8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[quadz08]

FYI - I'll be away from home until Monday. I'm not certain I'll have effective enough internet to do votecounts and stuff. I've informed the other mods of this, so someone should be able to keep tabs on this game over the weekend.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scum:

Nachomamma
Sotty
wgeurts
ZZZX

[Metal Sonic]

Well, that is sad news to hear. My condolences, GreyICE.

VOTE: nachomamma

I will still make my case and revote when you return to the game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Great vote, Sonic. Now we sit and wait.

[Metal Sonic]

Umm actually the way things are going you will have to *push*

Not so much of wait

[Metal Sonic]

Scum:

Nachomamma
Sotty
wgeurts
ZZZX

Try replacing ZZZX with seraphim. Or GreyICE. That would work.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think that Seraphim and GreyIce are town.

[Metal Sonic]

I will show you why GreyICE probably isn't.


Lol@ seraphim I think his behavior is clear

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm sure that Nacho is scum. He's participating elsewhere and avoiding this game, rationing his presence like if he said too much he might get suspected. That and the totally unnatural reversal on Kagami.

[Metal Sonic]

Ok. Just be aware that if he is indeed scum he would be the hardest one to lynch

[Metal Sonic]

So you will definitely need to do heavier heaving

[Albert B. Rampage]

You, me, and zzzy are the most widely townread players in the game. The fact that all of us are voting for Nacho carries a lot of weight.

[Metal Sonic]

Did you make a mistake in putting "zzzx" as scum?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not sure about him. He's widely seen as town. I have my reservations.

[EddieFenix]

@ABR and MS, got Mollie on my team reading Nacho as town. I'll see if I can get an update on that read from her. Oiiiiii. Been a long couple of days with college. Comin back a bit this weekend full force for sure.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well Mollie is wrong. We hope you join us in voting out obvscum Nacho.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Don't rebel against me, Sonic, and zzzy. We are your town reads. Vote with us. Your team said zzzy, me and Sonic are town. All three of us are voting Nacho. What do you hope to achieve by competing against us?

[Metal Sonic]

@ABR and MS, got Mollie on my team reading Nacho as town. I'll see if I can get an update on that read from her. Oiiiiii. Been a long couple of days with college. Comin back a bit this weekend full force for sure.

GreyICE is on the table. You can enjoy to slam him

[Albert B. Rampage]

Most townread players:

Albert B. Rampage
Metal Sonic
ZZZX

(in your mind, 4 scum in 7, not including yourself, remain from these players)
GreyICE
EddieFenix
Kagami
Nachomamma8
Seraphim
Sotty7
wgeurts
Zar


The rest of the town can't even achieve a majority lynch without us. We are the beacons of this town. If we're wrong, okay, we'll adjust our play and re-assess. We will take the pedal off the metal. Right now, why not give us the benefit of the doubt and help us lynch the player we think is the most likely to be scum?

[EddieFenix]

@ABR and MS, got Mollie on my team reading Nacho as town. I'll see if I can get an update on that read from her. Oiiiiii. Been a long couple of days with college. Comin back a bit this weekend full force for sure.

GreyICE is on the table. You can enjoy to slam him

I will GLADLY string up GreyIce

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well guess what, GreyIce refuses to lynch Nacho. Absolutely refuses. Will not contemplate it. What does that tell you about breaking up the two of them, starting with the person your three townreads are voting?

I think Grey's biggest fault as town is that he gets distracted too easily by personalities he clashes with. He did make a mistake and town read Hoopla for a moment, but his town read of Hoopla didn't hold up very long. I have no problems with that at all because if a Hoopla wagon forms and we need Grey's vote, we will get it.

Nacho also talks as if Grey Ice is town. Nacho calls G Ice "scum's most likely mislynch".

GreyICE - This is scum's likeliest mislynch for today. She will not move from her tunnelfest with GI, despite her being aware of tunnelfests being the only way that town could possibly lose a nightless game.

Just add your vote to our mighty bandwagon of justice. Don't hesitate. Don't wait for content. This is it.

[quadz08]

Votecount 2.4

Kagami (4) - GreyICE, Nachomamma8, Zar, wgeurts
Nachomamma8 (3) - Albert B. Rampage, ZZZX, Metal Sonic
Seraphim (1) - Sotty7

Not Voting (3) - EddieFenix, Kagami, Seraphim

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

GreyICE is V/LA through 4/11.

Seraphim has been prodded.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).[/color][/b]

[wgeurts]

So I've reread and here are my thoughts on everyone as promised:

Town:

Spoiler: ABR

Where do I begin? He started looking town when he heavily reacted to my attempt to sort him early-game, the way he reacted in itself holds no content yet still fits very well into a town mind-set. His reads are hard, solid and don't flow wherever there's most likely to be a lynch. This lock-on type of play is more what I'm expecting from town ABR, I may disagree with his reads however that doesn't deny the fact that he's town.
Honestly, he's so clearly town (most people also see this) that I don't really have to go into this read. Feel free to question me on it if you must.

Spoiler: GreyICE

Now, lets start with the Sotty read. It seem real in my opinion, it however starts to feel a little biased as it develops. Much like me read on MetalSonic was, however my team members showed me that he's probably town despite his push on me being, eh, factually wrong. I believe sotty is also town, which I'll explain in the lovely sotty spoiler.
The things that make me town read her are the small things: He try's to get discussion going early game for example(requesting prods etc.) which fits a town motivated view. That alone isn't near enough to base a whole town read on, there are other things:
There's an honesty in his reads and thought process which is clearly visible and consistent throughout all the game up till now. His reads also seem natural and not forged, like Eddie's or kagami's. Look at the following for instance:

Well for one I wrote up an entire nice post about why Sotty's rubbed me wrong far beyond tokens.

For two, wqierts, ABR, nacho, you are town.

Hoopla's entrance was super notinteresting. Like almost deliberately so.

Eddie is either not reading what I'm saying or pretending not to. He's used that to ignore the rest of the game.

Wolf wagon is weak, but people on it are town. That's enough for a vote in a setup like this, but I have more axes to grind on people Before the day is out.

Oh zar likes scum more than empire. His non posting is making me sad. Empire was townish thoigh, so that gets some cred. Think the switch wasn't about this game, but WHO switched might be.

I don't know what others see but it to me these reads seem legit.

There's also that outburst at kagami, I doubt it's faked and it looks like frustrated town.

I don't really know how to better explain this read however it's pretty strong, you can show me why he's scum and I will comment.

ZZZX, Metal Sonic - Ask me if you want explanations.
Sotty - making a separate post for him.
Nacho - same as sotty, making le post.

Scum:

Spoiler: Eddie

His early game play looks like he's just trying to appear pro-active, the posts however contain very little content and there is definitely no visible though process of read being formed. Most of his reads are fully unexplained, something that in my opinion is anti-town.
Then there's also how his scum reads were so convenient; Seraphim, me, Hoopla and ICE are all easy to push reads. Why would this this be scummy? Well it basically means that if a wagon appears to get enough traction to actually become a lynch on one of them he can jump on it using the reads as a statement, the fact he's barely explained them also makes it easy to get on a wagon. As he can't contradict himself he can just suddenly find reasons to explain his read whenever he sees fit.
Or he just never explains them and hops on a wagon, like, say hoopla.

Spoiler: Kagami

So her reasons for her scum read are terrible, she's ignoring nearly everyone but ICE, her reads are pure BS and her content is horrible. I'll make a separate post to explain all of this.

Zar - Making separate post for him.
Seraphim - Weakest of the four scum reads, mostly gut. I'll be looking at his ISO figuring out why in a second. Probably make another post on him.

[ZZZX]

ZZZX, Nacho was part of that bloc. (Or am I wrong?)
Why the drop?
Need to catch up and am doing that now so expect stuff

He never ever was. Add that to the fact I scum read him all uesterday except the first page ( and tried to lynch him)

[ZZZX]

Scum:

Nachomamma
Sotty
wgeurts
ZZZX

This is interesting. Both me and wgerts were in the top of your town list. Is my refusal to vote nacho allignment indicative enough to drop the town bloc? Because I dont trust nobody if you ask me. Not even you