Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Gammagooey]

Going to say this now before someone claims the trace on me.

I detected last night, correctly guessed and therefore got a positive effect. I don't get told what the effect which is annoying. But I figure it should clarify any issues someone that traced me might have.

pretty sure this was just hito saying that you guessed correctly

[Tammy]

Going to say this now before someone claims the trace on me.

I detected last night, correctly guessed and therefore got a positive effect. I don't get told what the effect which is annoying. But I figure it should clarify any issues someone that traced me might have.

It means you correctly guessed that persons sign and you doing that has no effect on whether or not you were traced.

If I'm understanding it right.

~~~

I was not detected last night.

[Titus]

@Tammy, how would you know if you yourself were detected?

@All, we should not be outing if we traced or detected as PRs are more likely to detect and VTs are more likely to trace.

[Tammy]

Misread the role pm, never mind

>_>

[Titus]

Misread the role pm, never mind

>_>

I've never done that.. nope. [/sarcasm]

[Espeonage]

Dude I already claimed vt.

And I'm fairly sure that 'effect'(tm) is actually an effect. Maybe I have doublevote, that'd be useful.

[Tammy]

Okay espionage might be town.

[Titus]

I'm not sure what he's even saying...

and that's par for the course. I don't like that (not an alignment indicative "don't like" but more frustration).

[Tammy]

It's reminiscent f cap ok when he was essentially a tv but the wording suggests something else and kinda ran threads there

[Titus]

F cap? "kinda ran threads"?

[Tammy]

Something I wanted to respond to but the thread got locked:

Empire, curious if/how your reads have evolved.

Aside from second guessing the initial scumreads in my big catch-up (including CDB, whom I actually liked his response to my case), not at all. Regfan and I are still discussing our reads and we're disagreeing about some of them a lot more than I am used to so that's undermining my already low confidence. I'm hoping I can just start at square one here and repair my ability to actually read mafia games.

How is the convo concerning me going?

[Espeonage]

Well in this case it's in the OPs that there is effect.

[Tammy]

My sleeping pill makese dozy

He picks p on stray threads and will follow it until bids gorge ft

[Tammy]

Lim kinda interested in people clamming their detects and traces. We my hot catch someone in a lie and we can hold them accountability

We who reached could out are chih

My sleeping kill just kicked in and I literally happen go

[Titus]

Umm yeah Tammy, talk to me tomorrow. I'm having trouble deciphering your posts.

[Titus]

Well in this case it's in the OPs that there is effect.

Can you back up and try this day again?

I feel like the girl who forgot her translator at home.

[Aronis]

VOTE: Telltaleheart

[Marquis]

VOTE: tth yeeeeeeeee

Tomorrow.

And good thing for everyone crying over it but no more endless !!! because of my super ironic slip last time! Yay!!!

[Bulbazak]

Going to address these things I missed before starting on the major day:

He's not up for discussing things. In fact, his MO so far has been to shut discussion down.

Would you say the manner in which you approached engaging me earlier this cycle isn't similar to what you're scumreading Marquis for here? Why or why not?

No, and I'm hoping I'm understanding your question here, but I'm going to address both interpretations. I originally scumread you based on some reactions early game I didn't like. I'm thinking that may have been a response to a playstyle I didn't like, and not anything scummy. Compared to Marquis, I've played enough with him to know when he's towning it up. He's been playing very subdued this game, and I don't know what to make of that. It's unnerving that he's not playing in a manner that he knows most players would town read him if he's town. The fact that I'm not seeing much in terms of overall content and thought process is making me lean towards scum. If, however, you think I played in the same way earlier as Marquis is now, then I disagree. I've always been up for discussing things, and I've never tried to shut lines of communication down. In fact, one of my many flaws is that I can be goaded into a nonproductive line of discussion and made into a distraction.

Also, talk with me about why you like the idea of booning TSO.

He was my strongest town read outside of Tammy up for consideration, and I think he would have used the ability well.

Also also, talk with me about why you don't like vezok.

I've looked back over his ISO, and I'm thinking it may have been a knee jerk reaction to his voicing the exact opposite of my reads, and doing so in a forceful manner. At the time (when he called Tammy scum), I thought he was scum trying to sling mud on an obv. town player. His attack on me (which I address later) also felt like it came at an opportune time, when everyone was calling me scum. It felt like an easy position for him to take. The only thing that made me uneasy about the read was that so many of my town reads were townreading him. And now that read is thrown even more in disarray by what Mollie just told me (more on that later).

Also also also, would you be voting to lynch Marquis right now if it was major D1? If not, who would you be voting for?

No. I think Marquis is worth taking some time to make sure in my read. At this point, I think I'd prefer Gamma or Aronis.

Also, Bulba, can I get some updated thoughts on Empire from you?

I don't want to lynch him. Personally, I still think Zar comes out the worse in the Tammy interaction, and I don't like the way the swap took place. It reads more like the team trying to salvage a scum slot. However, I've seen how several of his reads match mine, and his posts so far haven't been too bad. Also, I think Mollie may be leaning more towards them town, but I'll have to ask her. Ask me again near the end of the day.

@Bulba, we need to get on the same page. Stat. I feel as if we are reading two separate games sometimes.

And I've told you repeatedly, I don't like Vezok for a boon choice, and I won't be voting for him. You can't yell at TSO to make his own decisions and then yell at me when I do.

Unboon

Boon TSO

Tammy is still the better choice, but if we can't do that, I'd prefer TSO.

This is bullshit. I've been booning TSO nearly from the start. I said my team wants him to take the boon while everyone was trying to boon me, but you think I'm scum and he's town? You're reads are so fabricated that you could nail them to a wall to board a window.

You know I can town read him and still scum read you, right? That's what I find so offensive about this post. It comes at a convenient time using BS reasoning of "You can't both scum read me and town read someone I'm townreading.", when that is both not only possible, but also quite common. You also ignore my saying multiple times that I don't want to boon someone that I'm not townreading, and that when asked, I said I was confused why so many of my town reads were townreading you, even going so far as to try to find out why. But you so conveniently ignore that, right?

[Bulbazak]

Lim kinda interested in people clamming their detects and traces. We my hot catch someone in a lie and we can hold them accountability

We who reached could out are chih

My sleeping kill just kicked in and I literally happen go

No.

Is anyone else concerned that the wagon on TTH took off so fast?

@Tammy: Also, Mollie just told me you're scum. What do you have to say to that?

Vote Gammagooey

[Titus]

@Bulba, I am. The only wagon I've started that has gone off that fast for that reason is the YnB wagon in InuYasha, so I want to see where this goes rather than highlighting that.

[Bulbazak]

Okay. I just don't really have a read on TTH, and I don't think their switch is indicative one way or the other. If we're going to PL somebody, I'd prefer Aronis.

[Aronis]

According to my teammate, antihero doesn't like playing as scum and tth isn't living up to town meta expectations.

Since when were we going to policy lynch someone?

[Titus]

The votes aren't necessarily to get a lynch, although I wouldn't mind one here. TTH is one of the best town players I know (but tbh this game is full of the best town players). His silence after just being subbed in is irksome. I want his thoughts. I don't want anyone to be silent. Fuck constitutional rights to remain silent.

[vezokpiraka]

vote tth

why did you detect dv?