Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[TierShift]

I would be okay with either kat or cabd lynched.

[Magua]

Vote Count 1.16

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Katsuki (4): Iecerint, Lady Lambdadelta, Cephrir, TierShift
shos (2): Rhinox, Katsuki
Cabd (2): xRECKONERx, pirate mollie
Cephrir (1): shos
TierShift (1): T-Bone

Not Voting (3): notscience, Cabd, copper223

V/LA: Iecerint (April 8th), T-Bone (April 10th)

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, April 15th, at 12:00 noon EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-04-15 11:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-	49
Cephrir	-	48
copper223	-	50
Iecerint	-	50
Katsuki	-1	49
Lady Lambdadelta	-	52
notscience	-	50
pirate mollie	-	50
Rhinox	-1	47
shos	+1	53
T-Bone	+1	51
TierShift	-	49
xRECKONERx	+1	52

[pirate mollie]

cupcake where did you go

[Cephrir]

He's hanging out in the scum qt waiting for cabd and shos to come back

[Cabd]

Oh for fuck's sake you two.

[Cabd]

Just because I don't have the time I used to have (moving and living with somebody does that) doesn't mean I'm lurking.

Here's why copper is scum:

He goes for an early townread on me. He does this against the grain (reck) while not actively hardpushing cabdtown.

Then he slowly starts to work his way towards "lurky cabd scum" because of meta. (I'll get back to meta in a moment)

Then when I show up, he immediately reverses course and town reads me.

Here's the thing. This slow fade on, off, on to gain acceptance is what he did as scum to me in a newbie I replaced into.

Given the speed and the lack of reasoning, the back off of "cabd is scum" was pre-meditated. Town does not per-meditate a read change unless gambit, and copper's not the gambit type.

I thought this was obviously my reasoning based on my prior post but I guess not.

Here's the other reason this doesn't work: Copper is also a meta guy, right? So why would he cite meta as "towncabd not lurk" when "lurk" has been my quote unquote default state ever since I moved to Chicago (5 months ago now!) and that happens in both towngames AND scumgames he's been in with me?

[TierShift]

reference?

[Cabd]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=60439 <--newbie I replaced into as town, copper scum
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=60271 <-- cabd scum, copper town
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=60022 <--both town

[Katsuki]

cupcake where did you go

just had to sit through a 3hr business meeting and my brain is tired as fuck

[Katsuki]

>tried taking a selfie
>looks like i got lipstick on
>gg

[Katsuki]

um that wasnt meant for this thread = =

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Was it meant for the Trans thread~?

:3

[TierShift]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=60439 <--newbie I replaced into as town, copper scum

Here's the thing. This slow fade on, off, on to gain acceptance is what he did as scum to me in a newbie I replaced into.

I don't really find this in the reference.

I have an opinion on this, but let's hear what copper says.

[Katsuki]

Was it meant for the Trans thread~?

I'm very comfortable with my masculinity and sexuality thanks~

[shos]

OK some I'm awake and sortof fully functional. I decided to firstly read up the entire thread and only then comment, whether it is page by page like I did before or just generally.

[shos]

I'm starting my read at page 8, where I stopped earlier.

[shos]

The whole p8 discussion about prior roles looks stupid as hell. there's nothing to be learnt from that, and I have no idea why it is even done. notsci's evasive answers make me icky, but they're all irrelevant so I'm not going to give that too much weight.

@Rhinox 202: the 'if any' is key. this can be paraphrased in more details as "I am not supporting a policy lynch, but even if I did, I don't see how *who* is the target over *notscience*, since he is hated."

@notci, 203: what was the purpose of you lying there, knowingly? are you really hated or are you lying tehre too?

LLD's 206 sounds like genuine disappoint. I feel you too btw, but my rage went off after getting the *first* town role pm :/
but why is the vote on me?

@218: what was bad in that at the time? I did claim my prior role, and got a single scumread and two townreads which I think I explained; I don't see how this counts against me?

And why do you bring it up like 13 posts after LLD voted me?

ignore cuz 223

It's a better choice than blindly pursuing something I'm not fully confident in myself to the point where it will likely become a tunnel that won't stop.

What do you think of shos? Comments were made early about people potentially using the claims to avoid doing anything, his ISO doesn't really do much even though he never claims. He has a fair amount of posts, he declares two townreads and a scumread but that's about it.

I think his decision to try and put attention onto the mysterious scoring thing in our current game state is suspicious.

Can you elaborate please on this? I mean is that what made you vote me? I'm a mathematician, wherever numbers are I'm focusing. but regardless - why would you NOT try to figure out the score thing? this is public knowledge which probably can affect the game somehow somewhen.

lol@222 ceph
that post is like me when I'm scum

223 is a good post with town mindset imo. I think this post alone legits a mild townread on NS.

@ceph's longpost @me 245:
1. I don't think the mods are shit. But in general, most mods don't shift mindsets completely between games in this regard. As a mod myself, I know that usually my fakeclaims don't change in shape. That means, I don't, say, one time give full fakeclaims, one time give only name, one time tell them give me something and I'll build for you. It's often the same.

2. You know what, I'll revoke my statement there, yes. you calling it pointless would be worth the vote and all, exspecially gamestart, but then the fact that you cooperated shows that this was not intended to actually stop this from happening, and rather was just a statement of your thoughts, after not-so-deep thinking.

3. the idea was that he brought that up, which, supposedly can only help town; and then it's like he's trying to force a weak townread on himself at a super early gamestate because of it. the word I'm looking for is suggestion. Town would bring it up for the information it may give; that post looked like a 'hey look what a townie thing I did, how bout you townread me for it?'

4. disregard.


Ceph, I asked you in 249 what was the purpose of the intentional badposts in gamestart and you haven't answered it, it seems, but it matters no more. The reason I did this was because I often start games with acting scummy to pull reactions and start the game quicker. I'm saying this because I saw people are scumreading me, and it has to be because of gamestart play because I practically wasn't here for like three days so.

Can you explain to me what made you *confident* that I am scum in 253?

Rhinox, can you explain to me 252? I quoted those because these are important details to remember. and clearly you haven't seen me try hard as scum, lol. If you'd like I can dig up some scumgames for you. I had only 2 in like, the last 123 years.

TS, I was falling behind on the game. I was not oging anywhere with this, I was just trying to catch up and work with anything that seemed workable. Why do you avoid taking a stance on it, and just ask questions? This looks a lot like the buddybuddying you've done to me in prior games. I know I'm a sucker for this so I'm trying to be aware for these shits nowadays

T-Bone, asmuch as I like you defending me and/or townreading me(or was that Reck? :/ ), could you please elaborate?

(btw I'm on page 11 if you guys aren't following)


HOLY SHIT MOLLIE YAAAAAAA <3
but seriously, Tbone's reaction is assholish >_>

@Copper 267 - why is him "returning" to lurkmode makes him "increasinly scummy"? how is that alignment indicative?
and re: who - nope? why would he be?

NS's 269 sucks loads of butt. PLing a lurker all of a sudden?

oh for the love of god TS and copper you two need to shut the fuck up I'm tired of reading you


I'll keep commenting soon, I wanna eat some.

[shos]

meanwhile this is worthy of being done
UNVOTE: Ceph

(btw, did anyone investigate the score thing yet? does unvoting and voting trully work with it? we can test this very easily if everyone cooperates)

[copper223]

Just because I don't have the time I used to have (moving and living with somebody does that) doesn't mean I'm lurking.

Here's why copper is scum:

He goes for an early townread on me. He does this against the grain (reck) while not actively hardpushing cabdtown.

Then he slowly starts to work his way towards "lurky cabd scum" because of meta. (I'll get back to meta in a moment)

Then when I show up, he immediately reverses course and town reads me.

Here's the thing. This slow fade on, off, on to gain acceptance is what he did as scum to me in a newbie I replaced into.

Given the speed and the lack of reasoning, the back off of "cabd is scum" was pre-meditated. Town does not per-meditate a read change unless gambit, and copper's not the gambit type.

I thought this was obviously my reasoning based on my prior post but I guess not.

Here's the other reason this doesn't work: Copper is also a meta guy, right? So why would he cite meta as "towncabd not lurk" when "lurk" has been my quote unquote default state ever since I moved to Chicago (5 months ago now!) and that happens in both towngames AND scumgames he's been in with me?

The comparison is really forced as you were not being scumread when you replaced in the other game, why do you think I would do the same thing is also a mystery to me. I explained my Cabd read in detail, here it is again: I initially thought the previuos game roles could be usefull for this game, I already know some are the same because my role is similar to one mentioned in a previous game which is pretty specific and makes me believe this setup is not so different, after Reck brought up the IIoA and you started lurking like you did in Poe, and as I said I saw you post in Rome, I started to look at it from scum's perspective and it also makes sense as an approach to rolefish, hence my change towards scum, in your latest post, which I replied to and you ignored, I explained what made me question Cabd scum, the amount of research you are putting in the copper read seems to indicate a genuine effort to try and read me.

Now substantiate your BS, what posts were shallow and why would you consider it scummy for me?

[pirate mollie]

not lynching shos!

[shos]

Continuing.

current status:
probtown on Ceph
probscum on NS
null-scum on TS
Reck town (added this later)

no other definite reads that I can remember.
~~~
I stand by my townread on Reck.
copper's posts make me sit in unease but as of my own 281's first part(which is right lol) I think I'm just going to flag him as pure null.

Ceph, have you read 281's part that is directed at you? probably commented on it in the future (lol python joke, anyone?) but from the skimming I recall your vote still being on me, so this still stands.

@284 - the idea is not that I agree/disagree with that post at all. I think it's wrong, yes, but that is irrelevant, because the reason I think it is wrong is information that I think a townie may not think of, ergo, this can come from a town mindset. note that I said I *CAN* see how this..etc, not I *THINK* that this..etc. The idea is that it is not a "OH YOU MUST BE TOWN", and rather a, "oh you may be town after all". and yeah, of course these stuff can be faked, everything can be faked. I'm very good as scum, you don't have to teach me. GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE TUNNEL. this is not a me-building-up-for-scumreading-you (I'm not, as of now, in case you missed), this is NOT ABOUT YOU. so it does not even matter if you said this too.

also you need to lrn2quote, *Sigh*, or at least bold what you write inside quotes of others so I know what YOU wrote.
I deserved what? I brought to myself LOADS of votes in thought that I can easily prove myself as town by claiming Inu?Yasha. Hence, I tried to provoke everyone all the way. What eventually happened was that a counterwagon formed for me, and it was on scum, surprise! and then I vigged more scum, etc etc. doesn't matter anymore. I'm pretty sure that if you try and look up my meta you'll find this in MANY games.

if you're town, take a step back, calm down, and look around, it's not a cave, it's a tunnel. get out.

@TS and Ceph; no, I can't *convince* you about that post, it is my gut that says that this comes from a townreck, ok? good. last time I checked it's not like anyone ever gave a reason for why Reck is scum, at all, so why the fuck would I need to be defending him?


can anyone the fuck explain to me why cabd is such a hot topic despite not being there? same goes for me, I guess, in the future?

also, I'm very thorough and paranoid at mylo/lylo!

LOLOLOLOL
you know what I'm talking about baby <3

stress relief XD



TS: 294
"Oh yeah T-bone is a great place to apply pressure"
*votes someone else*
??????????

Ceph, explain mollie townread @307? she barely posted, and this is not enough to distinguish between scum and town mollie through meta.

and what the hell is going onw ith you on p14? :/ I'm really trying to get a good grip with my read on you but you're like a sine wave wtf


I'm going to make an ISO of the VCs and collection of all votes and unvotes to see how stuff go in them. perhaps it's progressive.

NS' 344 is not only parroting of multiple others but also actually uses the same words used by cephrir I think
That slot goes up the scum rank, I think.

Reck keeps being town but

RECK,

why the fuck townread notty for that? he just sheeped you, that's enough for a townread?

will continue from page 15 after lunch.

[shos]

also, I'm very thorough and paranoid at mylo/lylo!

current status:

still null but probtown on Ceph
scum on NS
null-scum on TS
Reck town?

[Cephrir]

Well this is an improvement innit.

@ceph's longpost @me 245:
1. I don't think the mods are shit. But in general, most mods don't shift mindsets completely between games in this regard. As a mod myself, I know that usually my fakeclaims don't change in shape. That means, I don't, say, one time give full fakeclaims, one time give only name, one time tell them give me something and I'll build for you. It's often the same.

You are probably correct about fakeclaim types being consistent, but rolenames are unlikely to be indicative of alignment here.

Ceph, I asked you in 249 what was the purpose of the intentional badposts in gamestart and you haven't answered it, it seems, but it matters no more. The reason I did this was because I often start games with acting scummy to pull reactions and start the game quicker. I'm saying this because I saw people are scumreading me, and it has to be because of gamestart play because I practically wasn't here for like three days so.

Can you explain to me what made you *confident* that I am scum in 253?

They weren't intentionally bad. Just intentionally rawr. 251 is the answer to this.

You were my top scumread at that point and I felt very good about it, it is that simple.

why do you think I would do the same thing is also a mystery to me.

You can hardly avoid occasionally doing something you've done before. We may have keyboards and brains but we're still creatures of habit.

Ceph, have you read 281's part that is directed at you? probably commented on it in the future (lol python joke, anyone?) but from the skimming I recall your vote still being on me, so this still stands.

I have since moved it actually, while continuing to express a scumread on you. I addressed most of 281 in 284, but I assume you refer to the InuYasha reference which I did gloss over. I don't tend to use meta too heavily until I've played with someone personally and preferably more than once. I don't think I mod-suspected you in InuYasha, so there must be differences. Of course I knew everyone's alignment, but I still would read town posts sometimes and think they were scummy (some xofelf posts spring to mind, though I would have been more aware of her playstyle than the town was).

@284 - the idea is not that I agree/disagree with that post at all. I think it's wrong, yes, but that is irrelevant, because the reason I think it is wrong is information that I think a townie may not think of, ergo, this can come from a town mindset. note that I said I *CAN* see how this..etc, not I *THINK* that this..etc. The idea is that it is not a "OH YOU MUST BE TOWN", and rather a, "oh you may be town after all". and yeah, of course these stuff can be faked, everything can be faked.

I misunderstood your post, then.

I'm very good as scum, you don't have to teach me. GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE TUNNEL. this is not a me-building-up-for-scumreading-you (I'm not, as of now, in case you missed), this is NOT ABOUT YOU. so it does not even matter if you said this too.

Everything is about me! I did notice. It's absolutely possible in my eyes that you could be shifting away from me because of coaching, so you're not off the hook, and I really don't care for excuses in the vein of "I was acting scummy on purpose" regardless of whether that might happen to be a strategy you use elsewhere. The post read as a buildup of that sort, and I don't have a problem with that type of post unless it makes bad points. I believe you that the first point was not intended that way.

also you need to lrn2quote, *Sigh*, or at least bold what you write inside quotes of others so I know what YOU wrote.

I don't see anything wrong with my quotes here.

I deserved what? I brought to myself LOADS of votes in thought that I can easily prove myself as town by claiming Inu?Yasha. Hence, I tried to provoke everyone all the way. What eventually happened was that a counterwagon formed for me, and it was on scum, surprise! and then I vigged more scum, etc etc. doesn't matter anymore. I'm pretty sure that if you try and look up my meta you'll find this in MANY games.

The logic behind your choices does not appeal to me at all, but I can admit the possiblity you genuinely feel that's a good strategy.

@TS and Ceph; no, I can't *convince* you about that post, it is my gut that says that this comes from a townreck, ok? good. last time I checked it's not like anyone ever gave a reason for why Reck is scum, at all, so why the fuck would I need to be defending him?

There have absolutely been some reasons for that, but anyway, fine. Just fucking say so the first time.

Ceph, explain mollie townread @307? she barely posted, and this is not enough to distinguish between scum and town mollie through meta.

I disagree. Call me arrogant if you wish.

[Cephrir]

I cannot wait to watch Katsuki pirouette through hoops!

[Cephrir]

Reminder to attempt meta on two players who are concerning me and who I think meta will be useful with.