Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Magua]

Vote Count 1.24

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Cabd (3): xRECKONERx, Cephrir, Iecerint
Katsuki (3): Lady Lambdadelta, TierShift, shos
shos (2): Rhinox, Katsuki
TierShift (2): T-Bone, copper223
Cephrir (1): notscience

Not Voting (2): Cabd, pirate mollie

V/LA: TierShift (April 12th), Katsuki (April 12th)

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, April 15th, at 12:00 noon EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-04-15 11:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-	49
Cephrir	-	48
copper223	-	50
Iecerint	-	50
Katsuki	-	49
Lady Lambdadelta	-	52
notscience	-	50
pirate mollie	-	50
Rhinox	-	47
shos	-	53
T-Bone	-	51
TierShift	-	49
xRECKONERx	-	52

[Cephrir]

One thing that confuses me about Cephrir is that I feel like he would have picked up on players townreading him for crumbing knowledge about the score system, but then he expressed paranoia about people townreading him.

Like, I assume he crumbed it with knowledge that it would probably make people townread him. Which is fine. But then it's weird to get paranoid about people townreading you.

I don't know why I'm getting townread for that

[Cephrir]

There sure is a vote on me

Please, give a case on me, I could use a fight to get back into this game!

[Iecerint]

If scum have knowledge of the score mechanic, I think they would probably infer that having knowledge of the score mechanic is a scum-specific phenomenon and would not imply knowledge of it in-thread. Further, it would not be that exactly one player appeared to have special knowledge of the mechanic.

It is possible that your scumteam could have recognized this and decided to have one player gambit appropriately, but probably less likely than the straightforward case.

You could also be some kind of 3rd party, but I doubt it because it would warp expected winrates too much for the overall Team Mafia scoring system.

[Iecerint]

I assume he voted you based on an inference that my ONE WEIRD TRICK ABOUT CEPHRIR post was inviting pressure on you. Mostly it was just intended to address that you'd alluded to confusion on that point enough that I thought it might warrant clearing-up (whether because you didn't intend to imply it, or because your reads are being warped by something easy to understand). But he is welcome to correct me.

One thing that did occur to me about hyposcumCephrir is that it's possible that you did not intend to imply such knowledge as scum, and then simply neglected to correct people's inference. But I don't know why scumCephrir would express paranoia in that case, particularly.

[Cephrir]

I'm actually just paranoid, especially in team mafia, yo

[Iecerint]

I don't think you're scum.

My point is that even the circumstances that allow you to be scum are pretty zany.

[Iecerint]

(Which is probably relevant to people rationally townreading you in this game.)

(Which might be relevant to how you read players.)

[Cephrir]

I'm going to clear the air sooner rather than later. All my posts on the subject of the score should be taken at face value. I have at best a teensy bit of insight and it's almost completely irrelevant.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie what do you think of icerink?

I'm not rally reading him based off him I'm more reading him based off mala but

I am never a fan of pbpa being an auto townread as you well know! the 1 thing that he has done that I liked was point out why he was sort of townreading cephrir.

but other than that I don't think iceyrent is doing anything that super wows me into going "iceyrent is so town!" but then I am NOT the best at reading him. I am not sure about him giving a pass to reck but ugh.

[pirate mollie]

@T-Bone
Why he says he is not motivated is not relevant, I don't like him using a similar phrasing and reason as the one I peovided for him based on the town game we played together.

If he is scum he started trying to control the game like Ceph, but shut down when he noriced he was getting into dangerous waters with his pushes.

@Mollie
What don't you like about it?

they read as pretty surface to me and don't really leave me feeling like you are sinking your teeth into that read altho i suppose voting him and trying to build a wagon on him is a way of sinking your teeth into him.

[notscience]

There sure is a vote on me

Please, give a case on me, I could use a fight to get back into this game!

blame mastin :p

Mollie what do you think of icerink?

I'm not rally reading him based off him I'm more reading him based off mala but

I am never a fan of pbpa being an auto townread as you well know! the 1 thing that he has done that I liked was point out why he was sort of townreading cephrir.

but other than that I don't think iceyrent is doing anything that super wows me into going "iceyrent is so town!" but then I am NOT the best at reading him. I am not sure about him giving a pass to reck but ugh.

What do you think of his elaboration on mala's thought process re:me? That's the thing I have been like "okay that seems town"

[Cephrir]

I really did want something to fight but I know I won't get that from a mastinread

[pirate mollie]

There sure is a vote on me

Please, give a case on me, I could use a fight to get back into this game!

I have not been under the impression you ever left since you have consistently been posting and I have not picked up on 1 bit of apathy yet. so can you point to me where you were feeling like your head was not in the game?

[Cephrir]

Just today mostly

But also I want stronger reads than I have

[pirate mollie]

There sure is a vote on me

Please, give a case on me, I could use a fight to get back into this game!

blame mastin :p

Mollie what do you think of icerink?

I'm not rally reading him based off him I'm more reading him based off mala but

I am never a fan of pbpa being an auto townread as you well know! the 1 thing that he has done that I liked was point out why he was sort of townreading cephrir.

but other than that I don't think iceyrent is doing anything that super wows me into going "iceyrent is so town!" but then I am NOT the best at reading him. I am not sure about him giving a pass to reck but ugh.

What do you think of his elaboration on mala's thought process re:me? That's the thing I have been like "okay that seems town"

well I know how sneaky iceyrent can be and reading some1 as town cos they are townreading you is simply never a good idea and I am surprised that you don't know this.

I am just going to be honest with you; I am reluctant to fully trust or work with you cos I think you know the markers that I used to use to determine whether you were town or not. you used them in pvz and even helped me and kuribo lynch your scummate so no, I am treating you at arm's length until I can manage to solidify a read.

I am not sure how many times I have to tell pple that I am not having the easiest time of getting a foothold in the game even tho i keep trying. I just don't have anything solid to go on. like I am thoroughly worried about reck cos I attended the same social events that he did and he has about much to do as I do with his day.

right now I am waiting on answers to outstanding questions from him and shos and I am giving cephrir about a minute to answer my 1 to him.

the game just feels really surface right now

[pirate mollie]

Just today mostly

But also I want stronger reads than I have

I have been under the impression that you did have strong reads for instance like your iceyrent 1. so where is this coming from?

[notscience]

Tbh mollie I don't know the markers and just because I used them there doesn't mean I actually know them

And it's not so much that he is townreading me it's the progression, like I can actually see that being mala's progression of thoughts

[notscience]

Also the big issue with how I played in PvZ was I let you and others drive the lynches and followed behind them whereas here im trying to be proactive

[Cephrir]

I'm just going to reassess here, possibly over the weekend, and get my shit together. Until then, I'm probably going to continue spouting bullshit.

[Iecerint]

well I know how sneaky iceyrent can be

Mollie, when have you played with scumIec, other than Reckoning III meatworld games?

[pirate mollie]

well I know how sneaky iceyrent can be

Mollie, when have you played with scumIec, other than Reckoning III meatworld games?

myko's zombie game and that game where garmr and I never clicked in our hydra and then he got sitebanned for 6 months. I gut read you as scum for an unquantifiable reason in myko's and you flew under the radar in the other.

[Iecerint]

I don't remember the one that isn't myko's game, but I guess I believe you.

The myko game was kinda unusual because I was culted that game.

I asked because I think I had to replace out of some recent games with you, so you may have remembered my alignment incorrectly, and I couldn't think of such games.

[pirate mollie]

I am pretty sure you were already culted by the time I replaced in. the other game was an empking's large.

I am not sure what recent games you are thinking of that you had to replace out?

[Iecerint]

Spoiler: only for mollie, mostly off-topic

One that AP modded (Sabotage 2.0) and one that dram modded. I think you were only in the former.

My point re: the culted game was more that I think my cult behaviors differ from my scum behaviors.