We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Titus]

I wanted you to comment on BC because I wanted to invite them to be hat buddies.

[House]

Vote Count 2.02

Pirate Ika (4)

- Narninian, Ozgin, Three-Pronged Trouser God, Oranje Crush

LucianRoy (2)

- Om of the Nom, Drixx

Oranje Crush (1)

- Toon Fighter

copper223 (1)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth

Ozgin (1)

- Pirate Ika

Bulbasaur Commonwealth (1)

- VysePresident

Cerberus v666 (1)

- Magua

Not Voting (14)

: ActionDan, ChriVi, Boonskiies, PeregrineV, vonflare, Cerberus v666, BRantz, LucianRoy, Titus, Lihin, BBmolla, copper223, deathfisaro

With 25 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-02 10:05:14).

Cerberus only had a single vote. He was not in lynch range by any measure.

ChriVi had ZERO votes.

NO EXCUSE for the way he claimed. NONE.

[Titus]

@House,

What are you not understanding about partial flipless setup?

[Cerberus v666]

Also...I didn't claim the one way mason first. ChriVi claimed it, while we didn't want to claim who the pairings were, specifically to prevent any of the target painting you're so concerned about House. However, when it became clear that nobody else was claiming neighbor, I chose to out myself as a neighbor, and since nobody else had claimed, there was no uncertainty about who I must be a neighbor with.

[deathfisaro]

That is much more valuable than chasing a faction that may or may not exist.

In the last 4500 posts at no point did I say BC was a werewolf, or suggested I have any idea who that werewolf SK might be.
With my claim I said I'm willing to give up my power of "chasing a faction that may or may not exist" for BC's lynch.
On D3 all you did was to twist my words slightly to misguide other players.

No I didn't.

All I've said is that your play is implausible for checking Bulba N1.

There's zero proof of werewolves existing. None.

So yes, keeping you alive to chase what is at best a serial killer role is a waste.

Living through D3 to find the werewolf is not what I wanted from all of you. What I wanted was lynching the scum I found in the process of finding the SK although BC may not be a werewolf.
Yes, zero proof of werewolves because if as soon as it's mod confirmed via a flip the SK faction likely has no one alive left in it anyway.
'No SK has died in this game, so there is no SK in this game and Death's role is fake' perfectly explains 3 night kill flavours and makes Drixx vanilla.
Should Drixx and I both die because we have a business with werewolves just because SK hasn't died? That makes zero sense.

[Cerberus v666]

So...yeah. She said her neighbor had confirmation that she was town. Anything else House?

[House]

Also...I didn't claim the one way mason first. ChriVi claimed it, while we didn't want to claim who the pairings were, specifically to prevent any of the target painting you're so concerned about House. However, when it became clear that nobody else was claiming neighbor, I chose to out myself as a neighbor, and since nobody else had claimed, there was no uncertainty about who I must be a neighbor with.

That has nothing at all to do with anything I'm saying, but feel free to continue fluffing.

[Cerberus v666]

...How is it irrelevant, when you're saying a town me would have just claimed neighbor, without the one way mason part? I didn't have a choice in claiming that part.

[Titus]

@Death,

You're claiming that the only other player with werewolf knowledge is Drixx is not persuasive to me. Dan is bulletproof to something else, which is more likely to exist in the game.

@House

What are you not understand about partial flipless setup?

[God of Power Outlets]

I think you are interpreting the chain of events wrong House. Cerb is pretty much telling you exactly how the rest of us saw it play out.

[House]

...How is it irrelevant, when you're saying a town me would have just claimed neighbor, without the one way mason part? I didn't have a choice in claiming that part.

Town you would have claimed one way masons without flat out saying who the confirmed townie was.

Neither you nor ChriVi were anywhere near a lynch. You made them NK fodder for your own self-serving reasons.

[deathfisaro]

I think this whole "hat buddy" thing is for Titus to blend into town and be active in driving mislynches.
TPTG claimed mason and Lucian shot a Berlin Underground Mafia. Two very townie people.
Oh wait, House needed to be recruited because Ozgin's investigation on Pika led to Lucian shooting so House/Ozgin is also a very townie slot.
3 very townie people, organize a gang with Titus in it (for some reason, since the amount of townwork he did in comparison to the other 3 is pretty much nil).

[House]

I think you are interpreting the chain of events wrong House. Cerb is pretty much telling you exactly how the rest of us saw it play out.

So why did you say I echoed your thoughts on Cerb?

[Cerberus v666]

Eh. When ChriVi gets back from V/LA they can confirm that it was a mutual decision we made together, that was actually suggested BY CHRIVI first. Until then, I'm done talking about this.

[deathfisaro]

@Death,

You're claiming that the only other player with werewolf knowledge is Drixx is not persuasive to me. Dan is bulletproof to something else, which is more likely to exist in the game.

AD already said he's BP to both mafia factions, what do you mean by "something else"?
Also there is another who has certain knowledge of the werewolf SK faction, that is the member of that said faction, who are not going to out themselves as SK ever, so why does your lack of understanding of kill flavours and faction assignments mean my claim is fake?

[House]

House not everyone who disagrees with you is scum. *eyeroll*

Bulba: Reflexive Jailkeeper. Remind you of any particular game at TitusMeet? Malakittens. Reflexive Doctor. Defending the shit out of Cerb.
You: Trying your damnedest to lynch a cop & defending the shit out of Cerb
Cerb: Outs supposed "conf town" with zero pressure on that townie.

Scum.
Scum.
Scum.

Bulba: I like the read, I don't like the reasoning though as role =/= alignment. There are times when BC shines through as town, and other times as not.
Titus: Cop thing aside (cause role =/= alignment), this is fine. One thing that continues to come from her that is extremely scummy is her plan for "MyLo" in a multiball set-up. What do you think about that?
Cerb: More or less echos my feelings there.

HOWEVER, I'd like you to put aside Death's Cop claim and really look at his ISO again. Regardless of your feeling about Titus, Deathfisaro is still scummy as fuck and the cop claim shouldn't be enough to erase that. I'll have UT or Kuribo or Toon give you the highlights if you'd like, I don't have much time right now.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Still usual practice is to not get anything at all.

No, I'm pretty sure cops should get

something

if they've been blocked for whatever reason. Even if it's just "no result". Otherwise you're leaving the cop on the fritz with no idea why the hell he's not getting anything.

Or House Bulba and Cerb can all hold hands with me and Lucian and we can all be officially Hat Buddies and roll on.

Monocles don't count for that, I don't think. Although a hat would complete the ensemble.

I'll just hide my head... I thought you were Mastina.

*sigh* I thought this was obvious enough. Bulb's...well, Bulb; Ivy's me, Voided; Venus's Mastin

Bulba: Reflexive Jailkeeper. Remind you of any particular game at TitusMeet? Malakittens. Reflexive Doctor. Defending the shit out of Cerb.

Honest question: How is "being reluctant to shoot Cerb" defending the shit out of him? I get the defending part, just not the rest.

And I do agree with confirming Cerb's alignment. I just think that it should be done with investigatives, not by killing him in some form or another.

Cerb: Outs supposed "conf town" with zero pressure on that townie.

Also, I'm kinda still not getting the scumminess here, at least in the context of the role(s) in question. It's not like a cop role where you don't want to out yourself without a good litany of results to go with it.

Drixx didn't use another player to try to sell a claim the way Cerb did.

IMO The only thing questionable about it is that Cerb upped a neighbor claim to masons. Or one-way Masons. The point is it's now a mason claim of some sort.

similar to what I got. Titus fact manipulation is too stronk. Any investigative getting returned 'you were roleblocked' is absurd in virtually any setup.

...Titus was saying that you shouldn't get

anything

back if you're blocked?

Also written as 'oh shit Boonskiies is gonna confirm deathfisaro as SK cop and I'm gonna get busted'

Now you're just confbiasing everything I'm doing.

would have kept their trap shut unless ChriVi was getting run up as scum, then used their claim to defuse the wagon. ChriVi didn't have one single vote. Not. One.

And exactly how sure are you that ChriVi wouldn't have been run up for being a lurker D1 if Cerb HADN'T outed that link?

There's zero proof of werewolves existing. None.

Technically there is, we just don't have the means to prove that "eviscerated" is or isn't them right now.

ChriVi was not being wagoned!

You can't dodge that fact.

Okay, now I'm starting to hard-defend Cerb because you're just being fucking stupid.

(When TITUS is more reasonable than you, you're seriously shooting the moon.)

-Ivy

[BBmolla]

no comment on me thinking you guys are scum?

[Titus]

@Death,

You're claiming that the only other player with werewolf knowledge is Drixx is not persuasive to me. Dan is bulletproof to something else, which is more likely to exist in the game.

AD already said he's BP to both mafia factions, what do you mean by "something else"?
Also there is another who has certain knowledge of the werewolf SK faction, that is the member of that said faction, who are not going to out themselves as SK ever, so why does your lack of understanding of kill flavours and faction assignments mean my claim is fake?

No. I'm stating there's no proof of wolves and the other person you're claiming is immune to the wolf kill is pretty much confscum so yeah...

[deathfisaro]

Titus is EXTREMELY selective in which part of my post to reply to. You're trying to go on tangents all the time, misrepresent what I said, too manipulative to be a genuine town play.

[House]

Titus: Cop thing aside (cause role =/= alignment), this is fine. One thing that continues to come from her that is extremely scummy is her plan for "MyLo" in a multiball set-up. What do you think about that?

I think such a plan would require knowledge of how many scum there are. I don't know if anybody else knows, but I don't.

I'd be just peachy voting any of my 3 scumreads. Not interested in wagons outside of them.

[Titus]

@Bulba, is that red thing a hat on your avatar?

[Titus]

Titus: Cop thing aside (cause role =/= alignment), this is fine. One thing that continues to come from her that is extremely scummy is her plan for "MyLo" in a multiball set-up. What do you think about that?

I think such a plan would require knowledge of how many scum there are. I don't know if anybody else knows, but I don't.

I'd be just peachy voting any of my 3 scumreads. Not interested in wagons outside of them.

House, there's at least 4 scum in the game... and that's if you suspect werewolves are a myth.

[Titus]

Oh and I'll take it Drixx is no longer a scumread.

[Titus]

@House, you have to start working with people. I try to.

No one's asking you to change your mind but you should absolutely try to reason with people.

I know no one believes my success rate and that's why they won't follow me to Drixx. You don't get anywhere if you don't listen.