We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[deathfisaro]

Well how do we comfortably put BBMolla at 2nd biggest?
PL anyone who is against nightskipping?

[Narninian]

For People are confused about my role;

Each night I target one player and redirect the first kill targeting that player to another player.
If I target the original killer(s) or an invalid target then my redirect fails.

I don't get any feedback, and I don't know how timing works if there are multiple kill attempts. I assume they have an order predetermined.

[Narninian]

'invalid target' fits with commuter because I can't target somebody thats not there.

[Cerberus v666]

SO are you saying you targeted OC Narn?

[Narninian]

no

[Narninian]

just saying I think my redirect would fail if I did.

[Narninian]

and confirms he probably does commute ( I believe that part of his/their claim)

[House]

That night skip bullshit is a distraction. Hunt scum, kill scum.

Err'thang else is colored bubbles.

[God of Power Outlets]

Pika as it is was hard defending Trouser and so I think that is another scum.

mollie always sucks up to me when she's scum; our first game together she was scum and i shouted her into dirt

and i'd hardly say she was defending me when she was flat-out calling me scum in these posts:

ok two things:


1- I said this in the mason PT and I'll say it here, setup spec is the most boring fucking thing ever. Stop fucking claiming every five seconds and stop trying to outguess the mod. It literally makes me hate all of you.

2- if ozgin is claiming a guilty on mollie, there's only one play to make: one of them has to die

unvote
Vote: pirate ika

That's all. Having a shitty day, don't bother engaging me if you have soft feelings

-kuribo, the Crimson Fucker

you are fucking retarded

THERE IS 1 DEATH HEY YEAH EVEN WITH A GLOBAL BUS DRIVER WE ARE STILL PRETTY FUCKING TOWN HERE I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO OUR ROLE BLOCK COS NO1 IS CLAIMING THAT THEY RECEIVED FRUIT AND I AM LOOKING ORANGE BUT THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER EXPLANATION

I'm not the one with a CLAIMED FUCKING COP GUILTY ON ME


come the fuck on you're smart enough to know how this works, there is no fucking way you live through that


If you flip town, I'll spend the rest of the game transforming myself into your avatar of hate and spreading carnage through the ranks while power fucking Ozgin. But there is no fucking way I'm disregarding a claimed guilty.

I have lived through 5 times. do you wanna see?

ask tboner cos he claimed a cop guilty on me too!

then there was desp. metal did it too but he lacked the oompf behind it.

you can't shut me up. I will outscreech you, my voice is higher pitched.

I am trying to tell you that something happened last night that incredibly wonky. some1 shld be claiming fruit by now and orange isn't so I don't think our role block landed on him! unless he is lying but I am so trying hard to not turn into a paranoid freakshow.

do you think he is lying?

fucking help me

@Elusive - That's an interesting breadcrumb you're doing. I wonder if I'm picking it up correctly. We'll have to see. I won't blurt out my guess and I wouldn't even mention it if you weren't being so blatant about it

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DO THIS

Vote: ActionDan

Nothing of value will be lost here, not a fan of his play and I can't read him for shit anyway

I was actually going to propose that we use a leashed SK to kill me first, lol. A leashed SK is basically someone who is gonna lose either way but gets to keep having fun with a fun role, and it's really down to the town block directing him how it turns out. Again, you appeal to some prior game that isn't THIS game as if it has any bearing on this game. A replacement into an SK slot would almost certainly willingly leash to at least derive some fun out of things, and with a good town block, solid logic and PoE ... that's a huge town asset.

absofuckinglutely not


a living SK is a self-aligned element, which makes it unpredictable.

In other words, Vyse knew he could easily attempt to paint Brantz as scum in my eyes because I was literally the first person to start questioning Brantz's reads and such. For some time, I really did think Brantz was quite scummy, but that wore off. Vyse's pursual did not. The opportunity was already taken.

Vyse could have been scumhunting Brantz though- it's multiball, so scum are going to do that

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the crimson fucker has spoken. now that uncouth mafia is over, i can catch up better on this thread and i'll post a kurmometer before i go to work later today

[Drixx]

Kuribo ... as a rule I don't generally even acknowledge breadcrumbs, but really ... read the posts immediately preceding that post. Elusive flat out told Titus that she was going to breadcrumb and hoped Titus figured it out. If you are gonna put a riddle in the thread and announce beforehand that you are doing so, that sort of seems to invalidate the normal "Ye shall not acknowledge breadcrumbs by PRs" statute. Weren't you complaining earlier about people sucking the fun out of this game for you?

Anyway, to answer your question, which I suspect was driven by you skimming and not realizing that Elusive explicitly said she was going to crumb her role, I said that because I want to discuss the riddle after the game is over and it will be a reminder to do so. That's all.

It would have been cool if you had responded to my thoughts on the rather large prob/conftown block I think we have, my thoughts about AD being the SK (even if nobody wants to risk leashing him, which I get as it's not exactly the easiest thing to pull off properly), my thoughts on Scum!Titus who is playing against her meta while appealing to her meta at the same time. You know ... the actual post where I said "What the hell... I'll try and get back into the game. Brain ... what do you want to think about" and let it do its thing while I passed the day stressful and would otherwise have been obsessing about unfounded fears.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Wow that's a scummy post

What? I can't suggest a kill, now, when you're talking about leashing?

(Nevermind that at best you're a distraction right now)

You're complaining that I'm not forming townblocks while convienently ignoring "hat buddies". Just because my block doesn't include who YOU want, doesn't mean it's any less of an attempt to form a townblock.

Doesn't Venus suggest that townblocks be formed naturally, and not really picked by a player or two?

{I generally distrust meta as a strong indicator tool, but Titus has been appealing to meta all game, so I think it would be a little odd of her to claim to be playing to meta but drop this one really strong part out}

That's...not an appeal to meta unless Titus SPECIFICALLY calls back to times she used townblocks for town wins. Which I don't recall Titus ever doing. And while I agree that conftowns like them should be considered for townblocks (picked or natural), that doesn't mean they should be shoe-ins. Chrivi may be conftown, sure, but I wouldn't put them into a townblock this game given their participation (and in some ways, their reads from what I recall).

Yeah ... I'm going to call that a lawyer answer. The "hat buddies" thing has felt contrived all game, and you are excluding highly probable town and in fact calling them into question instead of trying to gain from the difficulty they pose to the mafia.

To be completely fair, two of the four known "masons" (again counting cerb/Chriv as a mason pair for this) are/were lurking the shit out of this game.

Ok I can see that House. Not getting in the way. My vote is worthless though and I'm going to stay here in the event of a tie is needed to trigger BBMolla.

So does your vote count or not? You sound like you expect your non-existent vote to sway things here.

Elusive's catch-up just feels odd to me. I mean, I guess I understand that reading all of this game would be a big waste of time, but some of the things she's (he's?) asking just seem weird to ask, like about Marquis and NMI, or about copper.

The content of those posts is relevant. If they were all pure fluff prod dodging posts, then all we know from them is that ActionDan didn't say anything substantial. We don't know the reasons why. Now, if they were substantial posts about OTHER PEOPLE, and substantial interactions, then yes, it's very suspect the way he just dropped it completely for no reason.

That's still posts not spent posting about AD. It's also posts not spent explaining why he wasn't still going after AD (regardless of whether or not anyone asked him about it).

Again, you appeal to some prior game that isn't THIS game as if it has any bearing on this game.

Actually, regarding SK leashing, it kinda does.

I don't like how you're constantly belittling Titus for no real purpose.

Drixx: He would have stuck with the original claim then, and not downgraded it to Macho cop, if he was actually scum. Pretty sure he's town.

Because scum never gambit right?

{Remind me to point you to a game once it's over. There's something there that will blow your mind. This is totally tangental.}

It'd be a completely stupid gambit with absolutely no tangible benefit and quite a bit of drawbacks. Mainly because, being a macho cop (real or not), he can't take any protectives, and has to rely on his team being correct in blocks. And if he IS shot and doesn't die then he'd most likely be lynched for not being macho.

That night skip bullshit is a distraction. Hunt scum, kill scum.

Err'thang else is colored bubbles.

except not really?

-Ivy

[Cerberus v666]

Ivy: I was talking about ActionDan not going after drixx for 23 posts during the timeframe one of your heads asked house about, with the whole RL days question. Not sure who you think I"m talking about.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

I meant Drixx, sorry.

[Drixx]

I meant Drixx, sorry.

Titus has said her share of belittling things my way this game. The fact that you two have a friendship that predates my arrival simply biases you to take more offense at what I've said than what Titus has said. Titus

started

the nastiness between us. I don't ever start with people, but when rational discourse fails, I will respond to someone the way they're dealing with me. There's a particular quote I tend to apply to mafia, which comes from what I consider to this day the finest television series ever to run:

"David Sheridan: What was the first lesson I ever taught you?
Captain John Sheridan: Never start a fight; but always finish it." - "Severed Dreams", Season 3, Episode 10,

Babylon 5

I generally try and keep mafia as far away from emotion and such as I can. I can be a bit snarky, but I never start with the namecalling or the profanity or any of the stuff that bumps up against (or crosses) the line between civil and inappropriate. If someone comes at me, and reason fails, I will finish that fight. Every time. If you're a rational person, you can look at my ISO and see this exact philosophy on display as the day 2 fight started and played out.

Titus and I are both guilty of taking swings at each other this game, and after the game is over, I hope we settle it and make friends, because that's just the sort of person I am. There isn't a single need in the world to make enemies on a forum playing a game. There's all the reason in the world to make friends and sharpen your mind with other similar people and share the enjoyment of the game.

And that, I hope, really

will

be the last need to address that mess. It ought to be left weeks in the past where it belongs.

[Cerberus v666]

Drixx, you're bringing it up when it's irrelevant. Bulbasaur was talking about the case against ActionDan, where he said accidentally said actiondan, instead of drixx, when discussing actiondan's push against you D1.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

I wasn't. Even.

Talking about that!

I mean, did you even read my post at all?! Look at what Cerb was talking about?

This is EXACTLY why none of your complaints about Titus "bringing it up over and over again" hold no water. YOU brought this back up again when

I

never even MENTIONED IT in that post. Ever. Hell, the Titus/you part I mentioned was in the last couple of pages!

So how about YOU listen up and YOU read something for one damn time?

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Also like to point out that Titus and I really only have, like, one completed game we've been in together. I have read a couple games Titus has been in (X-Men: Apocalypse, mainly) and modded games Titus has been in (BB: HoH, HUB2), but beyond that we don't know each other. I don't even know what games of mine she's read.

Also also, Titus may have

started

it, but

you

are perpetuating it. Just because it began with Titus doesn't make you be off the hook if you keep bringing it up like a dead horse trope.

[Drixx]

I wasn't. Even.

Talking about that!

I mean, did you even read my post at all?! Look at what Cerb was talking about?

This is EXACTLY why none of your complaints about Titus "bringing it up over and over again" hold no water. YOU brought this back up again when

I

never even MENTIONED IT in that post. Ever. Hell, the Titus/you part I mentioned was in the last couple of pages!

So how about YOU listen up and YOU read something for one damn time?

Why do people insist on denying what they say in this game? Your words are irrevocably there to be quoted.

Wow that's a scummy post

What? I can't suggest a kill, now, when you're talking about leashing?

(Nevermind that at best you're a distraction right now)

Again, you appeal to some prior game that isn't THIS game as if it has any bearing on this game.

Actually, regarding SK leashing, it kinda does.

I don't like how you're constantly belittling Titus for no real purpose.

{Emphasis Added}

-Ivy

I really don't know why people expect they can disparage someone's character, and their target is obligated to just say nothing. You don't seem to have a problem with all the bullshit Titus has thrown my way this game, but you did decide to have a go at me, so I tried to explain myself rationally. I don't have any personal animus towards you or Titus. This is a game and I believe we all play it as a hobby and as entertainment. I do my best to avoid pissing people off, but I have my limits and when they get pushed far enough, I push back.

I am quite sure Cerberus can attest to the fact that, apart from when I am on steroids for my wrecked shoulder, I am by nature calm and measured all the time. It takes a fairly good amount of push at me to get me to respond, but once that line is crossed, I treat people the way they treat me. ISO me and tell me with a straight face that I

started

the nastiness between Titus and I. You and I both know that's not the case.

I'd really rather not have a fight with you over something that's better left buried. Can we agree to just try and do better going forward and leave the past where it belongs? I'm a well meaning guy and I try to be friendly to everyone. I am not in search of any sort of fights or lasting enmity here. I don't see any good reason for it. I hope you'll agree.

[Drixx]

And set the drama aside, because the point I made is a cogent one and it seems to be being lost in the bickering, and the bickering serves no purpose whatsoever.

I pointed out that part of what Titus does in games (and is proud of, and refers to, including in this game) is make town blocks and use VCA and PoE and game spec to help town win. {Obviously, when she's townie}.

It's therefore valid for me to point out that Titus has appealed to here meta in this game, but is acting out of character when it comes to obvious town blocks sitting there to be utilized in her usual fashion. It's something that doesn't add up. It has absolutely nothing to do with our earlier fight, and it's dishonest to just invalidate anything I say about Titus by straw manning me and saying I'm just continuing to feud.

[Titus]

You're basically bitching that my townblocks don't include your reads... when I think you're scum...

[ActionDan]

Has my slot not been replaced yet. I sorta quietly didn't pick up my prod because I was in too many games all of a sudden and figured well this game's gonna be the one to get the ax. Wanted to get that off my chest. Anyway Peace

[Drixx]

You're basically bitching that my townblocks don't include your reads... when I think you're scum...

If you really thought I was scum, then why didn't you get the game to lynch me when I was actively asking to be lynched out to clarify my honesty? You can say I'm scum all day long, but when I gift wrapped you a chance to easily get me lynched, you shied away and lynched a townie instead.

Setting aside your read on me, because even if I were scum, I would need to at least try to appear to be properly evaluating people. I put my thought process and logic in the thread for the mason "pairs". If you don't want to town block them, then that must mean you disagree. So just pretend it's not me and we didn't fight and engage with my thought process and tell us what you think.

[Drixx]

Has my slot not been replaced yet. I sorta quietly didn't pick up my prod because I was in too many games all of a sudden and figured well this game's gonna be the one to get the ax. Wanted to get that off my chest. Anyway Peace

We're in the midst of lynching you as we speak. I speculated that you're the SK and we should leash you but a bunch of people disagree. They think you're just straight scum. Since you're here ... got anything to say?

[House]

Has my slot not been replaced yet. I sorta quietly didn't pick up my prod because I was in too many games all of a sudden and figured well this game's gonna be the one to get the ax. Wanted to get that off my chest. Anyway Peace

We're in the midst of lynching you as we speak. I speculated that you're the SK and we should leash you but a bunch of people disagree. They think you're just straight scum. Since you're here ... got anything to say?

I wouldn't care if he straight claimed SK.

Red is dead.

[ActionDan]

We're in the midst of lynching you as we speak. I speculated that you're the SK and we should leash you but a bunch of people disagree. They think you're just straight scum. Since you're here ... got anything to say?

If I was an SK in this game I would have continued to play because I love being SK and have had great success with it. I don't really want to post more because I feel like I'm in a moral grey zone