We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Titus]

@Drixx, If you want me to reconsider you, you have to plug in and give reads. The youtube video imbed is a request from others to highlight when you are being uncooperative and whiny.

I am aware there are scum voting roles. I drew one. However, such mechamics (other than maybe vote theft) are obvious. If you believed my claim and were acting with a brain, you would have stopped. Period. I am not revisiting that until you give me a reason to. Complaining and calling me a stick in the myd do not.

[Toon Fighter]

Titus and Drixx, I've said this 2 weeks ago. Get your respective heads out of your respective asses and find some scum. Otherwise I'll advise for you two being Policy Lynches today and tomorrow.

[Titus]

That's what I am trying to do.

Can you comment on VC 1.06 provided the asdumption that you and TPTG are town along with Cerb and ChiVi.

[Titus]

Drixx is however scum. So yeah.. not changing my read there.

[ChriVi]

VOTE: Drixx

I like Titus, I don't know why you guys are bitching about shit but oh well. Let's lynch scum, yeah?

Also I really dislike Toon's play here.

[Narninian]

heck, I like Drixx more than a Death vote right now,

VOTE: Drixx

Purposely not engaging because titus doesn't feel warm feelings towards you is not a townie oriented mindset, and in fact can be used by scum to not providing any damning or helpful insight.
still want to trigger Molla.

[Drixx]

I'm equally happy to just be lynched and confirmed honest. It may be quite useful to the town.

[Titus]

Drixx, why not give a readwall? Why not? You can just tell me how REALLY wrong I am on TPTG and TF. The read wall gives you a chance to basically call me stupid while being protown at the same time.

[BBmolla]

Also I really dislike Toon's play here.

Are you even reading anything

[Titus]

Also I really dislike Toon's play here.

Are you even reading anything

Click the activity overview button. Toon hasn't posted a lot and the posts he makes aren't exactly earthshattering. They aren't uber OMG terrible but they aren't unquestionable.

[BBmolla]

You mean Toon right?

Toon the fucking

claimed mason

?

[Titus]

Emphasis on

claimed

. Just because someone claims masons doesn't mean I stop scumhunting them.

[BBmolla]

i quit

[Titus]

So if I just claimed masons with Bulba would you believe it?

No and you shouldn't.

There is no get out of jail free card claim.

I don't get why that's hard to understand.



I'm obviously not claiming masons with Bulba.

[deathfisaro]

@Death, My problem is two fold. First, you seem like a pretty smart guy who has seen PR roles played before. Thus having some method of seeing who you investigated is important and I feel you should have picked that us.

Second, you've been very hostile towards players I think are town and now can coexist with you. Bulba's play is textbooktown for a reflexive jsilkeeper, yet you push him days after your reflexive claim? What?

That being said (I like your behavioral reasons). The vote based reasons suggest to look more at PV or Drixx than vonflare if you're talking D1 wagons.

VLA ended. Needed to cool down.

1) Well, I don't really know who to target. As both town and scum. I just shoot House as scum and this is like the 2nd town active PR I've gotten (rolled a Doc once but died D1).
2) Due to depression I get severe (and frequent) mood swings, if I'm in a bad mood it just shows and if I'm in a good mood I'm nicer, more reasonable, logical, calm, etc. I think in this game alone I've gone through 3-4 cycles, I don't know if nobody noticed or people are nice enough to not say 'your mental illness is interfering with the game so get out'. I'm probably at like -15 / 100 at the moment.

[deathfisaro]

I'm equally happy to just be lynched and confirmed honest. It may be quite useful to the town.

Since werewolf BP has already claimed we don't see you drawing a werewolf NK anytime soon (if ever) so your potential of being useful for town is contents.
Can we get them prior to your lynch because there's no reason to hold onto them until twilight?

[Titus]

@Death, I'd tell you to cool down and take a break, not get out. Aside from depression, we all have that to some extent. I tend to be more aggressive if I feel people are out to get me. It happens. We all have personality profiles. If you feel depressed/moody, it's ok to say so and cool down as long as you do that regardless of alignment.

So let's move on from drama.

How would you play a reflexive jailkeeper provided you are town?

[deathfisaro]

So if I just claimed masons with Bulba would you believe it?

No and you shouldn't.

There is no get out of jail free card claim.

I don't get why that's hard to understand.



I'm obviously not claiming masons with Bulba.

Assume 3 man scum faction. 2 of them claim masons since you can't just claim mason with a random dude who is not.
With kill redirects, good chance of bus drives, possibility of investigatives confirming either person, and unpredictable NK choice of other non-town factions it's a get out of jail free early game card but one freak accident your whole faction sinks. Probably a go to jail card claim when mid & late game comes.
Especially more so since 1 from each scum faction died already.

[Drixx]

I'm equally happy to just be lynched and confirmed honest. It may be quite useful to the town.

Since werewolf BP has already claimed we don't see you drawing a werewolf NK anytime soon (if ever) so your potential of being useful for town is contents.
Can we get them prior to your lynch because there's no reason to hold onto them until twilight?

There's no rational reason to lynch me either. I pointed out that an actual useful reads list is not a trivial amount of effort on my part. I'm not sure what game you guys are playing where you just spend 5 minutes to evaluate the entire game and slap up a half assed list. People seem like they'd rather lynch me, despite there being far more dubious claims and even claimed roles that make sense as scum roles in the context of what we have as mod confirmed info.

You can't have it both ways. Either I'm legitimately scummy and I should be lynched, and therefore you want me to do my best to mislead you and are hoping I'll mess up ... or you don't have logical reasons to think I'm scummy and should have no problem allowing me to do a proper job of it. Invoking the law of excluded middle here.

[Titus]

Yeah but if they both be scummy, then scum will not want to kill them until late game. Plus if a mason has a latent kill immunity, they can do that easier. Hilariously Unbalanced had kill immunity. The slots are not worth lynching but I'm not giving any of the masons autotown status. Even though I feel Cerb is pretty strongly town, more so that ChiVi based on play but she is also townie in the last post, I'm not stopping scumhunting them.

[Titus]

I'm equally happy to just be lynched and confirmed honest. It may be quite useful to the town.

Since werewolf BP has already claimed we don't see you drawing a werewolf NK anytime soon (if ever) so your potential of being useful for town is contents.
Can we get them prior to your lynch because there's no reason to hold onto them until twilight?

There's no rational reason to lynch me either.

I pointed out that an actual useful reads list is not a trivial amount of effort on my part.

I'm not sure what game you guys are playing where you just spend 5 minutes to evaluate the entire game and slap up a half assed list. People seem like they'd rather lynch me, despite there being far more dubious claims and even claimed roles that make sense as scum roles in the context of what we have as mod confirmed info.

You can't have it both ways. Either I'm legitimately scummy and I should be lynched, and therefore you want me to do my best to mislead you and are hoping I'll mess up ... or you don't have logical reasons to think I'm scummy and should have no problem allowing me to do a proper job of it. Invoking the law of excluded middle here.

The bolded should come as naturally as breathing.

You are scummy and you should be lynched but we can offer you a lifeline in case of being wrong. You're trying to invoke a law of excluded middle and failing bad because you're the one trying to force an either or scenario. The more you bitch, the more you should be lynched.

[Drixx]

The either or scenario exists by default. Either I'm scum or I'm not scum. Either there are rational reasons to lynch me or there are not.

What sort of rational thought process looks at the input : Drixx has been trolling and generally not paying attention for the last 2 and 1/2 weeks

and decides : Drixx should be able to produce a proper well reasoned reads list "as naturally as breathing"?

[Titus]

You've been paying attention enough to respond and provide content enough from your perspective. That means you are paying attention. Second, town, even if trolling, can naturally state who they think is town or scum. There are rational reasons to lynch you regardless of your alignment if you refuse to contribute. If you do contribute, you can possibly actually be protown. Now if you'll excuse me, Death is on and I'm talking to him.

@Death, Suppose you've drawn reflexive jailkeeper as town. How do you play it?

[deathfisaro]

@Death, I'd tell you to cool down and take a break, not get out. Aside from depression, we all have that to some extent. I tend to be more aggressive if I feel people are out to get me. It happens. We all have personality profiles. If you feel depressed/moody, it's ok to say so and cool down as long as you do that regardless of alignment.

So let's move on from drama.

How would you play a reflexive jailkeeper provided you are town?

Nah, I'm not saying anyone did. It's hard to explain, it's not anger or temper, but would appear as manifestation of such. Not anything related to the game, moving on.

If I'm town reflexive JK, the goal (the ideal) is to draw in non-town night actions while not attracting town night actions.
1) Just play like a BP. The problem is I've never actually rolled BP before so I don't know how I would achieve that.
2) Fake claim something that's so significantly obviously pro-town that scums would want me dead immediately.

[deathfisaro]

Actually, forget that. I might just roflclaim Doc if I want to attract NKs.