We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Drixx]

I take a rather lot of medications for reasons that the curious can find by looking at my post history. Suffice it to say that since I'm not working this week, I took them when the pain began instead of enduring it for hours first, so I'm very drowsy at an unusual time. I shall therefore be going off to nap now. It is very likely I won't wake up for 4-5 hours. Lynch me if you actually think there's a legit case for it, but know going into it that all you'll find out is that I was honest about my claim.

If you want to know what I think about everyone in the game, with rational thought and consideration, you'll have to wait on killing me. I'd really rather not come back and find myself dead, proven honest, and then have you all expecting me to bust ass for your benefit. So figure out how you want it. I'll be back in several hours at the soonest.

[Titus]

@Death, Bulba's generally had its active head be protown and active and putting together the town. That's how you would play a role to be nightkilled be loud and protown. I'm uncontrollably loud regardless of PM, but that's the idea. Bulba here was attempting to draw NKs and scum actions. You checked him and got blocked. You freaked out and supposed scum.

Such behavior should be handled as crumbing the fact you checked Bulba N1 and got no result. Something like "Remember this if I die, Mastina slithered off into nothingness and I just cannot get a beat on her no matter how hard I try." That's not too obvious, but still would be seen post flip as you checked Bulba and got no result. I'm terrible at drafting specific crumbs but that's how that should have gone. If there was some sort of crumb like that, I never would have suspected that your claim was fake due to the fact that your ISO did not support checking Bulba.

[deathfisaro]

Well since it's unlikely I have any investigations left this game, I'll try to learn to do that in my future games.
3 people were getting replaced and none have shown up yet. D3 doesn't have too much time left, I think we should secure the nightskip and herd the vanity wagons into a couple main wagons.

[Titus]

Even if I thought triggering the nightskip was a good idea, I don't think it's possible. Let's get a lynch off and then worry about anything else. When is the deadline?

VOTE: BBMolla

I think my vote is a mere technicality and not likely to help trigger night skip but it's worth at least contributing since after I'm dead we can't really punish him if he fails to nightskip.

[Titus]

I think I'm totally outvoted on triggering BBMolla.

[Toon Fighter]

well here's the thing:

If Bulba is telling the truth
THEN death is confcop (not conftown, as cops may not be town, but more likely town than not)

Because I can understand a player getting a No-Result as a cop and that making them believe that the target is investigation immune. ESPECIALLY when the mod confirmed that a cop would get that kind of a result PM, and especially as Bulba claimed Reflexive JK only AFTER death claimed cop. So, 99%, death is some sort of cop.

Now, death could be a scum cop. This I believe more, and think, if we get to tomorrow without a werewolf claim, we should go ahead and lynch him. General bad play (as I pointed out before), a weak-to-VT role even if town so not a big risk, and might actually be a scum cop (points there). Plus he even voted himself at some point, and I like obliging the players who want to get themselves lynched. But for today, we have better targets. As much as I hate Titus right now, Drixx might actually be scum (not related to the retarded double voting gambit, that is being blown WAY out of proportion by both, but for overall play and a dubious claim), and lynching him could be a good compromise for today.

unvote, vote: Drixxx

(I never know how many xx's it has)

[deathfisaro]

People seem like they'd rather lynch me, despite there being far more dubious claims and even claimed roles that make sense as scum roles in the context of what we have as mod confirmed info.

This you willing to share? Doesn't look like it'd require any extra effort to produce since it's on top of your head already.

[Titus]

@TF,

Even if Bulba is lying, Death is still likely confirmed cop. Supposing Bulba's scum, his team still had to block Death as Bulba wouldn't fake claim something that blocked Death if his team hadn't blocked Death.

Death's read wall and mod confirmation of the fact I expected Death to get no PM really turned around that read. I don't care to lynch Death and I'm reasonably persuaded by his dumb town explanation given his join date.

[House]

VOTE: Drixx

[God of Power Outlets]

YES OR NO

This set-up is two 13-player set-ups put together and unmodified.

[Toon Fighter]

@TF,

Even if Bulba is lying, Death is still likely confirmed cop. Supposing Bulba's scum, his team still had to block Death as Bulba wouldn't fake claim something that blocked Death if his team hadn't blocked Death.

Death's read wall and mod confirmation of the fact I expected Death to get no PM really turned around that read. I don't care to lynch Death and I'm reasonably persuaded by his dumb town explanation given his join date.

that is exactly what I just said

what are you even implying here

can I talk to your supervisor please

[Titus]

@TF, I'm not implying anything but agreeing and supplementing.

I'm sorry my supervisor is making various repairs to my brain, as such she is unavailable. Updates to be finished on Day 4, until then, you must use the Pre-VCA version of me. I'm trying to devise a better, more cooperative Titus but that takes time and R and D resources that only are accumulated after playing more games.


@TPTG, Yes.

[God of Power Outlets]

As far as we know, nothing was changed from either set-up after they were mashed together, hence "We Didn't Playtest This". Yes?

[Narninian]

There has to be *some* minor accomodations at least.

The 'check which game people are from' power clearly couldn't exist with one 13 player mini.
My power would have much less utility with only 1 scum team

[Titus]

@TPTG, I think so. Maybe minor tweaks were made, adjusting for flavor maybe. I'd have to look back but no substantive changes were made to see if absolutely no changes were made.

[God of Power Outlets]

There has to be *some* minor accomodations at least.

The 'check which game people are from' power clearly couldn't exist with one 13 player mini.

My power would have much less utility with only 1 scum team

This is kinda what I'm getting at. While it's not stated in the OP in this thread, it is stated in the OP of the sign-up thread that this is just two 13-player set-ups, the town from both set-ups become one faction, and the independent factions remain independent. How does a role to check with Mod made which role exist in a set-up that isn't supposed to contain any changes from the original 13-player set-ups?

[Titus]

@TPTG, the role Cerb had could have been some sort of named townie in his setup. Mods have done that. I find it's best to not outguess the mod unless we have solid evidence of him being wrong. We could just have House check him if we're wrong.

[BRantz]

@Titus: I don't understand your attack on the mason claim at all. Toon has been very lurky, but TPTG is extremely town imo (Kuribo please don't leave, your thoughts make more sense than most in this game). I have a question for you about Drixx though, if he gets lynched and flips town how does that change this game for you? If you are right and he flips scum what does that mean going forward for you? Why do you think Vonflare being run up as a counter wagon to Vyse makes him less likely to be scum?

UNVOTE:

@Death: What are your reasons for thinking AD is town though? You put him in your town list, but your reasoning doesn't support a town read. Talk to me more about why you think Vonflare is scum (I like your thought process here, want to see how close we are).

@ChriVi: Who are your scum reads?

VOTE: Drixx

I'm not overly happy with this wagon, but I don't think that it is avoidable. I think we have to lynch one of either Titus or Drixx to move past their shit.

[House]

@TPTG, the role Cerb had could have been some sort of named townie in his setup. Mods have done that. I find it's best to not outguess the mod unless we have solid evidence of him being wrong. We could just have House check him if we're wrong.

That would assume you read me as town.

Otherwise, is just cover my scum buddy's ass if we're scum. Right?

So... Which is it?

[Narninian]

@TPTG, the role Cerb had could have been some sort of named townie in his setup. Mods have done that. I find it's best to not outguess the mod unless we have solid evidence of him being wrong. We could just have House check him if we're wrong.

That would assume you read me as town.

Otherwise, is just cover my scum buddy's ass if we're scum. Right?

So... Which is it?

I mean considering you were calling for his death earlier I think an innocent investigation from you will be quite believable.

[Titus]

@Brantz, I disagree. TPTG has been rolefishing and setup speccing. I don't see anything that they've done that's OMG town and I think people's hearing of them claiming mason has colored all the reads in this game. They aren't getting lynched but I'm not letting them go conftown solely because they claimed mason. Will I want to lynch them soon? Probably not. Will they skate unquestionably because mason? No. Even if they are town, they are not automatically right.

If Drixx flips town, he's playing very suboptimally by not contributing to the game the numerous times people asked him to do so. I wouldn't change much to be honest but seriously would have Drixx have a few words about how you treat people who scumread you when you're town. I wouldn't even consider the votes on Drixx to be that scummy.

If Drixx could actually articulate his feelings, this could have been avoided if he's town. This whole "confirm me as town and Titus as stupid" stichk is not helpful when I tell him exactly what he needs to do to have an intelligent conversation with me.

[Titus]

@TPTG, the role Cerb had could have been some sort of named townie in his setup. Mods have done that. I find it's best to not outguess the mod unless we have solid evidence of him being wrong. We could just have House check him if we're wrong.

That would assume you read me as town.

Otherwise, is just cover my scum buddy's ass if we're scum. Right?

So... Which is it?

I mean considering you were calling for his death earlier I think an innocent investigation from you will be quite believable.

This.

[Titus]

It is theoretically possible that anyone is scumbuddies with anyone but unlikely.

For instance, TPTG is likely only scumbuddies with TF. If we get two flips from both mafia factions, I'd consider them confirmed town.

[House]

@TPTG, the role Cerb had could have been some sort of named townie in his setup. Mods have done that. I find it's best to not outguess the mod unless we have solid evidence of him being wrong. We could just have House check him if we're wrong.

That would assume you read me as town.

Otherwise, is just cover my scum buddy's ass if we're scum. Right?

So... Which is it?

I mean considering you were calling for his death earlier I think an innocent investigation from you will be quite believable.

Yeah, but if I'm scum and he's town?

[Titus]

**but House with Cerb is unlikely