Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[T-Bone]

oh mollie

[T-Bone]

let's talk! I think you are town, how does this make you feel? I also have no particular interest in the two main wagons (shos, katsuki) that have cropped up today. They don't interest me because I haven't had the opportunity to be involved with either player. My feelings on Tier are pretty much the same, and in my gut I don't like Ceph right now. Any of those reads we should discuss?

[pirate mollie]

let's talk! I think you are town, how does this make you feel? I also have no particular interest in the two main wagons (shos, katsuki) that have cropped up today. They don't interest me because I haven't had the opportunity to be involved with either player. My feelings on Tier are pretty much the same, and in my gut I don't like Ceph right now. Any of those reads we should discuss?

I don't know cos I am not sure about you! shos is starting to kind of look like pissy shos!town who makes bad votes shos I am really not getting the notty hate. rhino is a strong townread and that is about where I am at right now. cupcake is never an easy read he looks pretty indignant but I feel like that is kind of null for him so unsure?

reck's performance this game has been completely limp at least since I have been here. I tried to support his cabd wagon but neither him or cabd are doing a thing so like wth am I supposed to do with that.

cephrir and tier have weirded me out from the get go but it is pretty ballsy to play off of each other if scum together in the manner that they are doing. I also feel like I am the only 1 who is noticing their interactions. light townlean on copper.

what other reads do you have? cos you are freaking me out.

[Magua]

Vote Count 1.21

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Katsuki (5): Iecerint, Lady Lambdadelta, Cephrir, TierShift, shos
shos (3): Rhinox, Katsuki, notscience
Cabd (2): xRECKONERx, pirate mollie
TierShift (1): T-Bone

Not Voting (2): Cabd, copper223

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, April 15th, at 12:00 noon EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-04-15 11:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-	49
Cephrir	-	48
copper223	-	50
Iecerint	-	50
Katsuki	-	49
Lady Lambdadelta	-	52
notscience	-	50
pirate mollie	-	50
Rhinox	-	47
shos	-	53
T-Bone	-	51
TierShift	-	49
xRECKONERx	-	52

[T-Bone]

Well it's not just me that has the feeling from Ceph and Tier then. I did soften on copper, he sits somewhere in the middle for me. Reck is a town read, and I'm not going to fault him or anyone for not having a presence in the thread when I have had the least amount on presence. Rhinox is coming from a weird angle towards me, because I was very clearly just not around.

[xRECKONERx]

I dunno what else I can do with Cabd. I'm like, "here's a few reasons why he's scum". And Cabd isn't posting so it's not like that read can develop at all

[notscience]

mollie the interactino that bugs me is shos/lld

Also I owe LLD an answer, will ISO muffincat

[Iecerint]

I'm back home now. I have to prepare for work tomorrow, but I'll read this game as soon as possible.

[pirate mollie]

I'm back home now. I have to prepare for work tomorrow, but I'll read this game as soon as possible.

yaye cos I can't wait for your input!

[notscience]

mollie I'm being selfcentered and want your opinion on me please!

[notscience]

I don't see why I'm the person scum-kats woudl reachout to in order ti start a wagon. That alone makes me lean town.

[Iecerint]

Here's through page 20:

Oh also forgot to mention this in my first posts but I have a role that I will likely never use barring consensus from people I have down as town, so I will be full claiming it when and if it becomes applicable.

I was entering the reread expecting that I would find Cabd scummiest, but this kind of thing makes me think town.

I have no idea who Chandra is.

It concerns me that I've been townbinned so quickly.

I've had you as relatively certain town since like page 2 due to your implied information on the mod list things. I imagine people are cagey about it because they don't want to highlight it. This is also relevant to Cabd treating you and Tier differently.

I figured out that Chandra is Cephrir.

Mollie's 349 is scummy, since it suggests she hasn't erad NS's posts earlier on the page particularly carefully. Weaker because it's Mollie.

Copper and Cephrir had different impressions of Cabd's activity level before he returned to the hgame (363).

I do not really understand everyone thinking that Shos is scum. Shos had been kind of a non-entity up to this point (379).

TierShift is not scum with Shos, because contradicting so many players' read on Shos would be too risky for the sense I have of him this game so far (381).

[I'm drinking a white russian now mmm.]

I think copper is town (389).

Shos always seems a little phlegmatic in games I play with him, re: Ceph's summary of his POV in 399.

Mollie is having fun. This makes me think she might be town after all.

T-Bone may be scum (409-411). EDIT: But 413 was townier. Meh.

@ Rhinox - Lack of participation is probably a relative scumtell for me, but the deal in this case is that I would have had to read the game on my phone, which I wasn't really prepared to do the way I needed to, because my computer was running some stuff for work during the whole break.

If scum have daytalk, Cephrir is not scum with Katsuki (430).

@Ice
What's Mala's read on Mollie?

She hasn't said anything about her. She was suspicious about NS, but hasn't mentioned it again, she said that LLD was town, and on Saturday she said that Shos was scum (though I personally don't get it). She's been out of it for the last few days due to a pet dying.

[Is mollie ever being added to the points charts?]

Katsuki's specificity on shos is nice (458).

And me not reading is apparently scum.

Please demonstrate how it is alignment indicative.

You don't care if your reads are accurate.

P.S. You're also scum for having a shitty reaction to your wagon.

FWIW, as much as I would hate to admit it, Katsuki not reading the game is actually not really all that alignment-indicative.

As town he regularly fakes investigative claims, fucking up games in the process. He also does the same I'M SMART YOU'RE DUMB thing without reading that he appears to be doing here as town. I think you should know this, come to think of it, because the example I was going to provide for you was D1 Inuyasha mafia. The context there was that scum had badly fucked up their fakeclaim and were obviously scum, but AP and I had to corral everyone into voting them, and Katsuki came out to try to grandstand on their behalf while showing that he had no idea what was going on in the process.

I remember that he was town that game because after we were killed N1, AP and I played 20 questions from the scumlist that AP received from a Mod, and I cackled for a long time when I realized that Katsuki was literally just fucking around.

(This is the sort of thing that makes Katsuki the preferred policy lynch by a landslide. Not that a policy lynch is necessary or advised really.)

I agree with Reckoner about Cabd tbh (494). But will revisit this if one or both of Shos and Katsuki flip scum later.

[notscience]

Ask mala when she gets back to revisit her read on me, tia.

[Cephrir]

katsuki was in that game?

[notscience]

icerink was her scumread before or after your question or both

[xRECKONERx]

there was a big lack of anything regarding me in that post Iece yup

[Iecerint]

Cabd's 505 is scummy. He delivers on his previously-promised content, but basically ignores any potentially alignment-relevant material from the previous several pages in the process.

Shos's comeback is kinda scummy (esp the score mechanic question in 517). Also, if the score thing is a mechanic that town knows (which makes Cephrir more likely town), that makes this scummier. This is because the score mechanic is potentially something that is a mystery to scum, so it's an easy thing to pivot to if they want to look like they're puzzle-solving. If Cephrir flips scum or we learn that scum had inside info here, this is nullified somewhat.

Not sure why Mollie changed her mind on shos (519), but I guess she's just impressed by the VOLUME and maybe didn't read it much? Which, I still think she's town probably, but that's my take.

Ceph seems to agree with mollie for some reason w/e.

Rhinox is town, or has like extreme tryhard Team Mafia friends and/or scumfriends. This is based on the timestamp business.

Shos trying to crumb makes him look townier (586).

Yeah thinking shos is pretty town now.

(Shos's posts here reminded me of his earlier post about Hated in lylo re: policy re: my previous rant about Katsuki, but w/e.)

I think that what copper says ABOUT shos's posts is a scumtell when applicable (612), but I didn't get the same vibe from shos's posts.

@ copper -- Katsuki would soft a strong role if he had basically anything. His meta of being ridiculous with it is what makes it so low-risk for him. Though he also does randomly claim VT at times.

I have never seen a lylo-less hated modifier. Is this meta on the site now? Maybe mod meta on this, or meta on one of the mods of games on this site? Though I could see Zora do this I guess.

@ Katsuki - I think LLD's vote on you is 100% policy, at least so far as she's explained it. (Mine was from like page 5 so basically the same time.)

Katsuki is rly getting serious now, so good enough.

See so I kinda want to scumread T-Bone largely because I'm townreading or ruling out so much of the playerlist, but I'm not sure about his expressing distance from shos and katsuki. I guess the previous page had some mixed stuff about shos, and Katsuki is probably not getting lynched through his harder soft claims. So meh. I changed my mind.

@NS, what are you implying by saying the LLD/shos interaction bugs you (e.g., one scum, both scum, etc)?

[notscience]

Shos is easily scum, but you're very clearly busing him.

And I'm positive that it will be harder to lynch you later than it will be to lynch Shos, so I'm handling this today.

This post in particular jumps out.

It feels like duo-scum.

[Iecerint]

Ask mala when she gets back to revisit her read on me, tia.

Will do. She requested replacement yesterday, though she was kinda vague about it. I don't think she's followed the thread. But I will ask her.

katsuki was in that game?

Yes, though he was replaced by Oversoul subsequent to our death N1. I didn't notice this because we died N1. I get like really really angry when Katsuki does Katsuki stuff, so I remember him very vividly.

icerink was her scumread before or after your question or both

It wasn't "Iec NS is scum pressure him this way." It was like "Iec notty is demotivated this could be due to lots of things, but one possibility is that he wasn't scum and now he is, try asking about it."

Then I said I would find a way to ask about it if I could do it safely (i.e., because I wasn't sure if your demotivation could be related to some other aspect of a town role (whether Hated was part of it or otherwise)). Then she emphasized that I should definitely do it. By that time you were posting more because copper was prodding you a little, so I said I would just assess you based on how that played out. Mala insisted that copper's pressure was different from what she was suggesting. Then I finally agreed to do what she asked.

But, it was way before my question.

Looking back now, she also suggested that if you were scum who was demotivated, it was likely that you were not satisfied with your scumfriends. This was in a separate post that she made that I missed because most of the post is about general stuff rather than stuff specific to this game. Both those posts were Thursday.

there was a big lack of anything regarding me in that post Iece yup

This game in general has a big lack of anything regarding you tbf. You rival me in that regard, and you weren't even on vacation, though you do seem to have had a few fun nights. ^^;

[Iecerint]

Shos is easily scum, but you're very clearly busing him.

And I'm positive that it will be harder to lynch you later than it will be to lynch Shos, so I'm handling this today.

This post in particular jumps out.

It feels like duo-scum.

Gotcha.

[notscience]

Ftr, it's not really a game relevant situation, hence my response in the way it was. Also, I now think icerink is town.

[Iecerint]

Overall Cabd makes sense as scum, with the nuance that Reckoner fits comfortably into some of the more high-profile potential scumteams, and Cabd is town if Reckoner is scum with them, because I think Cabd had enough negative rhetoric toward him for Reck to actually shift the wagons Cabd's direction.

T-Bone is the only other player who never really had a moment that made me go "Oh, that person is town." At least, not in a big way. But this does mean that at least someone that I had a moment like that for is scum. So there's that.

[xRECKONERx]

This game in general has a big lack of anything regarding you tbf. You rival me in that regard, and you weren't even on vacation, though you do seem to have had a few fun nights. ^^;

45 posts

vs

25 posts

????????

[Iecerint]

Then you are a star active-lurker. Other than the Cabd bits (and apologizing for not being able to develop Cabdread due to Cabdlurk), I mainly remember intentions to post and references to fun drinking. And I guess some brief topical commentary.

But the only event that you created that I can remember (and that I think I did reference but I guess not?) was the Cabd stuff.

[copper223]

I also think Icerint is more likely town after the catch-up, mainly for the information he shared about Katsuki, the only alarm flag is he is trying to be a bit too appeasing, but maybe he is just a nice guy.

I am sorry to hear about Mala's pet, she told me she knows Mollie's meta pretty well so if she decides she wants to play some more ask her about her please.

@Cabd
What are your reads on the rest of the players?