We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Why would you say this when there is literally zero downside to a Cerb vig shot?

Partially because I'm not sold about Cerb being not-town enough to be shot yet.

I'd rather shoot ChiVi out of the two.

ChriVi doesn't get shot until Cerb does. That is non-negotiable.

Cerberus being a "town vote" is no excuse for keeping him around. His vote has been completely wasted the entire game.

So has ours, according to your VCs?

Even I can tell that this kind of "VCA" is far too selective and narrow to be a telling indicator of scumminess.

"Many players" can't conftown when they die. Only Cerb.

Sure, but that's still irrelevant to your Cerb-scum argument.

Why would he out a conftown claim on ChriVi when they weren't being run up? Why would he investigate the player that he knows is conftown?

Considering you've apparently not read the last 170 pages (which I don't blame you for), here's a newsflash: Cerb already outed this information back on D1. Well, to be more accurate, ChriVi outed that the two of them were neighbors (though she didn't namedrop Cerb), then Cerb claimed the 1-way masonry part sometime later. It's been known for about...130 pages, or so?

Lucian claims to be a 1 shot vig that has already used their 1 shot.

That bastard. Ah well, at least he got rid of Pirateika, so I'll forgive him.

.... you don't know why he shot PI do you?

Considering he doesn't realize that the masonry stuff has been outed for two game days and 130+ pages already, not likely.

-Ivy

[deathfisaro]

Oh I didn't realize people still had questions for me since they were already so committed on my wagon.
Well this is my very first time getting any sort of investigative on this site I actually didn't realize the N1 result PM meant I got reflexive roleblocked, I thought it just meant BC was not a werewolf. Therefore zero push on BC D2.
After N2, which is today, After I got the vonflare result I figured out my N1 action failed, and with Pika dead I concluded BC was investigation proof, which is extremely scum aligned power to exist in any game, and he confirmed he is.

And I think reflexive roleblocker is easily a scum role. And I'd go even further and say BC is Tropical Volcano mafia unless you believe active roleblocker and passive roleblocker in the same scum faction isn't OP.

[Titus]

Really, you'd buy a guy applying no pressure dropping no hints of a cop investigation over a guy who outed that he was conftown with someone.

[Titus]

Death, you're stating the mod PMed you that you were roleblocked?

[deathfisaro]

Why would you say this when there is literally zero downside to a Cerb vig shot?

Partially because I'm not sold about Cerb being not-town enough to be shot yet.

Then why are you, having read the last 170 pages, still in 'my faction can shoot someone' mindset? Ah, I think I know the answer, no need to reply.

[deathfisaro]

Titus, I said I couldn't figure out if N1 BC investigation result meant I got roleblocked or BC was not a werewolf.

[House]

Lynch Cerb today. I check Depi tonight.

That's a hell of a lot better than lynching a claimed investigative.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Oh I didn't realize people still had questions for me since they were already so committed on my wagon.
Well this is my very first time getting any sort of investigative on this site I actually didn't realize the N1 result PM meant I got reflexive roleblocked, I thought it just meant BC was not a werewolf. Therefore zero push on BC D2.
After N2, which is today, After I got the vonflare result I figured out my N1 action failed, and with Pika dead I concluded BC was investigation proof, which is extremely scum aligned power to exist in any game, and he confirmed he is.

And I think reflexive roleblocker is easily a scum role. And I'd go even further and say BC is Tropical Volcano mafia unless you believe active roleblocker and passive roleblocker in the same scum faction isn't OP.

I...You...

HOW DO YOU GET "NOT A WEREWOLF" FROM (what I imagine was) A "NO RESULT" RETURN PM?! Like, that doesn't follow even from a newbie's perspective, specifically

because

you didn't get anything alignment indicative!

Also reflexive

Jailkeeper

, FFS. NOT ROLEBLOCKER!

P-EDT:...What? (@Death)

[Titus]

I'm going to put BC in my conftown pile for now. I mean it's based on mirror logic so not 100% but 95% they are town.

[Titus]

Lynch Cerb today. I check Depi tonight.

That's a hell of a lot better than lynching a claimed investigative.

Or you could work with people who actually buy Death scum since he's scummy. Check Cerb and laugh in my face when we're wrong.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Why would you say this when there is literally zero downside to a Cerb vig shot?

Partially because I'm not sold about Cerb being not-town enough to be shot yet.

Then why are you, having read the last 170 pages, still in 'my faction can shoot someone' mindset? Ah, I think I know the answer, no need to reply.

Like, I know you think we're scum and all, but I have no idea where the hell you're getting this idea from?

(And to be quite frank, if we WERE scum I wouldn't touch Cerb even with the best sniper rifle in the world. ChiVi, sure, but not Cerb. And I probably wouldn't touch ChriVi this game, anyways, with how much of a non-presence they've been.)

Titus, I said I couldn't figure out if N1 BC investigation result meant I got roleblocked or BC was not a werewolf.

Did you or did you not get "no result" when you checked me?

I feel like this has been asked multiple times and either you've ignored it or I've missed where you've answered it.

-Ivy

[deathfisaro]

Um, so how do people know what investigation result looks like until they actually get one?
In one of my scum games I wanted to fake claim tracker, but having never seen a tracker result and I had no idea.
On the other hand, I'm 100% confident about what it looks like down to the capitalization and punctuation of the result PM.

In fact, why don't we ask Boonskiies if his result PM from N2 looks EXACTLY like "copper223 is not a mafia." Lower case 'c' and full stop after the word mafia. It's pretty convenient to have a clone-ish role now I think about it.

[Titus]

Death stop dodging.

Did the mod PM you N1?

[deathfisaro]

Did you or did you not get "no result" when you checked me?

Wait, you still haven't figured this out? Obviously I did, what kind of gamebreakingly OP Seer gets a result like 'you were in jail last night because you targetted a reflexive JK haha too bad'

[deathfisaro]

Death stop dodging.

Did the mod PM you N1?

Of course the mod PMed me, how else do I get a result? Am I a public Seer? (although that would be convenient)

[Titus]

Yeah when people are roleblocked (or jailkept which is roleblocked and protected) on this site Death, they do NOT get a role PM. That's standard practice.

[Titus]

At least now we've confirmed one of Bulba and Death is scum.

[House]

At least now we've confirmed one of Bulba and Death is scum.

Cool. Let's vote Bulba then.

I'm not lynching a claimed investigator when there's still one that can verify their claim still alive.

Not. Gonna. Happen.

[Titus]

Great. Every scum should claim investigator then. His claim is inconsistent with known site meta.

Cops don't get a message saying your target is investigation immune. Kinda defeats the purpose of being investigation immune. It's also site meta to not give information regarding being roleblocked. You oughta know this given your experience here.

[Titus]

Also, there are scum cops House.

[House]

Also, there are scum cops House.

So what? My results RETURN FACTION.

[Titus]

There are scum cops, so you shouldn't be all... don't lynch the investigatives.

Hell but he's proven to most likely be lying because he's claiming the mod sent him a message stating roleblocked or investigation immune. You know that's not the site practice.

What's your hang up?

[House]

Wait, who's the reflexive JK?

[Titus]

Bulba.

[Titus]

Death alleges cop on Bulba N1.
Death has zero serious push on Bulba Day 2.
Death claims the mod PMed him that Bulba was investigation immune or he was roleblocked.
Both are inconsistent with site meta.
Bulba claimed reflexive jailkeeper.