Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Gammagooey]

his tammy read seems like it's more likely than not coming from town, I'm pretty much ignoring all of his posts about nightplay garbage since it could be easily coming from town or scum imo.

[Cheetory6]

his tammy read seems like it's more likely than not coming from town

What specifically about it pings you that way? Just a gutfeel or is there something more logical to it?

[Espeonage]

2. I actually spent token(s) on making myself town because I want to win TM.
3. The only time I don't choose scum when given a choice is when I really want to win or need to do it to eradicate choice meta. Both of those need me to be town.

Are you better at town than scum? Can you talk more about the reasoning behind why you spent tokens on being town?

Yeah, I have a well reputed history of having a super accurate gut and a super terribad scumgame. I'm only good as scum if I can get theatre going.

I wanted to be town here so I have a better chance of winning, fairly simple.

Why did you spend your first ten posts chiding Titus instead of scumhunting?

Because I hadn't read. If I'm behind in games I will usually get in an argument with someone. It's the best way to get people chatting, good for getting fast reads. See Capcom for me trying to do the same kind of thing. Other examples are [REDACTED]

I keep telling myself to fight against doing anything more than nullreading his ridiculous "I should get baned posts" because I don't see any reason why scum wouldn't be aiming to try and tryhard an "I am way too ignorant to be scum" persona.

Probs doesn't count for much, but I don't think I'm a NK target. I saw no reason for me to be worried if scum know my sign. They would rather shoot elsewhere I presume and I've already outed myself as a VT.

Also swapping itself is null in the same way replacing due to being swamped is null. If you are under fire and you swap, that seems pretty suspect as it is mechanically different to replacing.

It bugs me that you didn't say this again when people started using this logic against TTH.

If you look just above, I pointed out that I wasn't aware of other reasoning past vezok's thing. That would explain why everyone started the day with voting tbh. Was a bit confused about that.

I think Bulba might be town.

I've never been able to read him but just from a couple of posts and the things people are saying I'm going to go town.

So you can't read him, but you're throwing a townread at him because ???????

Reasons. Yes I have a terrible time trying to read bulba. But I'm noticing some things that haven't come up in his play before and those make me lean town.

I don't actually think I can read Tammy except in cases where she is being very town in her own way which isn't happening here.

How did you start confidently scumreading her later this cycle then?

Thinking

I'm getting more and more happy in my read that you're scum. Truth be told I found myself unapproving of the tth wagon simply because you were on it which took me by surprise tbh. Your tone here doesn't read to me like the frustrated got irl stuff tone as far as I can tell, which is about the only explanation I have for the amount of scumminess I am feeling from your posts. And even if that is the reasoning for your tone it still doesn't mean you're town, it takes it to null, at most. I don't have the most experience with you but I'm going off what I do have. And your responses to people here for the most part aren't looking town.

Can you pull specific examples of that you're finding scummy about her responses/tone?

It's most of it. She usually respects and embraces reachouts in my experience. She even scumread mollie after she didn't react to a reachout from her. There's a disjoint and that usually means scum.

I feel slightly marginally less convinced than I was before that Zar/Empire/singer vs Esp interactions could be scum/scum on reread, but there's enough in here that a vote on Esp is decent enough. Will make a case depending on answers.

Responses in bold.

[Cheetory6]

But I'm noticing some things that haven't come up in his play before and those make me lean town.

Can you talk about these? Or is it just gut?

[Gammagooey]

@cheet-Mostly gut but the way he responded to people when Tammy was a boon possibility feels pretty likely to be town thoughts and motivation to me

[Cheetory6]

Just because of the timing of it and going against the grain of all of the townreads on Tammy sort of dealio? Or something more subtle than that?

[Espeonage]

But I'm noticing some things that haven't come up in his play before and those make me lean town.

Can you talk about these? Or is it just gut?

There are actual reasons. But if I say stuff he'll modulate play and I'm not solid on the read. I'd rather keep it close to chest for the moment.

[Espeonage]

btw, it makes no difference to game state seeing as I can't do anything with the info. But I detected you cheet.

[Cheetory6]

Why me? :/

[Espeonage]

You were being pretty widely townread, wanted to get us something good.

[Cheetory6]

How is knowing my sign getting something good?

[Espeonage]

Because I misread what detect does.

[vezokpiraka]

You were being pretty widely townread, wanted to get us something good.

What did you expect? This makes no sense. What did you think would happen if you detected cheetory?

[Cheetory6]

:/

[Cheetory6]

I'll hate you so much if you're scum and playing obtuse like this on purpose. Lol.

[Espeonage]

You were being pretty widely townread, wanted to get us something good.

What did you expect? This makes no sense. What did you think would happen if you detected cheetory?

been over this. I thought something good happened if you guessed correctly and something bad happened if you guessed wrong.

[Titus]

@Vezok, That being said quite a few roles beyond doctor might investigate the signs of town. If he is run up against my wishes, we can analyze then. There's jailkeep, bodyguard, Titusonian townie (someone who scumreads a universal townread), just for a few.

So you mean doc with roleblock and doc that dies and idiots. I'm pretty sure tth isn't an idiot.

You are pissing me off and shredding the tiwn feels I had on you.

You are playing semantic garbage. You were insisting only doctors would investigate DV and niw you are semanticing everything to fit that. Cops might also check DV. Also you imply people who don't go along with the majority are stupid.

Are you trying to make me angry?

[Titus]

This is precisely why I did not want traces and detects claimed. While we don't know what TTH us, you can bet scum do.

[Gammagooey]

Just because of the timing of it and going against the grain of all of the townreads on Tammy sort of dealio? Or something more subtle than that?

his comments regarding tammy's boon feel purposeful and like he's trying to affect the game for the better in a way that I think makes more sense coming from town than scum.

[Gammagooey]

hey cheet, why are you still voting esp? the tone of your posts seems to suggest that you're at least not particularly confident in him faking the obtuseness as scum.

[Titus]

hey cheet, why are you still voting esp? the tone of your posts seems to suggest that you're at least not particularly confident in him faking the obtuseness as scum.

Leading the player..ewww

[Titus]

We need to get a wagon going based on more than pressure. Please.

[Cheetory6]

You're more or less right in that I'm only kind of scumreading Esp after this last exchange. I just don't really know who I'd want to vote for right now alternatively.
I have a bunch of slight scumreads, and if I felt particularly strongly about someone else I'd probably switch, but as of right now it'd just be kind of a vanity vote which I'm not really a huge fan of outside of RVS.

[Cheetory6]

Who should we be wagoning Titus?
Pitch me a case.

[Titus]

@Cheetory, There's Espy for his fake obtuseness. Bulba because universal scumread, Singer fir their crap. I feel Bulba should not be wagoned but we need to actually start working together. I am not going to take over the game or force my way but I am very frustrated here.