literally driving me insane. I've been TRYING to bite my tongue and play along but I can only tolerate stupidity for so long.

And yet you tolerate yourself remarkably well, apparently. That seems to be rather contradictory to your statement there. Still haven't explained why your story changed. Which version should we believe?

[Titus]

The only thing you did was convince me with your original claim. The presence of so many protective roles implied a strong anti-town setup, so a role which could destump and have a single day vote swing seemed like it made perfect sense.

Now that I think of it ... vote manipulation roles tend to be scummy. Hrm. In any case, you are on the record in the thread as a confirmed liar, so that's really all there is to it for me. You're a Policy Lynch. All aboard!

What protective roles? Reflexive Jailkeeper.. yeah Bulba can protect himself. Nightskip, not really much of a protection. Kill redirector, great... there's ONE. Not a lot.

[Titus]

@Drixx, Saying my story changed, doesn't make it true. There's only one story that should be believed. The one that ends with your noose. Maybe you're as good as town as Mathblade, but I doubt it.

[Titus]

If anyone is scum out of this it's Bulba btw

Yes the one town with a proven functioning brain is scum... *sigh*

I don't think the leap to "HE DIDN'T SAY ROLEBLOCKED HE SAID INVESTIGATION IMMUNE HE'S SCUM" is a bit silly.

If deathfisaro was like Reck or some shit I'd get it

But I think it's a silly leap.

Look at Death's ISO for Day 2.

Find me an indication that he investigated Bulba and he came back anything suspicious. Then I'll entertain this.

I did look by the way. I highly doubt you'll find anything.

[Cerberus v666]

The only thing you did was convince me with your original claim. The presence of so many protective roles implied a strong anti-town setup, so a role which could destump and have a single day vote swing seemed like it made perfect sense.

Now that I think of it ... vote manipulation roles tend to be scummy. Hrm. In any case, you are on the record in the thread as a confirmed liar, so that's really all there is to it for me. You're a Policy Lynch. All aboard!

What protective roles? Reflexive Jailkeeper.. yeah Bulba can protect himself. Nightskip, not really much of a protection. Kill redirector, great... there's ONE. Not a lot.

There's also a macho cop. That indicates there is likely at least one more. A commuter and BP individuals are also things scum can't just easily shoot to get rid of.

[Drixx]

@Drixx, Saying my story changed, doesn't make it true. There's only one story that should be believed. The one that ends with your noose. Maybe you're as good as town as Mathblade, but I doubt it.

Do you suffer from a memory deficit? Do you need me to ISO you the rage post where you lamented how I had blown up your big "plan"? First you had this big plan that I had somehow ruined, and now you're claiming to have really been running a gambit all along, and all that rage posting was just pretend.

Liars gonna lie, apparently.

[Titus]

@Drixx, Saying my story changed, doesn't make it true. There's only one story that should be believed. The one that ends with your noose. Maybe you're as good as town as Mathblade, but I doubt it.

Do you suffer from a memory deficit? Do you need me to ISO you the rage post where you lamented how I had blown up your big "plan"? First you had this big plan that I had somehow ruined, and now you're claiming to have really been running a gambit all along, and all that rage posting was just pretend.

Liars gonna lie, apparently.

That's a misrep.

The rage was NEVER fucking pretend.

My plan was to catch more than two fucking scum at best. I needed more time to do so.

As the deadline got closer, I could catch more and more scum and make sure we got an extra lynch.

[House]

VOTE: Drixx

I don't even need to read the entire thread to feel good about this vote.

[House]

@Titus: 2 questions:

1) Is there an updated list of claims? (Subjective statements on the viability of such claims are welcome)
2) Who do you think I should check tonight?

[House]

I found your list on the last page. Is that all of 'em?

Also, is there a list of cop-checked/cleared players?

[Drixx]

Spoiler: Vote Counts

Vote Count 2.01

Oranje Crush (2)

- Narninian, Toon Fighter

LucianRoy (2)

- Om of the Nom, Drixx

Titus (1)

- Three-Pronged Trouser God

copper223 (1)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth

Pirate Ika (1)

- Ozgin

Ozgin (1)

- deathfisaro

Bulbasaur Commonwealth (1)

- VysePresident

Not Voting (16)

: Pirate Ika, Oranje Crush, ActionDan, ChriVi, Boonskiies, PeregrineV, vonflare, Cerberus v666, BRantz, LucianRoy, Magua, Titus, Lihin, BBmolla, copper223

With 25 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-02 10:05:14).

@mod: is there a reason we can't have full flips?

Yes, giving full flips would be a significant balance shift that we did not plan for.

I've amended rule I to include the clause in parentheses:

I. This game will use no factions other than what is considered normal (town, mafia, werewolf and serial killer).

Vote Count 2.02

Pirate Ika (4)

- Narninian, Ozgin, Three-Pronged Trouser God, Oranje Crush

LucianRoy (2)

- Om of the Nom, Drixx

Oranje Crush (1)

- Toon Fighter

copper223 (1)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth

Ozgin (1)

- Pirate Ika

Bulbasaur Commonwealth (1)

- VysePresident

Cerberus v666 (1)

- Magua

Not Voting (14)

: ActionDan, ChriVi, Boonskiies, PeregrineV, vonflare, Cerberus v666, BRantz, LucianRoy, Titus, Lihin, BBmolla, copper223, deathfisaro

With 25 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-02 10:05:14).

Pirate Ika

-

Berlin Undercity Mafia Modified Roleblocker

- Shot through the heart day two.

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Vote Count 2.03

LucianRoy (3)

- Om of the Nom, Drixx, Cerberus v666

Oranje Crush (1)

- Toon Fighter

Bulbasaur Commonwealth (1)

- VysePresident

Cerberus v666 (1)

- Magua

Not Voting (18)

: ActionDan, ChriVi, Boonskiies, PeregrineV, vonflare, BRantz, LucianRoy, Titus, Lihin, BBmolla, copper223, deathfisaro, Narninian, Ozgin, Three-Pronged Trouser God, Oranje Crush, Bulbasaur Commonwealth

With 24 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-02 10:05:14).

Vote Count 2.04

Lihin (7)

- Oranje Crush, LucianRoy, Cerberus v666, Drixx, Om of the Nom, Boonskiies, deathfisaro

Oranje Crush (3)

- Toon Fighter, BBmolla, Narninian

Bulbasaur Commonwealth (1)

- VysePresident

Cerberus v666 (1)

- Magua

Not Voting (11)

: ActionDan, ChriVi, PeregrineV, vonflare, Titus, Lihin, copper223, Ozgin, Three-Pronged Trouser God, Bulbasaur Commonwealth

With 23 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-02 10:05:14).

Lihin has been prodded.

Removal of players during the day phase will not reduce the lynch threshold.

Based on the VCs, there's zero foundation for any double voters, much less multiples. Pika votes Ozgin and its one vote.

First Titus lie. This is when she was still trying to maintain the original claim lie.

VOTE: Drixx

I fucking warned you.

I was never a fucking treestump. I knew scum would be pissed at an unkillable player. If you had kept your fucking mouth shut town could have won any and all ties since scum would not shoot someone unfucking killable. Any scum faction would need two scum alive with me to have won. But now, you blew it and I will be in the graveyard soon enough. I also could have "unstumped" at will if BBMolla lied about nightskipping, hence why I wanted him alive. If we did not get an extra day, I would just double vote his ass. Literally, scum could not have won if you had not pushed that shit.

I structured my claim to draw scum suspicion to me. After all, what scum wants to deal with an unkillable townie who actually can fucking vote them at critical junctures? None. Scum come after me at that point.

TPTG opened with a vote on me I largely ignored because he never questioned my being a treestump. So his posts were not an abject failure.

You on the other hand walked into shit. Mounds of shit.

Time for you to fucking die.

@Drixx, all my planning for a town victory is out the fucking window. At least I can get your fucking head though.

Oh and that's total bullshit.

Yes, confirm there's funny double voters and I will stop fishing for said double voters. That's a load of horse shit stinkier than 1000000 million diapers in a landfill.

This tunnel will be a Titus tunnel the likes of which have never been seen on mafiascum, sc2mafia, darklordpotter, USMB, Magoc the Gathering forums, or anywhere else I have played mafia.

You cost the town an auto win. Unless you have a hidden IC, I will make it my mission to fucking murder you and have your petal wings drape across the floor.

Actually drawing attention to the vote count was a poor move because it was not too hard to guess who had the double vote once you realize that there's a double voter.
If someone noticed before you, and no discussion came out of it, probably have been good to just let it slide.
If that person made a scene about the vote numbers not matching, it'd be his problem. But you made it your own.

Usually, yes. But I cannot be a town doublevoter immune from all fucking night kills. That's so fucking broken that even a six year old would know it's brolen.

How do scum win? By killing the townies or lynching them? What do you do about an unkillable townie that can out vote you? Nothing. That cannot exist.

So as long as I was hidden, town auto fucking wins. If I was outed and it was obvious like you said; there's no way the treestump illusion would have held.

My BBMolla plan depended on me being available at mylo to secure said extra lynch.
My tiebreaker depended on me being there at a 1 v 1 scenario.

That cannot happen.

Why can that not happen? Scum rolefishing.

Several posts where Titus is going apeshit on me for ruining some "plan", which is obviously different than the current bullshit she's spouting.

Do I need to show you more of your lies Titus? I mean ... there's this neat little function that lets me just go look at all your posts and it only took a few seconds to snag a few very obvious things that completely contradict the bullshit story you're now trying to sell.

[Cerberus v666]

I found your list on the last page. Is that all of 'em?

Also, is there a list of cop-checked/cleared players?

My list has everything I believe. Along with events which were significant, I believe, and it's within the last couple pages.

[Drixx]

VOTE: Drixx

I don't even need to read the entire thread to feel good about this vote.

Cool. I've been waiting to die ever since my possible role utility fell to nearly nil. Dead I am confirmed honest and Titus will be on display for the liar she is. Please, by all means, get as many people to join you as you can. I tried to encourage people to lynch me to test Titus' "theory" that Lihin and I were scum buddies, but all of a sudden Titus got cold feet and insisted on Lihin first. Lihin was, of course, town.

[Titus]

@Drixx, you do not understand my plan at all. You're just throwing out words like bullshit and quoting posts. I can quote your BP post and type the word bullshit. That does not make it so.

It was autowin or scum claim. I got scumclaim. Damn me for wanting autowin.

@House,

I will update the list.
Also, duh check Drixx.

I'm suspicious of all the cops who didn't check Drixx because a cop "clear" on Drixx stops this entirely. Yet no one wants to tie their mast to a sinking ship.

[Titus]

VOTE: Drixx

I don't even need to read the entire thread to feel good about this vote.

Cool. I've been waiting to die ever since my possible role utility fell to nearly nil. Dead I am confirmed honest and Titus will be on display for the liar she is. Please, by all means, get as many people to join you as you can. I tried to encourage people to lynch me to test Titus' "theory" that Lihin and I were scum buddies, but all of a sudden Titus got cold feet and insisted on Lihin first. Lihin was, of course, town.

You obviously were whiteknighting. Tis ok. Occasionally I am wrong based solely on behavior.

You see me trotting out behavioral reads again since, no. I'm sticking to setup.

House knows the play I pulled. Maybe he can explain it better than me. *shrug*

[House]

House knows the play I pulled. Maybe he can explain it better than me. *shrug*

Just link to it.

[House]

I found your list on the last page. Is that all of 'em?

Also, is there a list of cop-checked/cleared players?

My list has everything I believe. Along with events which were significant, I believe, and it's within the last couple pages.

Thanks.

Are you scum?