Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[copper223]

@Mollie
Idc, I never lose as scum so I guess winning only 3 out of 4 as town is statistically worse, but how much is my fault is hard to say

Redacted. Do not talk about ongoing games.

Now back to this game, you just missed 2 key posts from me where I explain why I now have Cabd as leaning town and why. You are pinging me because you are voting opportunistically, first on shos and now on Cabd, you are overjustifying your moves, like now with the Cabd unvote, you did not raise the same point about Magua having seen a similar role in a recent game that I made (although that's not such a big deal cause you were already out of the game a that point so it's conceivable you didn't see it) and because I don't see any real conviction behind your posts and reads, this is very different from your attitude in LuckyStar, your FakeGod read in particular.

[pirate mollie]

if you are talking about ongoing games you need to stfu.

my misread on fg was pretty funny in that game and I had fun doing it even if it pissed him off eventho he is 1 of my onsite faves ever. i probs won't try that particular style again tho.

I am seeing a bit of breakdown from cabd (which makes me lean town), that is why I unvoted! but I wanna see what else he comes up with wrt the game.

how do you feel about reck?

[copper223]

@Mollie
I don't know how to read Reck, I don't like his style and think from what I have seen that it favours scum regardless of his alignment, that said the dumb disbelief at Cabd's claim and the reaction is something I have seen other townies do before and I don't see the kind of consensus around him that would come from a team backup, he is a fence townread of mine.

We are at a crossroads here, either scum is hanging out in the lurkerfest slots or scum is firmly entrenched into most people's town's circles, someone like {Ceph., Mollie, Ice, partially NS} to be clear and from my perspective, so the less scummy the lurkers start to look the more I am going to focus the town block that has been created today.

I am really interested in LLD vs NS currently.

[copper223]

The shos push is also important by the way, I don't see at least 1 scum not getting on that push if he is town and I don't see most townies that have a clue of how to read him not getting onto it if he is scum, try to remember this when doing future analysis.

[pirate mollie]

@Mollie
I don't know how to read Reck, I don't like his style and think from what I have seen that it favours scum regardless of his alignment, that said the dumb disbelief at Cabd's claim and the reaction is something I have seen other townies do before and I don't see the kind of consensus around him that would come from a team backup, he is a fence townread of mine.

We are at a crossroads here, either scum is hanging out in the lurkerfest slots or scum is firmly entrenched into most people's town's circles, someone like {Ceph., Mollie, Ice, partially NS} to be clear and from my perspective, so the less scummy the lurkers start to look the more I am going to focus the town block that has been created today.

I am really interested in LLD vs NS currently.

what about reck's playstyle do you have a problem with exactly? I am not so sure that it favours 1 alignment over the other.

also I am not sure why you are pursuing the dichotomy of "either scum is hanging out in the lurkerfest slots or scum is firmly entrenched into most people's town's circles" since it has been within my experience that scum are likely to be in both and also what town bloc did you have in mind?

[pirate mollie]

The shos push is also important by the way, I don't see at least 1 scum not getting on that push if he is town and I don't see most townies that have a clue of how to read him not getting onto it if he is scum, try to remember this when doing future analysis.

this is a terribad post

[copper223]

About Reck, mainly he lurks a lot, looks disinterested and doesn't explain his thought processes often enough for me to understand where he is coming from, he also escalates really quickly when getting scumread with AtE's from what I've seen, I on the other hand am mostly a logical oriented player so that doesn't mix well.

Because I am seeing a lot of players coming out with townreads on {Ceph., Mollie, Copper, Ice} and to a lesser degree {NS, Rhinox}, I see players under pressure, mainly {Cabd, Shos, Katsuki, partially Reck and TS} and lurkers {Katsuki, partially Cabd TS and Reck, LLD, T-Bone} and we know that scum have daytalk so most likely to me either scum is active and partially responsible for those townreads coming out which is pushing the rest of the playerlist to townread them as well, or the scum PT is a graveyard and scum are in the lurkerslots.

[copper223]

The shos push is also important by the way, I don't see at least 1 scum not getting on that push if he is town and I don't see most townies that have a clue of how to read him not getting onto it if he is scum, try to remember this when doing future analysis.

this is a terribad post

Why do you think so? I think you are terribad for saying so unless you have good reason I am missing.

[copper223]

A 2-1 split is also totally possible as well if that's the nature of the objection (2 in the townred and 1 lurking) but the priority for me is to see if those 4 or 6 names are the core of a winning team for town going forwards and we can just get rid of the rest in order of scumminess until we win or if it's a faulty premise and that block was artificially generated by scum.

[shos]

Copper, explain LLD vs NS?
My townread on LLD relies on one strong townpost(against me), and my scumread on NS relies on loads, how is this even a fight?

Nollie: see shameless mafia. Post 1244(5?) shoupd cover it

[copper223]

NS said he finds you and LLD possible teammates and LLD didn't like that post and questioned him about it, something that hasn't been resolved yet, LLD said there are further points she wants to make regarding NS which I am waiting for; they are both players at the borders for my circles, NS of the townreads and LLD at the border of the lurkers so them going at it could be revealing of where we are at.

I also don't trust your read of NS one bit as you are confbiasing like crazy if you are town, I doubt what he said about Cabd, read him instead of his role, is in any way indicative of them being scummates and when that theory you proposed was disproved by him actually voting Cabd, instead of questioning your initial read you just double down and call him scum anyway, how is that sound analysis?

[shos]

Dude that is not confbias

He literally said guys lets not vote and let the guy explain and immediately votes when the wagon appears. Either super duper uber recordbreaking forgetful townie, or scum, who at first tried to protect his buddycaughtforwrongreason, and then decides that bussing is better.

[shos]

Also, of all the shit in the game, LLD v NS is what takes your mind? Gonna lol at that and use it after we haz flips

[Cephrir]

"RECK'S WHOLE CASE RESTS ON THIS THING THAT JUST HAPPENED AND NOT MY SHITTY PLAY BEFOREHAND"

LITERALLY DIE

This is an obvious misrep, he didn't say that at all.

I think Cabd's role fits with what I am seeing about this game wrt to setup spec., once again we have a 10-3 setup in a themed game, this heavily implies we are going to have a lot of vanilla-like or. negative utility roles town side and I disagree with the interpretation that this role is naturally scum indicative, that's pretty big BS.

Huh? No it doesn't.

Furthermore Magua was just playing a game with Mollie, T-Bone and myself where Dramonic (likely as there were 2 mods) created a double foreman role that could halven the prod time of a lurker and make him hated for that day, which is another, less direct, way to manipulate the votes on that player, so I can totally see him coming up with this role and it was a town role.

How does that make it town here? It's not alignment indicative. Don't read people on roles unless you have an amazingly good reason to. Ever.

I am now leaning town on Cabd, those readlists I have only seen from Cabd town, although admittedly while his townreads are well developped I don't like the number of nulls but that is inline with him not having so much time to play the game because of RL.

This stuff is just so simplistic and it's not what I'm used to seeing from you at all. I don't know how to explain the decline in your play quality this game to myself. "Cabd is town because he can't fake a readlist"? Oh come on.

Ceph, NS and Cabd, please full claim.

Uh... no? Moreover, make me?

what I am trying to get to the bottom of is why cabd targeted tboner when I have barely seen cabd's suspicion on him and I am not buying that it is because it was the only 1 that he noticed cos it was bolded when tier and rhino were also prodded but not in bolded. cabd's only saving grace is that he indicated that he wasn't going to use his role in the first place (explains the lack of attention) plus he loves playing scum so I wld THINK he wld be smarter than try to bus a scummate in tboner.

I am trying to sort things out.

This is a really nonsensical thing to get hung up on. Cabd decided to prove his role at this moment because he decided to prove his role at this moment. It has nothing to do with whether or not he suspects T-Bone. I don't know how you get to lolscumbuddies but please don't say things that make me worry about my only halfway decent townread.

The shos push is also important by the way, I don't see at least 1 scum not getting on that push if he is town and I don't see most townies that have a clue of how to read him not getting onto it if he is scum, try to remember this when doing future analysis.

What utter garbage.

A 2-1 split is also totally possible as well if that's the nature of the objection (2 in the townred and 1 lurking) but the priority for me is to see if those 4 or 6 names are the core of a winning team for town going forwards and we can just get rid of the rest in order of scumminess until we win or if it's a faulty premise and that block was artificially generated by scum.

So basically

The scum were somewhere.

Okay, thanks, that is really helpful and insightful!

[Cephrir]

What dies "what I'm seeing with regard to setup spec" even mean in 868?

[shos]

*does not know who to scumread more, NS or cabd or copper*

You better give a good reason for why you asked three people to claim, copper.
I agree with ceph about getting hung on that, mollie. it's just the timing.

[Iecerint]

I think Cabd's role fits with what I am seeing about this game wrt to setup spec., once again we have a 10-3 setup in a themed game, this heavily implies we are going to have a lot of vanilla-like or. negative utility roles town side and I disagree with the interpretation that this role is naturally scum indicative, that's pretty big BS.

I think he's arguing that the

flavor

is scum indicative, not that the ability itself is.

For example, the flavor of my ability relates to mod errors, but the flavor of Cabd's ability relates to the mod actively fucking with the game.

This would be a bad reason to vote someone if there really were no other reason, but I don't know if that applies right now.

[Iecerint]

I think Ceph, NS, mollie, and I are pretty town.

I have at times thought Rhinox and shos were pretty town. Mala will get mad at me if I push LLD, but my read on her as cooled a little. Mala piped in and said that shos's reads were bad a bit ago, but I think she just meant normal-bad. Katsuki is off the table til D2.

That leaves Cabd, copper, T-Bone, TierShift, Reck as people that I think might be OK to lynch. Cabd is low-risk, low-reward as he has already claimed. I think TierShift might be the most likely scum at this point tbh, mostly because he's kinda really changed his activity level as deadline approaches and he's not a leading wagon. Copper is only down here because his push on me felt poorly-motivated and opportunistic to me (opportunistic because some people had vaguely expressed suspicion on me without voting in the few pages previous to it), but this will be easier to evaluate as we determine whether any of the people who had pressure at that point were scum.

[xRECKONERx]

This is an obvious misrep, he didn't say that at all.

mmmm yessss

feeeed the ceph/cabd dream dunk scumteam fantasies in my mind

oh god i am cumming

[Cephrir]

It's not my fault you decided to represent him as saying basically the opposite of what he was saying.

[copper223]

Ok up for a policy lynch on Cephrir any day.

[copper223]

Ignoring for the rest or the game and hammering if possible.

[Cephrir]

Iec, we're pretty much on the same page for possible lynches. Cabd/T-Bone for not doing much, Reck and Tier for not doing anything town, copper for not matching my opinion of his abilities.

pedit: Um?

[copper223]

Dude that is not confbias

He literally said guys lets not vote and let the guy explain and immediately votes when the wagon appears. Either super duper uber recordbreaking forgetful townie, or scum, who at first tried to protect his buddycaughtforwrongreason, and then decides that bussing is better.

Dude he

literally

did not say that, get a grip.

[copper223]

If Cephrir is town he doesn't have a basis to judge how effective anyone's play is without flips, so let's treat that as a scumclaim that he knows I am way off and lynch him, worst case we get rid of useless town, because the comments he is making are good enough for me not to want him around when my win or loss is decided, with a negative utility role.

Also not full claiming there is also basically a scumclaim.

VOTE: Cephrir