Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Katsuki]

not lynching shos!

hey mollie in what world do you think its protown to do what shos did?

He's literally spammed this game with useless fluff content. Rhinox bothered expanding on my reasoning for why everything Shos is doing is scum-motivated.

[Magua]

Vote Count 1.17

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Katsuki (4): Iecerint, Lady Lambdadelta, Cephrir, TierShift
shos (2): Rhinox, Katsuki
Cabd (2): xRECKONERx, pirate mollie
TierShift (1): T-Bone

Not Voting (4): notscience, Cabd, copper223, shos

V/LA: Iecerint (April 8th), T-Bone (April 10th)

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, April 15th, at 12:00 noon EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-04-15 11:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-	49
Cephrir	-	48
copper223	-	50
Iecerint	-	50
Katsuki	-	49
Lady Lambdadelta	-	52
notscience	-	50
pirate mollie	-	50
Rhinox	-	47
shos	-	53
T-Bone	-	51
TierShift	-	49
xRECKONERx	-	52

[Cephrir]

not lynching shos!

hey mollie in what world do you think its protown to do what shos did?

He's literally spammed this game with useless fluff content. Rhinox bothered expanding on my reasoning for why everything Shos is doing is scum-motivated.

The recent posts were not useless.

[Rhinox]

Rhinox, can you explain to me 252?

I quoted those because these are important details to remember.

and clearly you haven't seen me try hard as scum, lol. If you'd like I can dig up some scumgames for you. I had only 2 in like, the last 123 years.

Regarding the bolded, that is no answer. Why do you feel those are important details to remember? More importantly, why would you assume that anyone in this game had forgotten or not known about those game rules? And also, why was their a need to remind us of those rules RIGHT THEN as opposed to if/when sometime in the future those rules had any relevance to something going on in the game? The problem I have is that is the type of pointless "Here's some helpful information look how helpful I am I'm such a helpful townie." that scum make instead of doing something useful to find scum.

And I didn't say you were trying hard, I said you were trying TOO hard. As in the things you are going back and digging up are reaches at best. Asking reck if his vote was really srs on cabd is bad because Reck had already gone round with someone explaining why he was srs. And you should have known this because you were keeping up with the game in real time until at least 170 and reck started explaining his srs read as early as 71. And with your ceph vote, we're 10 pages into the game but you go back to page 1 and pick out one vote of ceph's that is a "scumpost" and "worth voting". It's hard to put into words but what you're doing doesn't look like town trying to find scum, it looks more like scum trying to find cases.

Take this for example: in 123 you liked ceph for town. This was Thursday 4/2 at 9:30 AM according to my timestamps. About 24hrs later, in 242 you call ceph12 a scum post and worth voting and you vote. Had you not read that post before? If not, what did you base your ceph townread on 24hrs earlier? For the record you questioned ceph in your second post in the game referencing posts ceph made on the first page so I'm not going to buy that you just didn't catch 12 when it was made.

I'm saying this because I saw people are scumreading me, and it has to be because of gamestart play because I practically wasn't here for like three days so.

can anyone the fuck explain to me why cabd is such a hot topic despite not being there? same goes for me, I guess, in the future?

Lurking or even legit VLA is not a get out of jail free card. Shocking, I know...

[Cephrir]

Take this for example: in 123 you liked ceph for town. This was Thursday 4/2 at 9:30 AM according to my timestamps. About 24hrs later, in 242 you call ceph12 a scum post and worth voting and you vote. Had you not read that post before? If not, what did you base your ceph townread on 24hrs earlier? For the record you questioned ceph in your second post in the game referencing posts ceph made on the first page so I'm not going to buy that you just didn't catch 12 when it was made.

Good catch.

I was going to say that I will make catchup walls like that trying to flow through my thoughts as they would have been at the time, but I think that is a scum indicator for me now that I think about it.

[TierShift]

Shos ur walls are too long

Just lemme say this

Would you expect scum-me to take the exact same approach as in previous games? Would you not believe scum-me to fool you for at least a few days?

Will read more thoroughly tomorrow.

[TierShift]

Like I'm not even buddying in any way

[Rhinox]

Tammy gave me some thoughts on the game.

-doesn't get copper's move on to Cabd. I assume she's talking about 267

-calls Tammy404 bullshit because a prod dodge is not an admission of a vote park. Tammy is also at mollie for saying I was town but then wanting to vote me for not expressing a read on her yet.

I agree with this and I had a couple other problems with it. Firstly "voteparking" is just IMO one of those buzzword tells that don't really mean anything. But the bigger problem I have mollie is you didn't question me at all about why I was still voting shos and just went right into rallying the troops. It doesn't seem like you were initially interested in trying to determine my alignment.

-Tammy thinks the Who argument for calling mollie town is a good one for now and also likes that mollie claims to be transparent, but that mollie isn't really making her think town yet. I agree with this.

-Mollie, Tammy wants to know how much fun you're having right now? Also, do you have a read on shos? Why haven't you really interacted with him at all besides basically saying hello (and since then, that you're not lynching him)?

-Tammy thinks kats should stop with the all caps stuff because it feels fake. Also, Tammy points out that kats wouldn't bus unless it was a necessity and since he only had 2 votes on him when he voted shos it doesn't look like a necessity bus. But, shos might have been the only counter wagon he could make happen.

-Last thing is that Tammy is finding it hard to feel good about reads in this game. Collectively, we haven't yet all had a read we've agreed on at the same time in our PT.

[shos]

Oi, I got carried away with some other stuff, will get back here very soon

[Katsuki]

Tammy, 2 votes does not make a wagon... = =b

[Rhinox]

Tammy, 2 votes does not make a wagon... = =b

yes, I believe that was the point.

[shos]

ONWARDS
~~~~~~~
definitely not satisfied with notty's answer to mollies (correct) push. mark mollie as town here

LLD: why am I scum? (362)

copper's 363 is very unclear to me
can anyone explain to me katscum?

I really want her dead becuase of all the caps but I don't recall anything scummy
..apart from her posts
what the fuck, kats

Ceph, what do you mean that I am being mastin.?

Kats, what the hell is the point of allcaps-ing, and why are you so sure I am scum, and how comes you haven't said it so far?
TS'381 is good, for a change. I hope I'm not just falling to a buddying attempt but it IS true

I'm not feeling good with TS' being on my side
the paranoia of buddying

@Ceph 403: Is THAT the reason you scumread me? REALLY?
was it not obvious to you once I had mentioned InuYasha first time????

Mollie, your unvote of me suggests you're looking at Rhinox, solely for active lurking? have you ever PLed active lurkers before? lately?

oh of course the vote is back on lol. disregard I suppose.

Tbone can be scum if his summary of the entire game by then is those lameish 4 lines in 409.


Katsuki are you a jester
wtf. like on the one hand I'd very much like to vote you right now and on the other I see all the votes piling so quick that it makes sense you're just being scumvoted

Katsuki (5): Iecerint, copper223, Lady Lambdadelta, Cephrir, pirate mollie
This wagon is a good wagon. mark these guys on it as a group of at least 4 townies

Also should be taking some looks at those who lurked so far. it's been a week almost, no excuses

Rhinox,

serious question time: You gave us the reads of your teammate(s? only OS or not). they are contrary to yours. Are you guys discussing this in the PT with each other or are you just throwing it out as a backtracking option?

Reck what the fuck are you talking about?
can youtown please start playing and not spit crap?

..well after reading LLD I realize you may be serious so, if you are, yeah, take your time, this world is stupid.

I don't quite know how to treat TS' L-1 vote on kats. what do you guys think? copper's superquick unvote may be telling, too?

[shos]

Vote Count 1.14

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Katsuki (5): Iecerint, Lady Lambdadelta, Cephrir, pirate mollie, TierShift
shos (2): Rhinox, Katsuki
Cabd (1): xRECKONERx
Cephrir (1): shos
TierShift (1): T-Bone

Not Voting (3): notscience, Cabd, copper223

V/LA: Iecerint (April 8th), T-Bone (April 10th)

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, April 15th, at 12:00 noon EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-04-15 11:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-	49
Cephrir	-	48
copper223	-	50
Iecerint	-	50
Katsuki	-	50
Lady Lambdadelta	-	52
notscience	-	50
Rhinox	-	48
shos	-	52
T-Bone	-	50
TierShift	-	49
Who	-	50
xRECKONERx	-	51

EDIT: Vote count corrected as of 453

why is katsuki still at 50 when she has been on L-1

[Katsuki]

Funny you guys cant get a read that you all agree on rhino, my team all solidly believe that shos is scum.

[Cephrir]

Ceph, what do you mean that I am being mastin.?

@Ceph 403: Is THAT the reason you scumread me? REALLY?
was it not obvious to you once I had mentioned InuYasha first time????

Definitely some of it yeah, it was absolutely what set me off at first and it's also what I was talking about with regard to mastin. When mastin is asked to explain her reads she never comes up with more than "X just

feels

like scum." reiterated 14 different ways.

I didn't exactly go iso you in Inuyasha. I skim games I'm modding anyway.

TS' L-1 vote didn't alarm me, nor did a quick unvote. Some people are ready to make shit happen and some aren't. I think Katsuki's over the top reaction was manufactured as fuck, even though I hardly suspected him at all when I first voted and was mostly making a point.

[Cephrir]

Katsuki not re-evaluating in the light of much better posts does him no favors and his team can ATE all it wants. 536 was a great post and his total lack of comment on it or any recent shos posts just reinforces my whole picture.

[Cephrir]

Also, "hurr durr I have an awesome role" is something scum say for points. Actual great roles don't want everyone to know how great they are.

[Cabd]

102 fever, no real effort from me until I sleep this off.

[Rhinox]

Katsuki not re-evaluating in the light of much better posts does him no favors and his team can ATE all it wants.

536 was a great post

and his total lack of comment on it or any recent shos posts just reinforces my whole picture.

Walk me through it ceph.. what about shos' posting is much better? what makes 536 a great post? I'm not seeing it.

[Cephrir]

I am developing a metaphorical fever. Feels good bro.

[Cephrir]

I can try, Rhinox!

First of all, this string of posts merits comment because it's more content than shos had put into the entire game thread preceding them and now comprises the bulk of his posting. But on to the point.

can anyone explain to me katscum?

I really want her dead becuase of all the caps but I don't recall anything scummy
..apart from her posts
what the fuck, kats

Though this could be contrived, it reads as organic to me.

Katsuki are you a jester
wtf. like on the one hand I'd very much like to vote you right now and on the other I see all the votes piling so quick that it makes sense you're just being scumvoted

Katsuki (5): Iecerint, copper223, Lady Lambdadelta, Cephrir, pirate mollie
This wagon is a good wagon. mark these guys on it as a group of at least 4 townies

Also should be taking some looks at those who lurked so far. it's been a week almost, no excuses

Again, this looks like a real thought process to me. I've seen a lot of town players get paranoid about wagons that build too quickly, which I see as a usually unjustified fear but I understand it. He's giving out a lot of townpoints to this wagon, too, despite the fact that I can see several players on it I at least am not townreading strongly.

Reck what the fuck are you talking about?
can youtown please start playing and not spit crap?

This line reminded me forcefully of shos' play in Inuyasha, finally. I wouldn't appreciate it nearly as much were it not aggression against an explicit townread. He wants his townread to get in the game -- it's not a mudsling as it would appear to be otherwise.

I am not hard townreading shos here but posts like this definitely make me want to return to the drawing board for at least a moment. And that's why it bothers me not to see that. Katsuki looks more locked onto a mislynch target and determined not to let go. If he wanted to try to paint these posts as scummy, I could accept that if it was done passably, but you don't ignore three walls by your top suspect who was previously pretty much lurking.

[pirate mollie]

Tammy gave me some thoughts on the game.

-doesn't get copper's move on to Cabd. I assume she's talking about 267

-calls Tammy404 bullshit because a prod dodge is not an admission of a vote park. Tammy is also at mollie for saying I was town but then wanting to vote me for not expressing a read on her yet.

I agree with this and I had a couple other problems with it. Firstly "voteparking" is just IMO one of those buzzword tells that don't really mean anything. But the bigger problem I have mollie is you didn't question me at all about why I was still voting shos and just went right into rallying the troops. It doesn't seem like you were initially interested in trying to determine my alignment.

-Tammy thinks the Who argument for calling mollie town is a good one for now and also likes that mollie claims to be transparent, but that mollie isn't really making her think town yet. I agree with this.

-Mollie, Tammy wants to know how much fun you're having right now? Also, do you have a read on shos? Why haven't you really interacted with him at all besides basically saying hello (and since then, that you're not lynching him)?

-Tammy thinks kats should stop with the all caps stuff because it feels fake. Also, Tammy points out that kats wouldn't bus unless it was a necessity and since he only had 2 votes on him when he voted shos it doesn't look like a necessity bus. But, shos might have been the only counter wagon he could make happen.

-Last thing is that Tammy is finding it hard to feel good about reads in this game. Collectively, we haven't yet all had a read we've agreed on at the same time in our PT.

you tell my sister if she does not townread me in 5 minutes I am going to get weird on you and YOU are going to feel the brunt of it. cos there is no way she shld be having a hard time parsing my alignment in this game.

@ shos

I find active lurking to be scummy as fuck.I happen to be like 1 of what 3 pple who think this but I have found this to be true! wld you like links?

cos this 1 comes to mind!

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=60729

[pirate mollie]

Katsuki not re-evaluating in the light of much better posts does him no favors and his team can ATE all it wants. 536 was a great post and his total lack of comment on it or any recent shos posts just reinforces my whole picture.

I feel like cupcake is full of shit plus i am feeling a bit manipulated by him here but I can't tell if he is sincerely reaching out or what.

[pirate mollie]

Ceph, what do you mean that I am being mastin.?

@Ceph 403: Is THAT the reason you scumread me? REALLY?
was it not obvious to you once I had mentioned InuYasha first time????

Definitely some of it yeah, it was absolutely what set me off at first and it's also what I was talking about with regard to mastin. When mastin is asked to explain her reads she never comes up with more than "X just

feels

like scum." reiterated 14 different ways.

I didn't exactly go iso you in Inuyasha. I skim games I'm modding anyway.

TS' L-1 vote didn't alarm me, nor did a quick unvote. Some people are ready to make shit happen and some aren't. I think Katsuki's over the top reaction was manufactured as fuck, even though I hardly suspected him at all when I first voted and was mostly making a point.

cephrir said:

This line reminded me forcefully of shos' play in Inuyasha, finally.

whoa wat

[Cephrir]

I didn't go iso him

But I still have a vague recollection of the game