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[House]

1. Narninian -

Doesn't seem to question anybody at all until 1977, after LucianRoy states suspicion of him

That in itself seems more playstyle indicative than alignment indicative, as I reviewed his posts in http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=60734 (However, he was interacting with people in that game, whereas in this one he seems to be providing commentary the first 2000 posts); conclusion on skim: null/scum w/ intent to read more in depth later

3. Toon Fighter - Mason

4. Oranje Crush (BROseidon & wgeurts) - I really really wanted to scumread him for his early game, but I'll settle for saying he's scummy town.

6. ActionDan - Drixx is scum; Drixx is town; Drixx is scum; Drixx is scum but I want to trigger BBM's ability; (Totally forgets Drixx) ... scum.

7. Three-Pronged Trouser God (Untrod Tripod & kuribo & T-Bone) - Mason, but idgaf and would PL him just to dodge the fluff if he gets back into that.

8. Bulbasaur Commonwealth (Bulbazak & mastin2 & Voidedmafia)

9. ChriVi (Chrimi & Viomi) - Caustic town lean

11. Boonskiies - Scum until he returns results on somebody BEFORE they die that are returned accurately on flip

12. Drixx - absolutely agree with 242; I'm actually inclined to townread him if he pulls his head out of his ass and provides a readwall. The more he refuses to solidify his stance, the more I want to call him scum. Reading his ISO doesn't mean shit as far as his reads, because reads can & do change over time and he could easily say that he no longer felt that way.

13. PeregrineV - He sucks until late game.

14. vonflare - lurksack that requested replacement, which may explain some of his inconsistencies

15. Cerberus v666 - Needs to be cop checked. Period. Being able to "conf town" a townie would be excellent cover for 3P, and hunting for opposing scum would give him plenty of cover. Gut says that Cerb is SK or lying scum, because having a second virtual mason team with 1 cop check is OP for town. I'd be good with a vig shot here to insta-conftown ChriVi.

16. BRantz - I haven't seen nearly enough for a read.

18. LucianRoy - Town for claim; otherwise I'd be super-sus of this guy.

21. deathfisaro - Ugh. Scum.

22. Om of the Nom Yeah. Town for reasons pretty fucking obvious.

23. Titus - Good ol' Town!Titus

25. BBmolla - Fuck his claim. He's town and scum will have to NK him if they want rid of him. BB is town.

[House]

1. Narninian -

Doesn't seem to question anybody at all until 1977, after LucianRoy states suspicion of him

That in itself seems more playstyle indicative than alignment indicative, as I reviewed his posts in http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=60734 (However, he was interacting with people in that game, whereas in this one he seems to be providing commentary the first 2000 posts); conclusion on skim: null/scum w/ intent to read more in depth later

3. Toon Fighter - Mason

4. Oranje Crush (BROseidon & wgeurts) - I really really wanted to scumread him for his early game, but I'll settle for saying he's scummy town.

6. ActionDan - Drixx is scum; Drixx is town; Drixx is scum; Drixx is scum but I want to trigger BBM's ability; (Totally forgets Drixx) ... scum.

7. Three-Pronged Trouser God (Untrod Tripod & kuribo & T-Bone) - Mason, but idgaf and would PL him just to dodge the fluff if he gets back into that.

8. Bulbasaur Commonwealth (Bulbazak & mastin2 & Voidedmafia) - Town

9. ChriVi (Chrimi & Viomi) - Caustic town lean

11. Boonskiies - Scum until he returns results on somebody BEFORE they die that are returned accurately on flip

12. Drixx -

absolutely agree with 242

; I'm actually inclined to townread him if he pulls his head out of his ass and provides a readwall. The more he refuses to solidify his stance, the more I want to call him scum. Reading his ISO doesn't mean shit as far as his reads, because reads can & do change over time and he could easily say that he no longer felt that way.

13. PeregrineV - He sucks until late game.

14. vonflare - lurksack that requested replacement, which may explain some of his inconsistencies

15. Cerberus v666 - Needs to be cop checked. Period. Being able to "conf town" a townie would be excellent cover for 3P, and hunting for opposing scum would give him plenty of cover. Gut says that Cerb is SK or lying scum, because having a second virtual mason team with 1 cop check is OP for town. I'd be good with a vig shot here to insta-conftown ChriVi.

16. BRantz - I haven't seen nearly enough for a read.

18. LucianRoy - Town for claim; otherwise I'd be super-sus of this guy.

21. deathfisaro - Ugh. Scum.

22. Om of the Nom Yeah. Town for reasons pretty fucking obvious.

23. Titus - Good ol' Town!Titus

25. BBmolla - Fuck his claim. He's town and scum will have to NK him if they want rid of him. BB is town.

My ISO'ing was broken being frequently interrupted. Ignore the idiotic comment at the beginning of my read on Drixx.

[Narninian]

1. Narninian -

Doesn't seem to question anybody at all until 1977, after LucianRoy states suspicion of him

That in itself seems more playstyle indicative than alignment indicative, as I reviewed his posts in http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=60734 (However, he was interacting with people in that game, whereas in this one he seems to be providing commentary the first 2000 posts); conclusion on skim: null/scum w/ intent to read more in depth later

3. Toon Fighter - Mason

4. Oranje Crush (BROseidon & wgeurts) - I really really wanted to scumread him for his early game, but I'll settle for saying he's scummy town.

6. ActionDan - Drixx is scum; Drixx is town; Drixx is scum; Drixx is scum but I want to trigger BBM's ability; (Totally forgets Drixx) ... scum.

7. Three-Pronged Trouser God (Untrod Tripod & kuribo & T-Bone) - Mason, but idgaf and would PL him just to dodge the fluff if he gets back into that.

8. Bulbasaur Commonwealth (Bulbazak & mastin2 & Voidedmafia) - Town

9. ChriVi (Chrimi & Viomi) - Caustic town lean

11. Boonskiies - Scum until he returns results on somebody BEFORE they die that are returned accurately on flip

12. Drixx -

absolutely agree with 242

; I'm actually inclined to townread him if he pulls his head out of his ass and provides a readwall. The more he refuses to solidify his stance, the more I want to call him scum. Reading his ISO doesn't mean shit as far as his reads, because reads can & do change over time and he could easily say that he no longer felt that way.

13. PeregrineV - He sucks until late game.

14. vonflare - lurksack that requested replacement, which may explain some of his inconsistencies

15. Cerberus v666 - Needs to be cop checked. Period. Being able to "conf town" a townie would be excellent cover for 3P, and hunting for opposing scum would give him plenty of cover. Gut says that Cerb is SK or lying scum, because having a second virtual mason team with 1 cop check is OP for town. I'd be good with a vig shot here to insta-conftown ChriVi.

16. BRantz - I haven't seen nearly enough for a read.

18. LucianRoy - Town for claim; otherwise I'd be super-sus of this guy.

21. deathfisaro - Ugh. Scum.

22. Om of the Nom Yeah. Town for reasons pretty fucking obvious.

23. Titus - Good ol' Town!Titus

25. BBmolla - Fuck his claim. He's town and scum will have to NK him if they want rid of him. BB is town.

My ISO'ing was broken being frequently interrupted. Ignore the idiotic comment at the beginning of my read on Drixx.

I agree with these reads almost fully except for a couple Points, and you're practically conftown for me which certainly influences its validity.

A) Your read on me, obviously I disagree with the scum lean. The newbie game I engaged more personally early because there were *way* less people. The pathfinder game would be better indicator of my play in a large game, but unfortunately I haven't flipped allegiances there yet so you can take that with a grain of salt. I'm also motivated to not have scum know exactly what I'm thinking due my night action being invalidated if scum has some clue.

B) Im finding Oranje more scummy than you are. I am less sure that Death is scum than you sure. I don't feel lucian's claim clears him (and he was forced to daykill scum due to your result) but I don't find him scummy either so we're effectively in the same place there.

[House]

I agree with these reads almost fully except for a couple Points, and you're practically conftown for me which certainly influences its validity.

A) Your read on me, obviously I disagree with the scum lean. The newbie game I engaged more personally early because there were *way* less people. The pathfinder game would be better indicator of my play in a large game, but unfortunately I haven't flipped allegiances there yet so you can take that with a grain of salt. I'm also motivated to not have scum know exactly what I'm thinking due my night action being invalidated if scum has some clue.

B) Im finding Oranje more scummy than you are. I am less sure that Death is scum than you sure. I don't feel lucian's claim clears him (and he was forced to daykill scum due to your result) but I don't find him scummy either so we're effectively in the same place there.

I don't even fully agree with my reads, as they are based on a surface level skim of ISO's and most of them lack the benefit of context surrounding the posts that influenced my reads, so I don't know what to make of your first sentence.

A) That game cannot be discussed because ~ongoing~. So stop. Which is why it is bad to use for reference.

B) Nothing is set in stone. Well, aside from my BBMolla read, perhaps. It's a starting point.

[BBmolla]

I really still would prefer a lynch on Oranje. Out of the spotlight and now they've disappeared? Claim that makes no sense within the game?

[deathfisaro]

But, on the surface, Boon's claim feels town, and Death's seems to be a mirror of it.

Actually it's the opposite because I crumbed all my abilities pretty obviously and THEN Boon for some reason roflclaimed with a non-conflicting version of my mirror.

[Titus]

I really still would prefer a lynch on Oranje. Out of the spotlight and now they've disappeared? Claim that makes no sense within the game?

Not so sure it doesn't though.

If we suppose that even two or three of these cops are legit with the masons, scum would need some sort of role to stop the game from being follow the cop. Amnesiac commuter sounds like it could theoretically fit. Same with Reflexive Jailkeeper.

We should finish the massclaim since the only unclaimed are fucking lurksacks.

[God of Power Outlets]

7. Three-Pronged Trouser God (Untrod Tripod & kuribo & T-Bone) - Mason, but idgaf and would PL him just to dodge the fluff if he gets back into that.

people like you are why people like me can't have nice alts. and that was on day 1, I haven't posted erotica since, so stop bitching about it.


for the record, the fact that people that are doubting the mason claim are complete morons--- who the fuck claims mason DAY ONE WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT OTHER ROLES ARE IN THE GAME


Titus, you're forgetting that i claimed mason as scum once and lost as a direct result

why the fuck would i claim mason WITH MY OWN BUDDY ON DAY ONE. one counterclaim and i'd be dead. if you know anything ANYTHING about my scum game, you'd know that i never half-ass a fakeclaim. go ahead. ask mastin or BRO. and i damn sure ain't one of the first ones in the game to claim, and i double damn sure don't let my partner claim masons with me.

this is why i think you're scum, titus, i find it hard to believe you're that thick that you just go hurrr hurrr mason claim must be scummmmmm durrrrr. you're either completely illogical or you're pushing bullshit paranoia for a scum agenda.

and for the record, as i said many times before, i fucking wish i was scum. i hate being town. being town saps me of my will because of having to work with ever half-ass idiot townie that thinks he's god's gift. hell, i wouldn't be in THIS game if Tripod hadn't said to me "hey, let's finally make that alt where you can write all of your posts as erotica" and then YOU PEOPLE TOOK THAT FROM ME TOO

rant over. i'm irritable, so i'm not posting at least until i take my happy pills later

[God of Power Outlets]

^ kuribo since i forgot to sign it

[House]

7. Three-Pronged Trouser God (Untrod Tripod & kuribo & T-Bone) - Mason, but idgaf and would PL him just to dodge the fluff if he gets back into that.

people like you are why people like me can't have nice alts. and that was on day 1, I haven't posted erotica since, so stop bitching about it.

No. That's what I do.

for the record, the fact that people that are doubting the mason claim are complete morons--- who the fuck claims mason DAY ONE WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT OTHER ROLES ARE IN THE GAME

I agree.

Titus, you're forgetting that i claimed mason as scum once and lost as a direct result

why the fuck would i claim mason WITH MY OWN BUDDY ON DAY ONE. one counterclaim and i'd be dead. if you know anything ANYTHING about my scum game, you'd know that i never half-ass a fakeclaim. go ahead. ask mastin or BRO. and i damn sure ain't one of the first ones in the game to claim, and i double damn sure don't let my partner claim masons with me.

this is why i think you're scum, titus, i find it hard to believe you're that thick that you just go hurrr hurrr mason claim must be scummmmmm durrrrr. you're either completely illogical or you're pushing bullshit paranoia for a scum agenda.

This is why I don't think Titus is scum.

If she was scum, she'd simply NK you. She wouldn't throw out a theory that would be guaranteed to receive blowback because it could hurt her team when it inevitably did. Especially if she was actually successful in getting a mason lynched, because it'd

have

to have other scum on the wagon as well to push it through, which would open up the scum team to losing multiple members over one lynch. I mean, seriously? What scum would do

that

?

and for the record, as i said many times before, i fucking wish i was scum. i hate being town. being town saps me of my will because of having to work with ever half-ass idiot townie that thinks he's god's gift.

I kinda agree with you, tbh. Although, it's even more stressful trying to work with scum that thinks they're some tactical Einstein when they don't know shit from shinola.

hell, i wouldn't be in THIS game if Tripod hadn't said to me "hey, let's finally make that alt where you can write all of your posts as erotica" and then YOU PEOPLE TOOK THAT FROM ME TOO

Maybe try buying us dinner first?

[Oranje Crush]

Mostly caught up on the metro back from work.

I'm finding myself agreeing with Titus. Wat do.

[Oranje Crush]

(Gonna do post-specific responses, finish catchup, etc)

[Oranje Crush]

P-EDIT: Bleh, no. Don't feel up to reading a 200+ page game.

In retrospect the comparison I was making wasn't valid.

[Oranje Crush]

yet people consider you a top-tier player.

lol

[Oranje Crush]

Lol I must be scum for targeting an unconventional JK. Perfect argument, I can't win against that, let's get the wagon going everyone, whoever's not voting is scum.
VOTE: deathfisaro

I miss copper, who has the brain to reason. Drixx used to be such too, but not in this game. I wonder why *hint hint*

VOTE: Death

[Oranje Crush]

Yes, Drixx is scum so yeah we'll just roll with that.

3 immune townies was impossible. Scum KNEW this. Hence why they had to fish out my role. Duh.

Drixx is scum out of the claimers. Dan could be, but he's universally lurking. Ozgin's bulletproof was shit, but we all knew that if we had half a brain. Ozgin and Boonskiies have major issues with their cop claims. I'm at the point where I have huge issues with almost all the cop and BP claims in existance.

I also can't be shot ^_^

And 2 fully kill-immune people in this game wouldn't actually be impossible because of the whole "two independent setups" thing. You could have one full-bp or equivalent from each game.

[Oranje Crush]

everyone suggesting Pika's roleblock on Oranje was legit

Nope. Wgeurts and I are the only ones who've pushed that angle, and other people used mollie's "fake role block" to push us.

If Death flips co-aligned with mollie, this pretty strongly confirms that mollie actually targeted me N1.

[Oranje Crush]

I am not scum. Are you?

Scum confirmed (this is, like, 1/2 serious)

[Titus]

@OC, Break down 4316 please. Slowly.

[House]

I am not scum. Are you?

Scum confirmed (this is, like, 1/2 serious)

So answering whether you're scum with "Scum confirmed", and then saying you're half serious... should we then strike out the "confirmed" and read your answer as an admission of being scum?

U R CAUT

[Oranje Crush]

It says ChriVi is confirmed town. Hell, I'll full claim now because why not?

I am a "Town One-Way Mason Theologist."

My abilities are Duotheist, and Faithful Guelphian Neighbor.

Duotheist: I can investigate one player per night to find out which moderator created their role. If you recall, I stated earlier in the game that I had proof that there were indeed accomodations for the merging of games made, and this is it. The power wouldn't exist in the original 13 player game.
Faithful Guelphian Neighbor: I may speak with ChriVi at any time. I know they are town, but they do not know my alignment.

I investigated TPTG night one, and was told that dramonic made his role. I then investigated ChriVi N2, and found that Nikanor made their role. The thought was that the masons were unlikely to exist in the same game as the neighbors, so one of the two of us along with one of the masons were created by the same individual, then we could be fairly certain the masons were actually scum. Since we're from different games, I see little reason to not believe them.

This role is really fucking cool.

I kind of want it to be used on me but this might actually be useful if we can land it on scum (assuming this isn't a scum role...)

[deathfisaro]

If Death flips co-aligned with mollie, this pretty strongly confirms that mollie actually targeted me N1.

Double disappointment incoming. Enjoy.

[Oranje Crush]

@OC, Break down 4316 please. Slowly.

Uh, there was some shit earlier in the day with people using mollie's block on us as part of their push on us. I don't remember the specifics.

Basically, nobody except for me/wgeurts took mollie's claim at face value. The fact that death said everyone did means that he could be privy to that actually being true (and therefore would think other people would have accepted it). It's him having pre-existing information biasing how he views the gamestate.

I don't think I actually explained that very well...

[Oranje Crush]

If Death flips co-aligned with mollie, this pretty strongly confirms that mollie actually targeted me N1.

Double disappointment incoming. Enjoy.

Lol.

[Narninian]

I feel like oranje wins when X number of people target him at night or something.