↑Titus wrote:You're basically bitching that my townblocks don't include your reads... when I think you're scum...
If you really thought I was scum, then why didn't you get the game to lynch me when I was actively asking to be lynched out to clarify my honesty? You can say I'm scum all day long, but when I gift wrapped you a chance to easily get me lynched, you shied away and lynched a townie instead.
Setting aside your read on me, because even if I were scum, I would need to at least try to appear to be properly evaluating people. I put my thought process and logic in the thread for the mason "pairs". If you don't want to town block them, then that must mean you disagree. So just pretend it's not me and we didn't fight and engage with my thought process and tell us what you think.
I have tried to get you lynched. If people wanted it, they could. They didn't want the game to devolve between our drama.
No, you can just outright claim scum and discredit me.
My hat buddies are my town block, or is that unclear?
Titus, would you please point out the holes in my logic about why TPTG+TF and Chiv+Cerb should be viewed as probtown? You aren't asking them into your "hat buddies" town block, so obviously you don't agree with me.
↑Drixx wrote:We're in the midst of lynching you as we speak. I speculated that you're the SK and we should leash you but a bunch of people disagree. They think you're just straight scum. Since you're here ... got anything to say?
If I was an SK in this game I would have continued to play because I love being SK and have had great success with it. I don't really want to post more because I feel like I'm in a moral grey zone
If you're going to take off, could you first sate my curiosity on why you completely dropped your suspicion of Drixx out of nowhere?
Well I guess I can like defend myself while I'm here if there's a specific complaint besides inactivity?
Yeah I mean, it's kinda unfair in a way so ... I dunno. I'm just like here and kinda feel like posting.
pedit @house. Wasn't out of nowhere? Like the whole thing rested on back and forth dialogue with the mods and language in my role pm. Basically I started suspecting him when the mods led me to believe that there would be 2 mafia factions from separate 13p mini's that I'd be immune to, so when he stated he was immune to one faction only, that was suspect to me. Cue the back and forth of me trying to establish more precisely what he was immune to, since I figured it might make sense if he was immune to all SK factions. When it became apparent he was immune to a named faction I believe I went apeshit. Then further conversations with the mods revealed that in fact, there didn't have to be another mafia faction from a separate mini that I had to be immune to. (Meaning that there could be werewolfs in one mini that were the bad guys that I wouldn't be immune to). So that validated drixx's claim somewhat. Now of course there's two mafia factions revealed so... I stopped trying to make sense of it. I always thought drixx's posting was town-sounding if not for the claims so Idgaf anymore.
↑Cerberus v666 wrote:Ivy: I was talking about ActionDan not going after drixx for 23 posts during the timeframe one of your heads asked house about, with the whole RL days question. Not sure who you think I"m talking about.
Actually, no retract 5037. I am, too.
↑Drixx wrote:I really don't know why people expect they can disparage someone's character, and their target is obligated to just say nothing. You don't seem to have a problem with all the bullshit Titus has thrown my way this game, but you did decide to have a go at me, so I tried to explain myself rationally. I don't have any personal animus towards you or Titus. This is a game and I believe we all play it as a hobby and as entertainment. I do my best to avoid pissing people off, but I have my limits and when they get pushed far enough, I push back.
...I'm sorry, what?
Are you saying you had any purpose in trying to push that Titus is useless and incompetent? Because if you aren't scum I'm not seeing the purpose behind trying to make ANYTHING Titus does out to be nothing but failure.
Is Titus always being the best? No. I also think his suspicion of the masons is overblown. Are comments like THAT actually helping anything in the game or your case on him? No.
Also, if you want to claim Titus has been through shit at you, I want you to point out any time within the last 10 pages that Titus has said something bad about you that was not prompted either by a response from you or from a request from someone else.
↑Drixx wrote:It's therefore valid for me to point out that Titus has appealed to here meta in this game, but is acting out of character when it comes to obvious town blocks sitting there to be utilized in her usual fashion. It's something that doesn't add up. It has absolutely nothing to do with our earlier fight, and it's dishonest to just invalidate anything I say about Titus by straw manning me and saying I'm just continuing to feud.
Funny, how you're attempting invalidate nearly everything Titus says or does, too.
And I already talked about that. Again, read plz?
↑Drixx wrote:If you really thought I was scum, then why didn't you get the game to lynch me when I was actively asking to be lynched out to clarify my honesty? You can say I'm scum all day long, but when I gift wrapped you a chance to easily get me lynched, you shied away and lynched a townie instead.
I find it hilarious that people are forgetting that Titus can't vote today, and only has her voice to get people to vote others. Although, it seems to be more that people aren't wanting to lynch you for reasons not related to Titus.
Ivy ... can we agree to just agree that there's no intentional offense here and try and do better going forward? I'm sorry that I've offended you because, as I said, I'm not in the business of trying to make enemies. I hope we move on and have fun.
Last vote on Drixx: March 12
Switched to BB Molla: March 16
Switched to PV: March 16
23 posts between March 16 & March 28
Voted Boonskies: March 28
Last post: April 1st.
More than enough activity after moving off BBMolla to condemn him.
This is pretty convincing.
VOTE: ActionDan
@Elusive: It is revelant to know that the only reason Vyse didn't push his scum read on me more is because I literally wasn't around because of my role. (I am a 3-shot (1 left) psuedocider, I can remove myself from the game 3 times until the start of the next day. I think BC forgot my claim in their wall of claims for you as well. While I am removed I show up as dead.)
Drixx your crazy mood swings this game are going to kill me (not litterally), but I am glad we are on a happier one at the moment.
↑ActionDan wrote:Has my slot not been replaced yet. I sorta quietly didn't pick up my prod because I was in too many games all of a sudden and figured well this game's gonna be the one to get the ax. Wanted to get that off my chest. Anyway Peace
Well I guess I can like defend myself while I'm here if there's a specific complaint besides inactivity?
Yeah I mean, it's kinda unfair in a way so ... I dunno. I'm just like here and kinda feel like posting.
pedit @house. Wasn't out of nowhere? Like the whole thing rested on back and forth dialogue with the mods and language in my role pm. Basically I started suspecting him when the mods led me to believe that there would be 2 mafia factions from separate 13p mini's that I'd be immune to, so when he stated he was immune to one faction only, that was suspect to me. Cue the back and forth of me trying to establish more precisely what he was immune to, since I figured it might make sense if he was immune to all SK factions. When it became apparent he was immune to a named faction I believe I went apeshit. Then further conversations with the mods revealed that in fact, there didn't have to be another mafia faction from a separate mini that I had to be immune to. (Meaning that there could be werewolfs in one mini that were the bad guys that I wouldn't be immune to). So that validated drixx's claim somewhat. Now of course there's two mafia factions revealed so... I stopped trying to make sense of it. I always thought drixx's posting was town-sounding if not for the claims so Idgaf anymore.
But then there is this. Which is making house reconsider. Which is why I asked him to go read that exchange in the first place.
Not completely sure how I feel about Dan showing up out of the blue now, when a wagon is forming on him, but the fact that he cares enough to try and defend the slot should count for something I guess.
So you would rather I just go back and delete my initial vote? I don't understand, your issue here. To me it makes more sense to show both things happen rather than do neither of them. It gives a better insight into my thought process than ignoring that I ever wanted to vote him in the first place.
↑BRantz wrote:So you would rather I just go back and delete my initial vote? I don't understand, your issue here. To me it makes more sense to show both things happen rather than do neither of them. It gives a better insight into my thought process than ignoring that I ever wanted to vote him in the first place.
It just reads so tryhard.
Like, "Oh, now that this wagon is losing steam, I can buy towncred by jumping on and then doing a 180 as a stream of conscious right back off of the wagon in the very same post", which effectively translates into nothing but an overly verbose post that ultimately contributes dick.
ActionDan, what is your role or alignment? Are you replacing out or are you staying? "Inactivity" is a specific complaint enough to warrant execution or extraction.
None of that theatrics made sense to me other then "moral grey zone" which implies being scummy or third party.
↑elusive wrote:ActionDan, what is your role or alignment? Are you replacing out or are you staying? "Inactivity" is a specific complaint enough to warrant execution or extraction.
None of that theatrics made sense to me other then "moral grey zone" which implies being scummy or third party.
These posts seems good or he mostly has been right about town reads except for Lihin and he soft defend pirate ika for a while before agreeing that Lcian shoot them:
↑VysePresident wrote:Posting that I'll be posting tonight to pressure myself into posting tonight instead of falling asleep again.
Short thoughts to keep this from being completely useless are that
I don't like the Drixx wagon,
glad to see that dying. I like Orange for Town a lot more now, Molla for Town still, ChiVi leans slightly Town for the reason Kuribo stopped Townreading them. (Don't think they'd want to admit that as scum.) Om is meh-Town. BRantz is scummy, need to look back at Copper to see if he's still scummy. Actual thoughts & reasoning coming tonight.
-Not a neighbor.
-As a side note, I think Drixx is pretty darn cool.
Actual thoughts & stuff coming tonight.
I am anxiously awaiting this post from you Vyse. Hopefully it will let me know whether you are scum calling me scum or town calling me scum and either way we should be able to move forward.
UNVOTE:
Trouser is probably town (at least I am inclined to put Kuribo's meltdown in that category).
Molla is probably town.
Vonflare is something...
Om might be town.
Don't know what to think of pika yet.
Oranje is probably town.
Boon is leaning town.
Fairly null on ActionDan.
Lucian seems to be trying hard to sit on the sidelines, might be scum (for an example of this see 568).
I was probably wrong about ice, he is probably town.
My read on Copper keeps waffling, but I tend to lean town on him because we have similar thought processes about things (may be bias).
Drixx's most recent posts are the drixx I expected when a case showed up, not the yell at everyone about how bad the case is and how they should feel bad, so null for now but looking more townish.
Death is probably town.
Everyone else is still null
@pika (mollie specifically): Are you posting almost all of the hydra posts so far?
@Dan: Why do you keep avoiding engaging in conversation with me? It is all well and good for you to sit there and throw accusations at me, but at some point you are going to have to talk to me about them.
Von has done litterally nothing to forward the game, most of his posts consist of things like (90,447 and 825) I also really didn't like 728s flippant reaction to a wagon on him. If his posting isn't scummy it is at the very least anti-town.
Soren/replacement [Magua, town, died]:
618 pinged me as off, even if he has been playing mafia for less than a year (which he said) there is literal zero chance he hasn't heard the term hammer before. Then pretty much every post fro 844 to 1007 is just completely awful. I see no town motivation for the way he was playing. Magua has been interesting but makes me feel a little better about this slot.
Lucian:
Yes, you claimed, and it is even a confirmable one. I don't think that 100% makes you town (unless scum 1-shot vig is something bastard, then I will withdraw my whole case here). But you have tried so hard to fence sit this game that I am not completely convinced you are town (things like 32, 114, 115, 171 (you never voted chivri), 380, etc.) have me feeling uneasy on you.
↑BRantz wrote:Firefox is trying to ruin my life, it crashed as I finished my post.
Short and sweet version:
The wagon on me is full of opportunistic voters (
Narn, ChriVi, Jackel, and Von
are the most egregious), and had I been around this weekend I would have claimed a day or so ago.
CLAIM: I am a town 3-shot Psuedocider. I can remove myself from the game at any point
during a day phase,
and be effectively dead until the start of the next day. This lynch will not happen today unless anyone can give me better reason than Vyse that I should die.
Vyse has pushed an awful case against me and an awful case against Copper, and that is the entirety of what he has done today, all he does is yell at people to talk about me and copper, he is trying to force the town to tunnel. VOTE: VysePresident
@Lucian: Are you claiming that it is a scum tell that you had to ask me about my scum read reasons in 1926? If so that is completely awful. Also why point out the obvious about some arguments being potential noise, and the fact that there have been a lot of arguments this game without giving your opinion one which have been real and which have been noise?
The argument between
Cerberus, Copper, and Trouser on page 76 feels like 3 town players
shoot pika today. If he flips scum I think oranje, Vyse or vonflare. If he flips town lynch ozgin.
Will give it till tonight so people can ask me anything I may have missed or talk to me about whatever, then will leave again.
Brantz, where are you on Oranje and vonflare? Do you think Lucian could be scum or third party? I also agree that scum usually have more space wasting posts such as Vyse with all the "posting to post that I will post."
If copper's thought processes were aligned to yours then where do you stand on his reads on the two scum teams and particularly Bulbasuar?
Also, it seems like you are stating that you are able to switch up your town or scum meta pretty easily? I'm thinking about your role it's kind of like a commuter role but happens in the day phase so maybe more like 3 shot lynch proof with flavor? Why (if any times) did you have to use your role so far? And would it be publicly declared?
Titus, do you remember the game where Fonti was a one shot day vig and also scum? Is that possible on this site or in this game?
Lucian, can you tell me what your scum reads are?
I only know vonflare from one game where he replaced into a scum slot, and was pretty much read as scum but did his best to stick through it. That contradicts with my feeling that scum are more likely to replace then town unless OOG reasons. I feel like vonflare wouldn't back out of a scum role.
Drixx, do you think most people got my crumb and therefore I should just full claim? Or does anyone else think they got my claim? I have been on occasion good at tricking scum from actually knowing my role but sometimes it backfires.
