Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[singersigner]

Espeonage apparently didn't know Ffery was confirmed town, either. -_-

Why does it seem like there are two people playing this game and everyone else is either just coasting or hiding...

[mastin2]

Also, it's far too early to do VCA without a flip.

But we have the flips of the relevant wagons, in essence anyway. Bulba is town. I'm not letting go of that any time soon. TTH is town. I'll Mastin Gambit to save her if I have to. Some players like Tammy and yourself are town and thus the people on the wagon can be narrowed down.

I can extract information from even the tiniest fractions of the game. You saw me fake it in that one Mini Theme game--but that was me faking what I would have instantly been able to tell you. Were I town that game, I could've told you that you and shos were town. I wasn't, but if I was, I would have, and would have been right. So here, I've done the same thing.

The only question is: Are you emulating what I do naturally or as scum?

Pfft. Titus, I've been doing this sort of thing since before you were site-born. I've refined it to an art.

I really need you to be held accountable for the specifics, particularly the three-four posts I made before the first time you addressed me.

Okay.
To put it into words.
Every post you make feels like it's filtered and fake.
This is in dissonance to my memory of you as town when in a game and out-of-depth. When you were town in a game yet out of your depth, you came across as being genuine. I thought the town was moronic for lynching you. Your posting seemed so natural.
And yet, here it feels stilted. Everything you say feels calculated. It feels like you're trying to figure out how to blend in, particularly the earlier posts, and getting better at it as you go along, but still notably having a "dissonance" with what should be there from town.

I can't point to any specific sentence, or any specific post. It's the general flow of your posting. It feels forced, guided artificially.

Zar's posting felt fake in the same manner. When he engaged, it felt like a dead repeat of Unbalanced, even, in that he got a fair amount of heat justifiably for stances that were odd. Not feeling, well, not feeling like they come from a player that's trying to find scum, and rather, coming from a player trying to hide that they're scum.

The switch-in to Empire felt like damage control, and Empire to me felt like scum posting a solid scumgame, but still scum all the same: methodical, meticulous, well-planned-out, logical, and doing his best to fill in the inconsistencies so that people would brush over him, forget about him, and allow him some breathing room to work.

And then you come in, and it's like you were directed to continue his work, using the same basic principles.

The same gift that lets me see this, unfortunately, is also a curse in that I'm fully aware I'm speaking in vague talks without specifics. But I literally can't pin any down. That fills me with the emotion of "struggle". (Yes, emotion of struggle. It makes sense in my mind, okay? It's not quite frustration. It's frustration, confusion, anger, stress, sadness, and so much more. Basically, it's me, just standing somewhere mute, maybe bumbling, giving the appearance of being someone mentally handicapped, trying to convey a message yet having no words for it, gesturing blindly and fiercely in a futile attempt to compensate for the failure in language.)

[Tammy]

And yet peeps are scum reading me.

i don't get what this has to do with the conversation of the game at this point.

[Tammy]

Singer, you act like ut was paying attention all that time, based on his lack of activity he could have easily never looked at the thread during that time. I for one didn't see it in thread, but in the team mafia main thread a while after it had occured. And how exactly is it alignment indicative? I highly doubt he could trick 18 people into forgetting fferys status. While UT hasn't been the most helpful player, I feel like you're pushingnsomething that isn't there right how.

Except UT actually commented on her conf. town status, and it's been brought up already.

[mastin2]

Gut reaction to mastin's posts is town, but I'll reassess tomorrow.

No duh.

So mastin is town rite

Not just town, but a walking deadwoman of town. That much a beacon of town.

mastin has been a null to null-scum read to me prior to last night and Nacho hasn't mentioned her at all so far.

I get not townreading me before I came in to declare TTH town, but after that?
You had any fraction of a doubt?

ffery, I am disappoint.

TTH - scumeread

TTH is town.
Period.

Honestly if people let go of their TTH scumread, the game makes a whole lot more sense.
(I'd argue similarly about a DV townread, but I digress.)

And if it wasn't clear enough, btw, that puts my thoughts at, more or less:

GIF is my best current guess for fourthscum, off of general feels and POE. (Marquis and Aronis, however, both remain in my eye.)
Esp is a scumread.
DV is a scumread. (The two are probably interchangeable.)
And singer is my strongest scumread.

[fferyllt]

mastin I'm not townreading tth so you declaring her town doesn't do much for me.

Same with bulba.

And your scumreads are also a mixed bag of meh.

I'm reading you on the basis of other stuff, not your reads.

[Tammy]

Caught up!

Singer - When empire replaced out he said that Mina was the one reading cdb as strong scum, can you talk about why mina has him as strong scum?

I'll give my fuller thoughts in a bit. I'm going to get some wine, since the party I was supposed to go to was LAST night not tonight and I still want a drink.

Shadoweh - Don't criticize people who use exclamation points too much; my fragile ego just might suffer!!!

[singersigner]

Pages 36-37 seem to have a lot of GiF and CDB deferring to their team about reads, but then GiF said he's playing this game independently (implying little help from his team), and CDB is falling back on CES a lot and not forming his own stances. I'd like to see more of a catch-up from CDB than a few responses to recent posts before making my own judgement.

I'd still be willing to lynch Shadoweh or mastin, but I'm also willing to lynch CDB, Espeonage, TTH, or Aronis (in that order) for a general apathy and not really reading them as pro-town at this point.

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Mina's read is based thinking she can usually read him as town, and since she isn't really town-reading him, he falls short of her expectations by feeling fake with his read on us and a general lack of detailed reads (as I've outlined earlier with relying on CES to speak for him). The most recent pages make me feel that "cautious/safe" vibe, as well.

[singersigner]

Can we also talk about my post with regards to both UT and now Espeonage not knowing Ffery was confirmed town? Only two people commented on it and one of them is voting me so you'll excuse me if I don't really take his opinion seriously.

[fferyllt]

Espe looks a lot worse for it than UT did IMO, and I like most of his content since then.

Caveat that I don't have much experience playing with UT. Nacho does have experience, however and he reached the same read at the same time pretty much independently because I was tablet-bound and saving up my posts for when I had my laptop.

[fferyllt]

Espe what are T-Bone's thoughts about this game?

[mastin2]

mastin I'm not townreading tth so you declaring her town doesn't do much for me. Same with bulba.

But they dang-well better SHOULD.

And your scumreads are also a mixed bag of meh.

Again I repeat.
I can't respect this statement from someone scumreading TTH.
Not even you.
(Mastin. Gambit.)

I'm reading you on the basis of other stuff, not your reads.

Statement still stands. IMMEDIATELY after I came in it should've been obvious. No need for reads. My play the second I started playing the game should've made it obvious.

[fferyllt]

You're not going to strong-arm me into a townread. Sorry.

[fferyllt]

Mastin, you know for a fact that you and I take a while to develop reads on each other usually. It goes both ways in most games.

[singersigner]

I changed my mind. I don't want to lynch mastin.

Page 46.

[Tammy]

so fferylt

how's being an IC treating you?

UT did know. He forgot.

Where did espy not know?

[hitogoroshi]

VC 50 (Major Day 1, VC 13)

(3)

Espeonage:

mastin2, ChannelDelibird, Cheetory6 [L-7]
(3)

ChannelDelibird:

Bulbazak, Titus, Shadoweh [L-7]
(2)

TellTaleHeart:

Tammy, Marquis
(2)

Marquis:

TellTaleHeart, Espeonage
(1)

Bulbazak:

Gammagooey
(1)

Aronis:

vezokpiraka
(1)

singersigner:

Aronis

(6)

Not Voting:

Actiondan, DeasVail, GuyinFreezer, T S O, Untrod Tripod, singersigner

With 19 votes in play, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is Saturday, April 25th, at 9PM CST.

Major Day One Deadline

(expired on 2015-04-25 20:00:00)

Tammy is V/LA until April 20th. CDB is V/LA until April 17th. T S O is V/LA until April 17th.

[DeasVail]

Ffery, what do you and your team think of the way Shadoweh has approached the Westeros slot throughout the game and how this has changed over time?

Also, talk to me about Espe. I still think his play looks kind of ridiculous coming from scum in a way that doesn't feel staged or planned out, so what are the reasons behind your scumread I guess?

Probably refining my pool for the first lynch to:

[ActionDan, Aronis, Bulbazak, GiF]

[singersigner]

Oh btw fery is conftown.

Ok, wasn't aware.

[DeasVail]

VOTE: Bulbazak

[Tammy]

Mastin - If you're going to push for a TTH town read so hard that everyone who suspects her is dumb, I'll need something better than you can't respect anyone who would scum read her. I see really no in thread reason to call her town at all.

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One thing I'm disliking is people basically saying the only reason why people are voting her is because of the trace. What you're not realizing is there's a reason we traced her. She was suspicious and one of my scum reads, and apparently Vezok's too. The trace of DV only made that suspicion stronger. And I have looked at it from what kind of possible role she could have, and it doesn't really jive with her posting from yesterday or today. And if the oh I'll be confirmed when DV doesn't die tomorrow is what she thinks confirms her, i say uh uh nope nada nope nope.


I hated her entrance. She enters on page 29, says she hasn't read past page 10 and berates the town for not having a bane wagon on UT while not being caught up. Her aggression feels fake and feels for the sake of it rather than analyzing the game. After getting after him for calling her "dumb" she accuses him of having stale town reads, though she hasn't read the game at that point so there's really no indication that his reads should have changed. After she decides that we're thinking about baning incorrectly and unbanes UT herself, she actually never engages UT again. If he was her number one scum read as her entrance posts indicate, why does she completely drop it. She then agrees that the bane should be someone to investigate and wants to go with gamma or vezok, says she'll think about it and never comes back. When she does come back, she boons marquis.

This is why I traced her in the first place. She seemed like she tried to make a splash for the sake of making one, but it's not something I believe she actually thought. I admit part of this could be my own bias here, I've heard how thorough she is and I'm not seeing any of it, so this feels like posting for the sake of it.

So.

Vezok's town.
Tammy's town.
TTH is probtown.
Shadow I'm not touching.
Bulbazak's getting a pass.
Aronis may be town.
Cheetory is town enough.
Gamma looks fine.
CDB is good enough for now.
Marquis is kinda...ehhhh.
DV is just...ehhhhhhhhhh.
Empire's scum.
Espeonage is scum.


Leaves ActionDan, GIF, Titus, TSO, and UT to sort.

My reads are very close to this. (I'm buddying mastin. **Jazz hands**!)
My "would vote" list would follow: Shadoweh, Espeonage, and UT. Anti thinks Marquis should be on there. I'll

tie down and coerce

ask very sweetly for Anti to look at Empire because I'm struggling with that one, but I can see the stuff coming from Regfan as genuine.

I have a bit of a problem with this post. She's agreeing with Mastin's reads and here she said she would vote UT, but she's yet to engage him at all again after going after him in her first replace in posts. I have no idea why she's agreeing with these reads because she's been completely absent.

Her trace doesn't jive with her reads either and there's no real indication that she's been discussing this game with her team or that she read the game over night, or I would expect some type of analysis after she had minor night to catch up. I see none. I see chest pumping and that's about it.

I have tossed around the possibilities of her being a pr and that's why she detected DV, but if she were protective, I'd have expected a vezok (considering he got the boon) or marquis (considering that she booned him). If she were an investigative, why not detect Vezok or Gamma whom she suggested should be baned in her last discussion concerning baning?

Also what from regfan is genuine?

So yeah, might not be slam dunk, but she's suspicious as hell.

[Espeonage]

Espe what are T-Bone's thoughts about this game?

He hasn't posted about it past the little thing about marq.

[Tammy]

Oh btw fery is conftown.

Ok, wasn't aware.

Oh I forgot about that conversation.

[Espeonage]

Tammy what part of voicing a townread is ever bad for town?

[singersigner]

Titus what do you think of TTH now that she's "back" from your pressure? You postulated that she could be either a threat or a benefit to town...have you been able to parse through her now that 80% of her posts have been made in the last two days?

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