We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[deathfisaro]

You're really manually replacing out of a near 5000 post game because you're not having fun as a result of your plays, and with slightly over 2 days left on D3?
I understand the frustration because that's also what I went through a few pages ago but after failing to get myself lynched I've sucked up and accepted playing as VT is fine.

[deathfisaro]

So if we're not nightskipping, I get 1 more chance to find a werewolf.
The problem is how to survive to share the result, whether positive or negative.
I honestly don't find that result worth protecting me over other PRs.

[Drixx]

Wow ... I said I was napping and would work on an actual reads list when I got up. Then people proceeded to put votes on me with the excuse that I was refusing to do anything. So ... quick and dirty scum reads list:

Scum reads:

Titus <--- Super Obvscum, and getting more so with each desperate post
ActionDan <--- Fairly sure this is the theorized SK. Requires some work to make the case clear.
BRantz <--- Super lurky play, opportunist jump onto my wagon despite me saying I was gonna nap and then do reads
BC <--- Gut scum read. Will clarify one way or the other.
Narninian <--- Low scum read. The claim gives town points but the thing that gets me is that he had no reason to make that claim, and the claimed action is fairly illogical. Why not re-direct to one of the claimed BPs, for example? Need to look closely on re-read.

Town reads:

Cerberus - Not experienced enough, especially on this site, to have fake claimed what he did. I suppose there's a very low probability that he was coached, but I'm leaning towards thinking he's town just from the organic way his day 1 play played out.
ChiV - Cleared by Cerb
TPTG - Claimed Mason day 1
TF - Cleared by TPTG
Lucian - Pretty sure just his kill flavor alone clears him at this point. Will review on thread read.

I'm pretty sure the masons are almost certainly town at this point. We haven't seen any apparent blocked kills and just basic probabilities at this point almost confirm them.

Further reads requires updating priors and doing some thread mining. Anyone not on either list I don't have any off the top of my head thoughts on at the moment.

[Narninian]

I agree with Molla, the wagons have been shifting so much.
Drixx/Oranje - Top lynch choices
Boonskies/Action Dan - Second choices

Vote: BBMolla

You...Are aware of how cogdis this is? I mean, I know that you're stated interest is in activating Molla, but still.

I actually literally don't know what this means. I stated my lynch preferences because I don't want my BBmolla vote to act as an easy 'dodge' to vote accountability, but I think we're better off activating him today and people have to actually vote him to do it.

[Drixx]

...Ye gods, this has got to be the angriest I've ever been at a game before.

-Ivy

Then you should actually re-read how things went down, because I tried moving on and Titus wouldn't let it drop, which killed my desire to play this game. Despite that, I did what I said I would when I got up from napping and posted the reads I have at the moment. I need to do some actually digging to go further than that. If you are rational and honest you can just look at the thread and see that Titus instigated me into how I spent part of day 2 and part of today. I've come to the conclusion that Titus is probably scum (based upon other stuff, including game spec and her role, and her behavior not related to me) and my guess is that instigating me into raging about the D2 thing was intentional as a way to keep a 1v1 going she thought she could stay on top of.

I mean ... just look at your own reaction to it. Who benefits?

More actual work from me coming.

[Oranje Crush]

Titus I'm not calling you dumb, you're post feels like mafia trying to break my invincibility for a night and kill me. Do you understand my logic? I'm immune to kills and I'm town so of cause the mafia want me dead as otherwise I'll be a massive threat end game. Before that I though you were town (I need to read a lot of pages so I don't know why your frustrated.).
You're a great player and just because people disagree with you doesn't mean you should give up. Town needs you later if you truely are town, ignore those that are insulting you and just move on. Don't give up, that achieves nothing, just proove everyone wrong by winning the game and doing what you think is right. Maybe that will shut others up next time as they'll all be outplayed.
I think it's best you play as if Drixx isn't in this game for a day or two, don't replace out that achieves nothing.

You and drixx are probably both town, just ignore each of please for a while.

Also: DRIXX FUDGE SHUT YOUR CRUMPETS UP ABOUT TITUS, WE GET THE BLOODY POINT.

[Titus]

Drixx, we aren't going back there. We have differing views on that. Rehashing is NOT productive in any way shape or form.

Bulba, I didn't see anything this bad in Hu2 but maybe because I was scum there. Also, in Xmen I knew I wasn't really working with anyone. I specifically make an effort to work with people and I just feel like it's all for naught. That's what hurts more than anything.

[deathfisaro]

ActionDan <--- Fairly sure this is the theorized SK. Requires some work to make the case clear.

I'm all ears.

[Oranje Crush]

UNVOTE: Titus
I don't think Titus would sink that low to strategically replace out and from what I know she doesn't sound like the type to give up already as caught mafia.
I'll happily Policy Lynch drixx if he doesn't stopp right now and I'm up for lynching Lucian, Von Flare or Cerberus.
Cases later, maybe they'll become town reads once I'm caught up.
~wgeurts

[Titus]

OC, I do understand that.

Look a little deeper though. There's 5 to 6 investigatives alive. They take higher priority. Same thing with masons.

I'm townreading you and know you are unlikely to die due to that and somewhat being a viable mislynch.

I try to get you cleared so that you can be conftown if the cop is.

That's protown play.

[Oranje Crush]

Drixx, we aren't going back there. We have differing views on that. Rehashing is NOT productive in any way shape or form.

Bulba, I didn't see anything this bad in Hu2 but maybe because I was scum there. Also, in Xmen I knew I wasn't really working with anyone. I specifically make an effort to work with people and I just feel like it's all for naught. That's what hurts more than anything.

Jsut ignore Drixx.

[Oranje Crush]

OC, I do understand that.

Look a little deeper though. There's 5 to 6 investigatives alive. They take higher priority. Same thing with masons.

I'm townreading you and know you are unlikely to die due to that and somewhat being a viable mislynch.

I try to get you cleared so that you can be conftown if the cop is.

That's protown play.

My problem with the PR's is, I'm almost 100% sure each mafia team will have at least one. Especially these faction specific cops, doesn't seem like a legit town role. More of a scum role considering it's multiball.

[Oranje Crush]

Titus, I understand the town motivation behind asking however I considered the mafia motivation first. I'm still very hesitant of not commuting. I have my reasons.

[Titus]

@OC, Yes.

Let's suppose arguendo that Death and Boon are both scum. I don't believe Death is but I will assume so.

There's still Cerb, ChiVi, TPTG, TF, House, etc. etc. Plus anyone threatening their specific members.

You are not a high priority night kill. I wouldn't have proposed it if I thought you were.

[Titus]

Titus, I understand the town motivation behind asking however I considered the mafia motivation first. I'm still very hesitant of not commuting. I have my reasons.

And that's fine. I just wish that you would have talked first rather than acting rashly and assuming scum motivation when there was none.

This is the same kind of thing that happened in Playing with Elements.

[Titus]

I don't want to know the specifics of everything, just from my perspective, with what I know, I thought it was best. From your response, I get you are holding something back.

Just be sure because the window to cop clear you is actually rather short.

[Drixx]

UNVOTE: Titus
I don't think Titus would sink that low to strategically replace out and from what I know she doesn't sound like the type to give up already as caught mafia.
I'll happily Policy Lynch drixx if he doesn't stopp right now and I'm up for lynching Lucian, Von Flare or Cerberus.
Cases later, maybe they'll become town reads once I'm caught up.
~wgeurts

You want me to stop doing what I've been asked repeatedly to do?

My scum read on Titus is separate from our 1v1. I'll sum up the basics:

1.) Role seems more scum oriented in this game. The amount of votes to lynch doesn't change, so on alternating days it's harder to kill scum and then easier for scum to mislynch, and the role's utility is tied to the play of the player. Fantastic for a scum role. Its effectiveness dovetails with how well the player plays.
2.) Irrational questioning of the Mason claim
3.) Irrational certainty that she can figure out exactly when MYLO is (or that such a state is even likely) that is paired repeatedly with pushes against triggering BB's claim
4.) Certainty that BB is telling the truth, where BB's claim is exactly the sort of early game gambit that could have a huge payoff for scum. This dovetails with point 3.

I can go thread diving to quote more. Obviously it would be better if someone not me who has suspicions of scum does the legwork on that case so that it cannot be dismissed by Titus or others as me just being butthurt about all the drama. I mean ... there are people talking about policy lynching me even as I'm re-engaging into playing the game properly, because I posited that Titus instigating me repeatedly made a lot of sense as a scum play.


@Oranje - The one question I have about your role is its power. You are perma-immune to being NKd? So if one scum team and the theorized SK get eliminated and it comes down to you and one scum, then your role forces a draw? That seems ... a little off. I don't know if there's something you haven't said because it would make you vulnerable. I'm also trying to figure out how your role would function in a single ball 13 player game. It still seems like a role that has a high probability to make the game result in a draw.

[Oranje Crush]

Not if we're skipping tonight, which we should definetely do.

Pr-edit: I loose draws, that's in my role PM. Having a 2 player whoever posts first lylo is stupid.

[Titus]

@Drixx,

1) My role absolutely cannot be scum. To wind up in a lylo spot where scum cannot even vote is messed up and impossible.
2) Ignored.
3. Ignored.
4. I'm not certain BB is certainly telling the truth or even if he is the role is town aligned as I have drawn that role before. I can contain him, so I don't give a fuck.

[Drixx]

Not if we're skipping tonight, which we should definetely do.

Pr-edit: I loose draws, that's in my role PM. Having a 2 player whoever posts first lylo is stupid.

That balances your role then. That was the main thing sort of bothering me about it the whole time.

[Titus]

OC, I like Lucian enough. What do you not like about him?

[Oranje Crush]

OC, I like Lucian enough. What do you not like about him?

Can't quite remember, but I know I was scum reading him before I went away for a while. I also remember Bro disagreeing because of Lucian's role.
I'm in need of a catch-up so I'll give more info after I'm out from school.

[Oranje Crush]

Not if we're skipping tonight, which we should definetely do.

Pr-edit: I loose draws, that's in my role PM. Having a 2 player whoever posts first lylo is stupid.

That balances your role then. That was the main thing sort of bothering me about it the whole time.

The honest wut?

[Titus]

OC, I like Lucian enough. What do you not like about him?

Can't quite remember, but I know I was scum reading him before I went away for a while. I also remember Bro disagreeing because of Lucian's role.
I'm in need of a catch-up so I'll give more info after I'm out from school.

Scum dayvig can be included as a way of getting around follow the cop. That being said, given his context, I don't think he's actually scum. Plus, his play has been rather townie. He hasn't been deliberately aggravating people while giving his opinions. I don't think he's a heavy townread but he's still pretty town to me.

If you find something specific, I'd like to discuss that with you.

[BBmolla]

Like, I just feel that this whole policy push on Titus is just some kind of attempt to smokescreen actual scumlynches. And I honestly just don't like it in general.

Fuck right off, I've tried to lynxh scum all day but people keep ducking voting people not getting lynched or voting other town, I'm fucking done.

I've been trying all day but the only people talking this point are fucking crazy conspiracy theorists