We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Titus]

I'm backing away from the keyboard now for a bit.

[House]

VOTE: deathfisaro

[insert clothing here]

[LucianRoy]

Hat buddies for the win!

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Also, Titus, please don't insult the entirety of town when you're the one being irrational. Disagreeing with you doesn't indicate a lack of logic.

Let's see here,

Do the same thing... you all argue I should expect a different result...

That's the very definition of insanity and irrationality.

I believe the

correct

argument is that you shouldn't assume that because it worked there, it worked here as well. Gambler's Fallacy, probably.

Did you do the gambit in question? Probably, yeah. I'm not really gonna argue that. Did it work? You can assert it did, but we aren't gonna know until Drixx dies. What needs to stop is you crowing about how you're successful, and for DRIXX to stop acting so fucking whiny.

If anyone is scum out of this it's Bulba btw

Out of what, specifically? The stuff with death, or Drixx v. Titus?

Only the former I actually get.

I don't think the leap to "HE DIDN'T SAY ROLEBLOCKED HE SAID INVESTIGATION IMMUNE HE'S SCUM" is a bit silly.

Again, him making the leap isn't scummy. Him persisting in that despite being given the chance to re-assess what he got is.

The fact he didn't push this at all D2 is also a thing. I mean, if you think that I'm both A.) Inves. immune and B.) not a town role because of that, why would you not hard push it? (note, death, I'm also not saying here that you should've investigated me twice, but that if you REALLY thought that I was on the scummy side of things, where's the push?) Unless he only just thought I was scum because of that today, which is more problematic.

It hasn't been weeks of this. It's been a few days of us going back and forth. Me chilling trying to work with people. Me reaching out to House who may get this. You imploding again. I'm fucking trying to be rational but scum cannot do that.

This is also why I'd probably vote Drixx over Titus, all else regarding this being the same. As irritating as Titus has been with her moonlogic this game (or even this day, much less yesterday), she has been trying to talk to others and work with them (...for a given value of "work", anyways).

You, Drixx, have not. Yes, you gave reads on some people, and yes, you're interacting with others, but it's almost like an afterthought or something. Maybe not to the point that you're all "rageatTitusrageatTitus oh, wait, I should talk to others, here. rageatTitus", but there's just a lack of talking

with

others instead of

to

.

Case in point: Lihin. Titus stopped long enough to talk about others and eventually help lynch Lihin. You essentially continued to rant about Titus and didn't do much else besides throw a pity party.

Actually, Drixx, I do think you should do that whole readwall thing she's asking for...I mean, I did it, when you asked me to. Of course, I tend to keep a text file with all my thoughts constantly updated, so I just had to format it for presentation with ordering the names and such and adjusting for recent changes in my thoughts.

Oh, yeah, you never did do that, Drixx. Even when both of us asked.

(Okay, maybe not that many more pages, but I feel this is getting too long.)

-Ivy

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

It says ChriVi is confirmed town. Hell, I'll full claim now because why not?

But no pressure?

Quick question... how exactly would a miller claim work in multi-ball?

Like... that claim doesn't even make sense to me in this game.

Faction-specific or general. Easy.

See Hilariously Unbalanced Mafia 2 for an example.

Yeah, but I don't get a binary result. So no, it doesn't make sense to me.

Umm...so you're saying you're getting something along the lines of "Target X is Town/Mafia1/Mafia2/SK/etc"?

(Minor rolefishing, I suppose, but I'm honestly confused.)

Why would he make up a faction cop on werewolves? Makes no sense from a scum perspective. Mine will be confirm-able. Also, unless he's a Role Cop and Role Cop'd me in an attempt to eventually mislynch me, I find it highly unlikely he is scum, due to us basically having the same role, but for different factions. The fact that he's not even pushing for my lynch pretty much confirms him as Town for me.

...You didn't even read his 4224, did you?

Well, that was surprisingly little.

-Ivy

[House]

Yeah, but I don't get a binary result. So no, it doesn't make sense to me.

Umm...so you're saying you're getting something along the lines of "Target X is Town/Mafia1/Mafia2/SK/etc"?

(Minor rolefishing, I suppose, but I'm honestly confused.)

My results aren't restricted to a single faction. I can get results for either.

[Cerberus v666]

It says ChriVi is confirmed town. Hell, I'll full claim now because why not?

But no pressure?

Quick question... how exactly would a miller claim work in multi-ball?

Like... that claim doesn't even make sense to me in this game.

Faction-specific or general. Easy.

See Hilariously Unbalanced Mafia 2 for an example.

Yeah, but I don't get a binary result. So no, it doesn't make sense to me.

Umm...so you're saying you're getting something along the lines of "Target X is Town/Mafia1/Mafia2/SK/etc"?

(Minor rolefishing, I suppose, but I'm honestly confused.)

Why would he make up a faction cop on werewolves? Makes no sense from a scum perspective. Mine will be confirm-able. Also, unless he's a Role Cop and Role Cop'd me in an attempt to eventually mislynch me, I find it highly unlikely he is scum, due to us basically having the same role, but for different factions. The fact that he's not even pushing for my lynch pretty much confirms him as Town for me.

...You didn't even read his 4224, did you?

Well, that was surprisingly little.

-Ivy

Well, I kinda ran out of plans for usage of my role actually, so I didn't see much reason to not claim. ^^ and I wanted to support the masons a bit.

[Titus]

@Cerebus, your role essentially helps detect balance. Investigating BBMolla should help tremendously in that regard. We get to know that Volcanoes are Game Molla. Berlin is game Not Molla. We know which one the masons are. We can then narrow from there. We can suppose the faction specific cops, if both are honest, are in separate games.

@House, you realize that your role detecting any faction essentially puts you in the multiball game or is a scum claim right?

[Titus]

That's not totally confirmed but it would be problematic if you were in a non-multiball game house.

[House]

@House, you realize that your role detecting any faction essentially puts you in the multiball game or is a scum claim right?

And?

[BRantz]

Jesus... are we really just having the Titus/Drixx argument all over again...

House is almost certainly town. What does the Macho passive do?

I am good with a Death lynch here. Worst case scenario we learn a lot about a few players.

VOTE: deathfisaro

[Titus]

Brantz - Macho is a passive modifier meaning he cannot be healed or protected in any way.

[deathfisaro]

Titus, Boon is a cop and I'm a seer. Since both scum factions flipped human, I must be an SK cop. "SK cop" would be far more accurate than "faction specific cop." Skeptic part you got right =P

My role title

is

"Town Skeptical Paranormal Investigator"

and my 2 abilities are

Seer

and

Skeptic

.

I thought you might need a reminder of my role title so nobody does 'WTF he didn't flip SK cop' BS. (Somebody do an inside joke after my flip please, since I can't bah )

And gee, I apologize for not reading 24 people correctly in the first 2 days and landing on a lone SK within 2 nights. Given how many died and when, I had ~9.2% chance of finding a werewolf before D3 and realizing my identity as a SK cop instead of a faction specific mafia cop definitely helped my chances. I'm terribad.

Also the moment we mod-confirm the existence of SK, which would probably come as a flip of said SK or a successful role cop on the SK, I become VT.
So saying my SK cop is BS because no SK died so far is counterintuitive.

Oh and to help VCA let's get one more scum (hopefully) on the wagon
UNVOTE:

[Titus]

Faction Specific whatever. The point is you check only one faction.

By the way, how would you know there's a rolecop in this game death?

Yeah, here's some ice. Slip on it.

*watches*

Thank you.

[deathfisaro]

Ozgin(House)? Duh

[Titus]

Nah House is not a rolecop. Not even close.

House would only confirm Werewolves are in the game.

[Narninian]

well, a lot of activity here.

I'm a little confused about how Death vs. Bulb's claims are inconsistent - it seems to be they could both be telling the truth (or somone lying) but the claims themselves are not in conflict, that being said - I am skeptical on both skeptics.

Unvote: Oranje

VOTE: BBMolla, I think the nightskip is still a good plan

[deathfisaro]

Also the moment we mod-

confirm the existence of SK

, which would probably come as a flip of said SK or

a successful role cop on the SK

, I become VT.

Nah House is

not a rolecop. Not even close

.

House would only

confirm Werewolves are in the game.

So you know exactly what I wanted to say. What was the point?

[Titus]

The fact you are trying to stretch House to being a role cop is hilarious.

He never claimed rolecop. Nothing like it.

[deathfisaro]

Well then I misremember his role. Whatever the correct role name is, you know what I mean.

[Titus]

LOL. He's a Private Investigator. He gets alignment only. He's literally the exact opposite of a role cop.

[deathfisaro]

Nah House is not a rolecop. Not even close.

House would only confirm Werewolves are in the game.

Why do you need to identify the role of a werewolf when the alignment is confirmed?

[Titus]

It's not to me.

#Communistsarejustaredherring

[vonflare]

Hey sorry, but im going to have to request replacement.

I'm really busy currently.

Again, sorry!

[Drixx]

Did you mention that earlier? @Molla

He did, at the beginning of the game.

Then that was long before Drixx's claim...
Drixx, your bullet proof is immune to a certain faction? Yes.
Is it immune to town shots as well?

Asked and answered.

For fucks sake, this game makes me wish I was dead already but then Drixx would never be lynched.

What's stopping you?

This already feels like this one game I played a couple years ago. It was a role madness game where everyone picked a number (ties moved to the back, the higher number you picked, the earlier you got to pick a role, if your role was taken before your pick, you were vanilla). I took the special random role (thinking it would be something interesting). I got odd-day village idiot.

How hard is it to die as a VI right? Nope ... I lived all the way until LYLO, which was on an even day, so the mafia couldn't even bribe me with my wincon, and I had long since worked out who the mafia was (it was pretty obvious for the last couple days of the game who was who and that the game was going to come down to a town, VI, scum LYLO). I gave the win to town in hopes of killing off a "Policy Lynch all Neutrals because they always betray town" sentiment in that playgroup.

I don't think it helped.

This feels an awful lot like that, except I might actually get a win out of being stuck in hell for weeks.

It's amusing to see claims lists and all that and no talk about which claims might be true and also be scum roles, or anything like that. There clearly has to be scum left right? The kill flavor mystery is still something of a mystery. There's the nuked from orbit (Could that be a volcano lair mafia kill flavor? Volcano shoots a rock up into the sky and comes down on someone or something?). There's incinerated, which I assumed was volcano lair's kill flavor until a volcano lair mafioso died from it. There's evisceration which I am fairly sure is from a werewolf 3rd party at this point (talk about having a low utility role being BP to the SK), but could still belong to the berlin underground.

There's loads of stuff still to sort out and figure out, and some of that might actually result in finding scum. Wouldn't that be fun?