Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[DeasVail]

Nacho and I talked over our Empire read overnight and we're leaning town there now

Are you willing to disclose your reasons here or would you prefer to keep them quiet?

[fferyllt]

The basis for the scumread was mostly twofold:

- Zar's play and the replace
- Empire's tammy read

The replace aspect on a holistic, dare I say gestalt, level is not as worrying right now after the reread.

his Tammy read, like I said, is hard to fathom, but we're leaning toward Empire feeling rusty and overthinking or something. For us, by 10 pages in Tammy was clearly town, and nothing has obscured that read since then.

I mentioned earlier that Empire's reads list was directional with my own - and he was already taking stances in agreement with changes in my reads that I hadn't even slightly hinted at in the game thread at that point. For me, that was a significant dent in my scumread of the slot, but I wanted players on my team with more Empire-reading experience to weigh in.

[DeasVail]

Thanks ffery.

[hitogoroshi]

VC 40 (Major Day 1, VC 3)

(6)

TellTaleHeart:

Titus, Empire, Tammy, Aronis, Marquis, vezokpiraka [L-4]
(1)

Bulbazak:

Gammagooey
(1)

GuyInFreezer:

ChannelDelibird
(1)

Tammy:

Espeonage
(1)

Aronis:

Bulbazak
(0)

Gammagooey:

(Bulbazak)

(9)

Not Voting:

Actiondan, Cheetory6, Deasvail, GuyinFreezer, mastin2, Shadoweh, TellTaleHeart, T S O, Untrod Tripod

(ChannelDelibird, Espeonage)

With 19 votes in play, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is Saturday, April 25th, at 9PM CST.

Major Day One Deadline

(expired on 2015-04-25 20:00:00)

Tammy is V/LA until April 20th.

[Titus]

Ok, I feel as if I am totally lost. The scumreads on Tammy, GiF and Bulba make no sense to me. I feel as if I am speaking Greek while everyone else is speaking Swahili.

[Aronis]

@Bulba, I'd like to pick your brain on some of the places where we disagree on reads. If you could take for instance Vezok and state a simple case about why you're scumreading him and I'll state a simple case on why I'm townreading him and we can see if we can figure that out or not. You're my biggest townread in the game at the moment, and I don't like how your scumread by a lot of players. I also don't get it.

I'm reevaluating Vezok at the moment. I've asked Mollie to look over his ISO and let me know what she thinks, but her statement that Tammy is scum is making me consider that I've been off not only there, but also on Empire, which would put Vezok square in "most likely town". I may have just had a bad knee jerk reaction to him. I still hate the last post of his from the minor day, though.

P-edit: Why is your approval for TTH essentially Aronis's reason word for word?

Maybe it's because it's a good reason?

[Aronis]

Ok, I feel as if I am totally lost. The scumreads on Tammy, GiF and Bulba make no sense to me. I feel as if I am speaking Greek while everyone else is speaking Swahili.

I'm actually speaking English. I can switch to spanish if that'd help you though.

[Titus]

You could just explain who your biggest scumread is and why.

[Aronis]

CDB's a mild townread. Bulba is a scumread.

Would like to know why you think both of these things.

CDB is now a null read. I'm not willing to disclose my read on Bulba at this time to it not being that strong and I want to be able to keep a close eye on his behavior for a while longer before being 100% sure.

[Titus]

You could just explain who your biggest scumread is and why.

Please try again.

[Aronis]

You could just explain who your biggest scumread is and why.

I not really that sure about my scumread on you, my buoba scumread is somewhat omgus, so I'm not that sure about it. So probably one of espionage and tth (the only reason I'm as confident as I am in this one is bc my teammate agrees.)

Give me a min OK!?!

[GuyInFreezer]

C'mon, Gif, really? Way too certain. Plus, if you are sure that town couldn't forget, why are hyper-sensitive scum (because they are) more likely to forget? If I were scum I'd be on eggshells around the confirmed town. And if he didn't forget, if he knew what he was doing, what is the benefit for either alignment doing that? This just feels like Gif is hoping to get UT mislynched in the near future.

I'll let you read that linked post again with context. Then I'll allow you some time to figure out if what you're saying is really what I said back there.

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway, I think I'm prob gonna be useless until some ppl dies out, or at least for few weeks. I'm looking to see if one of my teammates can switch with me though.

[Titus]

Anyway, I think I'm prob gonna be useless until some ppl dies out, or at least for few weeks. I'm looking to see if one of my teammates can switch with me though.

Bring ika maybe? But Day 1 is always the hardest. No real evidence to go on. Unless a wagon hits scum day 1, the wagon is more useful for VCA than anything else.

[Titus]

So do not feel bad about being wrong. I got your back.

[Titus]

FTR, GiF is my second strongest townread because ika.

[Shadoweh]

La di da, I supose I should mention I've been reading since day start, today's discussion about TTH just caught me off-guard so I'm waiting for it to be resolved before bringing up distractions.

[ActionDan]

Been away for 10 days. Will get to this tomorrow

[ChannelDelibird]

Been away for 10 days. Will get to this tomorrow

Nice of you to warn us.

[Marquis]

lightly skimming for now but i like aronis

not sure if that's a good sign or not

bbl

[Titus]

Alchemist is catching up on this game. It'll likely take him a day or two because of the length and complexity.

[Tammy]

Hey Bulba. Can you ask mollie if she thinks that Tammy's tone is town frustrated or scum default? She's seen both recently, they are both similar.

Why don't yu ask the confirmed fucking town that is actually playing in this game, has played more games with me, and can read me better.

See Tammy, the thing is that mollie has played with scum you very recently, I have a rapport with mollie as of recent and I don't have a good rapport with the confirmed town.

Now with that out of the way.

I'm getting more and more happy in my read that you're scum. Truth be told I found myself unapproving of the tth wagon simply because you were on it which took me by surprise tbh. Your tone here doesn't read to me like the frustrated got irl stuff tone as far as I can tell, which is about the only explanation I have for the amount of scumminess I am feeling from your posts. And even if that is the reasoning for your tone it still doesn't mean you're town, it takes it to null, at most. I don't have the most experience with you but I'm going off what I do have. And your responses to people here for the most part aren't looking town.

I'm pretty sure you're scum.

Vote: Tammy

gots a preedit come up

This reads like complete bullshit btw.

I'm actually not frustrated with real life ATM. Bit stressed over my defense but that's it.

Why can't I be bussing tth?

You're wrong, you can't read my tone, my responses are town because I'm town.

[Titus]

I'm rather shocked at the levels of silence the TTH wagon has caused...

[Tammy]

Nope. Not all of them.

I am going to ask though. What is the relevancy of my having read all of the posts for the purposes of getting a read when I have sufficient information from what I have read? It has never been an issue before and it's been my MO for catching scum sometimes int he past with a decent success rate.

I know silly me why would I possibly want someone who is voting me and calling me scum to actually read my posts.

You don't have sufficient information, it's not enough, I don't care if it's been an issue before, you're not catching scum because you're voting town and calling me scum when I'm really really not.

And don't overblow the "never been an issue before" when we haven't played *that* many games together.

And did yiu literally say that you'd rather talk to mollie about a read on me because of rapport when she's of unknown alignment, reading me wrong, instead of confirmed town who know me a hell of a lot better? Am I misinterpreting that? Because to me it reads like you just wanting to have someone confirm your bad read, that you made all on your own!, than actially figure out my alignment.

[Tammy]

Anyway, I think I'm prob gonna be useless until some ppl dies out, or at least for few weeks. I'm looking to see if one of my teammates can switch with me though.

Bring ika maybe? But Day 1 is always the hardest. No real evidence to go on. Unless a wagon hits scum day 1, the wagon is more useful for VCA than anything else.

FTR, GiF is my second strongest townread because ika.

Don't you and ika constantly read each other wrong, tunnel and fight?