We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Titus]

Mod, I'll revoke for now, but if it gets nasty, I will do it and I won't take it back.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

@Voided,

I would like to sync up on our reads while your waiting for Bulba. I'd still like to get a decent townblock going to really force scum to start going after each other.

Welp, ask away. 'Tis a little late for me as I type this, but I can try to answer tomorrow.

one thing that really just occured to me is that nuke from orbit could be a 3rd anti-town kill; BBmolla's ability could be setting them up for a 'free' extra kill. That being said, it could be a one-shot and a townskip would still avoid some incineration and evisceration.

While all of this is possible, we just don't have enough information regarding that to make any real conclusions. I don't feel like it's overly worth scrutinizing right now.

BRantz voted me because he felt that the ongoing bullshit of Titus v. Drixx needed to be settled. That doesn't apply if said bullshit isn't an issue (and you had me napping with a note that I'd give thoughts when I woke, and Titus asking to replace out ... so I clearly had reason to sort BRantz into the possible scum list, even if I derped on what I typed next to his name).

Considering how often both of you keep bringing it up while trying to sound like you're reluctant to do so (more you than him, IMO, but you both are at fault), I'm not seeing why he's scummy for the position he took. BRantz also hadn't posted since that vote on you until he had just asked you about your read on him, so unless you think that BRantz is trying to opportunistically jump on your read of him, I don't really see your point.

If it was daykill, Ozgin should have been dead. I'm extremely leaning towards it being delayed NK.

If I did have to spec on that kill, though, I would be following this line of logic.

@Voided,

I would like to sync up on our reads while your waiting for Bulba. I'd still like to get a decent townblock going to really force scum to start going after each other.

Welp, ask away. 'Tis a little late for me as I type this, but I can try to answer tomorrow.

one thing that really just occured to me is that nuke from orbit could be a 3rd anti-town kill; BBmolla's ability could be setting them up for a 'free' extra kill. That being said, it could be a one-shot and a townskip would still avoid some incineration and evisceration.

While all of this is possible, we just don't have enough information regarding that to make any real conclusions. I don't feel like it's overly worth scrutinizing right now.

BRantz voted me because he felt that the ongoing bullshit of Titus v. Drixx needed to be settled. That doesn't apply if said bullshit isn't an issue (and you had me napping with a note that I'd give thoughts when I woke, and Titus asking to replace out ... so I clearly had reason to sort BRantz into the possible scum list, even if I derped on what I typed next to his name).

Considering how often both of you keep bringing it up while trying to sound like you're reluctant to do so (more you than him, IMO, but you both are at fault), I'm not seeing why he's scummy for the position he took. BRantz also hadn't posted since that vote on you until he had just asked you about your read on him, so unless you think that BRantz is trying to opportunistically jump on your read of him, I don't really see your point.

If it was daykill, Ozgin should have been dead. I'm extremely leaning towards it being delayed NK.

If I did have to spec on that kill, though, I would be following this line of logic.

Also Bulba, mastin would be interacting with me a lot more as town imo

Mastin has pretty much not made a single post (or at least a single worthwhile post) since the two posts detailing her V/LA back on D1 and around page...40-ish, I think. She's not interacting because she's not freaking here.

(I swear, there's some kind of cosmic force that is preventing Mastin from getting into games when she hydras. It happened with Second Void, and now here.)

One thing is puzzling me about the Red mafia's action... why would red scum deliberately block the commuter? ika prides himself on being a little irrational but he's not THAT irrational. I don't see why Pirate ika would lie about that either, since they weren't at auto lynch...

Maybe they didn't fully believe OC's claim, or something?

-Ivy (last post for tonight, probly)

[Titus]

@BC, but why? Weren't there a few other PRs that had claimed at that point that would be more pressing to block than a mislynch target?

[the freekazoid]

@Drixx you are also ignoring that at the time I made the vote we were a little over 2 days away from deadline, and you two had litterally been going at each other again for pages. Explain to me how thinking this was going to potentially turn into a 1v1 until one of you was dead is out of line.

I know and like your town game Drixx, you are an awesome asset when you want to be, I want to see more of the Drixx that freely gave reads a little bit ago (albeit very OMGUS ones), and less of the "whine because life is so unfair" Drixx. That is all.

With deadline being on hold right now, I will

UNVOTE:

I'm in the middle of ISOing folks, but I just want to take a moment to metaphorically bitchslap everybody for not lynching ActionDan.

First, he calls Drixx scum
Then, he thinks Drixx is town for having a similar role
Then, he finds something suspicious and starts suspecting Drixx again & briefly votes Drixx before hopping off with the excuse of wanting to trigger BBMolla's ability.
After that point, he never returns to vote or even question Drixx

How often does Town!ActionDan just drop a line of questioning when he's suspicious of somebody?

That's actually a better post that describes why AD is scum. My readwall just has a Cliff's Notes version.

@House did you ever get an answer to the question at the end or was it Rhetorical? I don't have much experience playing with AD so talk to me about it a little more. Your case seems decent though. If you haven't already read it I think the discussion between him and Drixx about their BPness might also be of interest to you for your read, and either way does it influence your read? (if you have read it, if not let me know after you do)

@Titus: I am glad you are staying.

[BRantz]

@Drixx you are also ignoring that at the time I made the vote we were a little over 2 days away from deadline, and you two had litterally been going at each other again for pages. Explain to me how thinking this was going to potentially turn into a 1v1 until one of you was dead is out of line.

I know and like your town game Drixx, you are an awesome asset when you want to be, I want to see more of the Drixx that freely gave reads a little bit ago (albeit very OMGUS ones), and less of the "whine because life is so unfair" Drixx. That is all.

With deadline being on hold right now, I will

UNVOTE:

I'm in the middle of ISOing folks, but I just want to take a moment to metaphorically bitchslap everybody for not lynching ActionDan.

First, he calls Drixx scum
Then, he thinks Drixx is town for having a similar role
Then, he finds something suspicious and starts suspecting Drixx again & briefly votes Drixx before hopping off with the excuse of wanting to trigger BBMolla's ability.
After that point, he never returns to vote or even question Drixx

How often does Town!ActionDan just drop a line of questioning when he's suspicious of somebody?

That's actually a better post that describes why AD is scum. My readwall just has a Cliff's Notes version.

@House did you ever get an answer to the question at the end or was it Rhetorical? I don't have much experience playing with AD so talk to me about it a little more. Your case seems decent though. If you haven't already read it I think the discussion between him and Drixx about their BPness might also be of interest to you for your read, and either way does it influence your read? (if you have read it, if not let me know after you do)

@Titus: I am glad you are staying.

Well that is awkward...

[House]

@Drixx you are also ignoring that at the time I made the vote we were a little over 2 days away from deadline, and you two had litterally been going at each other again for pages. Explain to me how thinking this was going to potentially turn into a 1v1 until one of you was dead is out of line.

I know and like your town game Drixx, you are an awesome asset when you want to be, I want to see more of the Drixx that freely gave reads a little bit ago (albeit very OMGUS ones), and less of the "whine because life is so unfair" Drixx. That is all.

With deadline being on hold right now, I will

UNVOTE:

I'm in the middle of ISOing folks, but I just want to take a moment to metaphorically bitchslap everybody for not lynching ActionDan.

First, he calls Drixx scum
Then, he thinks Drixx is town for having a similar role
Then, he finds something suspicious and starts suspecting Drixx again & briefly votes Drixx before hopping off with the excuse of wanting to trigger BBMolla's ability.
After that point, he never returns to vote or even question Drixx

How often does Town!ActionDan just drop a line of questioning when he's suspicious of somebody?

That's actually a better post that describes why AD is scum. My readwall just has a Cliff's Notes version.

@House did you ever get an answer to the question at the end or was it Rhetorical? I don't have much experience playing with AD so talk to me about it a little more. Your case seems decent though. If you haven't already read it I think the discussion between him and Drixx about their BPness might also be of interest to you for your read, and either way does it influence your read? (if you have read it, if not let me know after you do)

ActionDan was tenacious in F2F mafia, but I don't know his forum mafia game. So the question wasn't entirely rhetorical. However, I can't picture town!Dan just dropping his suspicions based on the games we played F2F.

[Boonskiies]

Sorry about the mia, guys. I am in tech week for a production I'm in. Finally the end of the week. Will catch up hopefully in the morning tomorrow.

[Toon Fighter]

guys shouldn't we lynch someone ? who's with me?

vote: Drixx

[Cuttlefish]

Vote Count 3.10

BBmolla (4)

- deathfisaro, Titus, Cerberus v666, Narninian, BBmolla

Drixx (3)

- ChriVi, Bulbasaur Commonwealth, Toon Fighter

Titus (2)

- Drixx, Boonskiies

ActionDan (2)

- PeregrineV, House

Oranje Crush (1)

- vonflare

Boonskiies (1)

- ActionDan

Not Voting (5)

: elusive, Oranje Crush, Three-Pronged Trouser God, LucianRoy, BRantz

With 18 votes in play, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-11 10:14:33).

Deadline is suspended while I search for replacements.

elusive replaces Om of the Nom. Welcome!

ActionDan and vonflare are being replaced.

[Titus]

Thanks Elusive. You're a doll.

Now, onto the game. I generally don't read but jump right in. Pick anything at random and ask a quwstion or state a position.

[Narninian]

Hey guys

Lets Lynch somebody:

Oranje -
ActionDan
Drixx

if not them Maybe...

Boonskies
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Lets not lynch:
Titus - I mean this could be a play, but I just get the frustrated townie vibe here
Bulbasaur Commonwealth - seems town to me


Lets absolutely not lynch
BBmolla (if nothing else lets trigger him first)
Toon Fighter - Mason!
Three-Pronged Trouser God - Mason!
House - Cop!
Narninian (I *May* be slightly biased on this one but losing the redirect would be a shame, useful and its my favorite ability ever )

[elusive]

Hi everyone! I'm confirming my replace in!

Titus <3

I don't think I will be able to read 197 pages as Spring Break is almost over but I will try to ISO players and things that strike me.

Looking just at Cuttlefish in ISO and doing light VCA:
1. I've played with a few of the people in this game as my alt (estival) so hi

2. There is a red mafia and an orange mafia. How bastard is this game? I don't see any setup info so is it closed?

3. VC 1.06 - VysePresident was a good wagon and I probably need to look in on those people. Vonflare seemed to the alternate wagon to that (hey you silly flare, no tricks this time ) so the people on his wagon may be more mafia? Ika was also on the von wagon so von may have been the town alternate for both mafia? Also how many mafia are possible in this setup total?
Stopping at VC 2.03 for now.

Oh sadness Vonflare replaced out, he's fun to play with.

Titus, these are my preliminary thoughts and questions. I will ISO the two scum tonight to do interaction analysis and then recheck with the VCs.

Is there anything you think I should know or focus on?

Also Titus, are you town?

[elusive]

Narnian, are you stating there are three outed town roles?

[Narninian]

Hi everyone! I'm confirming my replace in!

Titus <3

I don't think I will be able to read 197 pages as Spring Break is almost over but I will try to ISO players and things that strike me.

Looking just at Cuttlefish in ISO and doing light VCA:
1. I've played with a few of the people in this game as my alt (estival) so hi

2. There is a red mafia and an orange mafia. How bastard is this game? I don't see any setup info so is it closed?

3. VC 1.06 - VysePresident was a good wagon and I probably need to look in on those people. Vonflare seemed to the alternate wagon to that (hey you silly flare, no tricks this time ) so the people on his wagon may be more mafia? Ika was also on the von wagon so von may have been the town alternate for both mafia? Also how many mafia are possible in this setup total?
Stopping at VC 2.03 for now.

Oh sadness Vonflare replaced out, he's fun to play with.

Titus, these are my preliminary thoughts and questions. I will ISO the two scum tonight to do interaction analysis and then recheck with the VCs.

Is there anything you think I should know or focus on?

Also Titus, are you town?

Since you're looking at votes - a couple factors you might want to keep in mind in case you miss it from posts

A) Titus has claimed (and proved) the ability to get 2 votes and 0 votes with his votes on alternate days
B) BBMolla has claimed to have the ability to skip a night if he gets the second most votes, so a lot of the votes on him might be because of that and not because people are actually trying to lynch him (at least for me)

[Titus]

There's 8 max, 6 possible living scum. This is two games smushed together.

In Cuttle's ISO says not bastard and defines it.

The behavioral analysis is good since no bias.

Totes town btw.

[Drixx]

Narnian, are you stating there are three outed town roles?

Almost everyone has claimed. Nice to see you again Elusive. Did I forget to respond to our prior PM convo?

[Narninian]

Narnian, are you stating there are three outed town roles?

There are a ton of 'claimed' town roles, none of them are mod confirmed or anything.

ToonFighter+Trouser God have claimed Masons
ChriVi was claimed to be town by Cerebrus (1 way mason?)

[Titus]

@Elusive,

Pretty much the only people who haven't claimed are being replaced.

[Titus]

oh and you...

[deathfisaro]

the freekazoid is BRantz?

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B) BBMolla has claimed to have the ability to skip a night if he gets the second most votes, so a lot of the votes on him might be because of that and not because people are actually trying to lynch him (at least for me)

I can't recall anyone voting BBmolla with the intention of actually lynching him.
I'm in the pro-night skip today party but I can't say I have enough evidence to prove it indeed is objectively better for town to use today. I just believe it is so.

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I think the extension should be 5 days because vonflare asked for replacedment on 6th and is still hasn't been replaced =P
And given the number of posts, a couple day extension might not be enough for replacements to get into the game and function as a full player.
(also if we don't see enough substantial posts from them, they are possibly getting a free pass for this day anyway)

[PeregrineV]

@Whoever

- to get clarification on the whole thing. Turns out it was interpretation instead.

@Molla

- OK, cool

@Everyone else

- Listen to House

[Titus]

@All - Are we looking at Boxxed scum that cannot find a mislynch to push?

I'm prod dodging for awhile, unless I see replacements are found.

@PV - Thoughts on D1 wagons now?

[BRantz]

Yes the freekazoid is me. Forgot I was logged into my hydra.

@PV: Are you just seeping house or do you have reasons of your own?

[House]

Yes the freekazoid is me. Forgot I was logged into my hydra.

@PV: Are you just seeping house or do you have reasons of your own?

Doesn't matter. Unless somebody steps up and says, "ActionDan completely stops questioning/voting scumspects for no good reason when he's town", then he's scum.

[Titus]

Yes the freekazoid is me. Forgot I was logged into my hydra.

@PV: Are you just seeping house or do you have reasons of your own?

Doesn't matter. Unless somebody steps up and says, "ActionDan completely stops questioning/voting scumspects for no good reason when he's town", then he's scum.

Not liking the binary thinking. He's had weeks between posts. It's possible he forgot/got distracted. This isn't an easy game House.