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[elusive]

Ok and this is Bulbasaur's compilation of claims:

Spoiler:

@BC, but why? Weren't there a few other PRs that had claimed at that point that would be more pressing to block than a mislynch target?

BB's got a passive-ish role; can't really block him from activating as an RB.

Marquis could've been an RB target, but he died (anyways?), and his ability was for the day, not night. PIka's was just night, so there'd be no way to.

Kuribo/TF are masons, can't block that.

Lucian's a dayvig, so can't really block that.

Chrivi and Cerb are neighbors/masons (or being treated as the latter for now), so we can't block that. And cerb only claimed the active part of his role today, so unless Cerb and PIka were on the same team PIka couldn't have known to block Cerb anyways (and in that case, why would they?)

Jackel claimed tracker, but he died via lynch D1. Can't block the dead.

Drixx is a BP (if you believe him, anyways). Can't block that.

Can't block your DV.

Could've blocked Copper's role, but that'd be a waste this early in as Copper's role gets more powerful as the days go on and more actions are used (I don't think he should've claimed D1, in hindsight, honestly; might not have bit the bullet N2 otherwise).

Narn didn't claim redirector until D2, and his ability has gone off without a hitch, so he couldn't have been the target.

I believe Ozgin got his ability off, and he didn't claim D1 anyways so it's not like they could've possibly known to RB him. Unless Ozgin gave hints he'd investigate PIka. Not sure if he did or not.

Dan's also a BP. Can't block that.

We're a reflexive JK, and you can't block that, I don't think. Besides, we only claimed today, so they couldn't have known.

Boon only just claimed today, although his ability would've been blockable.

PV, von, and Om haven't claimed.

Death is in the same boat as Boon: Ability that's blockable, but didn't claim until today.

Soren/Magua could've been blocked D1, but Mag didn't claim until D2.

Soyeah, there weren't THAT many claimed roles D1 that could've been blocked. Although, I'd think that action resolution would have RB go before a commute, but what do I know?

Oranje
ActionDan
Drixx

Nah
If we have to
I'm on him, ain't I?

@Whoever- to get clarification on the whole thing. Turns out it was interpretation instead.

You mean your vote on us was...interpretation?

Really?

@All - Are we looking at Boxxed scum that cannot find a mislynch to push?

Drixx would be an easy-as-hell to push mislynch, as would any lurker, honestly. So I'm not sure what's keeping them from pushing these.

I'll consider your words with more than a grain of salt tomorrow.

And if Dan gets replaced instead of coming back?

-Ivy

I'm cleaning it up a bit for ease of understanding since some of the shortcuts etc are hard to follow:

All Players + Claims & Flips

1. Narninian - Re-director

2. Pirate Ika (mollie & ika) - Berlin Undercity Mafia Modified Roleblocker - Shot through the heart day two.

3. Toon Fighter - Mason with Three-Pronged Trouser God
4. Oranje Crush (BROseidon & wgeurts) - No claim?
5.

(Ozgin)

House - Cop (Macho or Some other Variety?)
6.

ActionDan

- BP (?)
7. Three-Pronged Trouser God (Untrod Tripod & kuribo & T-Bone) - Mason with Toon Fighter
8. Bulbasaur Commonwealth (Bulbazak & mastin2 & Voidedmafia) - Reflexive JK (meaning what exactly?)
9. ChriVi (Chrimi & Viomi) - Neighbor\mason with Cerberus

10. Jackel98 - Town Public Tracker - Lynched day one.

11. Boonskiies - Town Seer (?)
12. Drixx - BP (?)
13. PeregrineV - No claim?
14.

vonflare

- No claim?
15. (Cerberus) v666 - Neighbor\mason with ChriVi
16. BRantz - Day Commuter (?)

17. (Never-melt-ice) Marquis - Town New Kid on the Block - Eviscerated and incinerated night one.

18. LucianRoy - Day vigilante

19. (Soren) Magua - Town Forgetful Watcher - Nuked from orbit day two.

20. VysePresident - Tropical Volcano Lair Mafia ??? - Incinerated night two.

21. deathfisaro - Town Skeptical Paranormal Investigator (?)
22.

(Om of the Nom)

elusive - Town
23.

(Reubus Swagrid)

Titus - No claim?

24.

(Dani)

Lihin - Town Double Day Foreman - Lynched day two.

25. BBmolla - Passive-ish role (?)

26. copper223 - Town Facebooker - Eviscerated night two.

If this is mass claim, let's fill in the blanks to get a complete picture. I doubt that we can have two BPs who are of the same alignment so one must be scum and the other could be town or maybe 3p?

Also, when "mason" or "neighbors" don't die early on, I think they need to be confirmed otherwise its odd and doesn't make sense. I also don't know why masons\neighbors wouldn't be leading the game early on and expecting death so for all of the neighbors or masons please give a reads list with your town, lean town, scum and lean scum or 3p reads. Nulls are something I'm coming to hate so if you still have a null at this point then you probably need to interrogate them to high heaven.

[Boonskiies]

I'm town skeptical cop, not seer. Deaths claim is basically the seer.

[Narninian]

elusive if you crumbed your role to the point somebody could figure it out, you should just claim -- scum have more info than the average person to figure it out, and can also use that info.

[deathfisaro]

1. Narninian -

Kill

Re-director

2. Pirate Ika (mollie & ika) - Berlin Undercity Mafia Modified Roleblocker - Shot through the heart day two.

3. Toon Fighter - Mason with Three-Pronged Trouser God
4. Oranje Crush (BROseidon & wgeurts) -

No claim?

Amnesiac commuter

5.

(Ozgin)

House -

Cop (Macho or Some other Variety?)

Faction investigator of some sort

6.

ActionDan

- BP (?)

to both mafia factions

7. Three-Pronged Trouser God (Untrod Tripod & kuribo & T-Bone) - Mason with Toon Fighter
8. Bulbasaur Commonwealth (Bulbazak & mastin2 & Voidedmafia) - Reflexive JK (meaning what exactly?)

If someone targets them with a night action, they get jailkept instead

9. ChriVi (Chrimi & Viomi) - Neighbor\mason with Cerberus

10. Jackel98 - Town Public Tracker - Lynched day one.

11. Boonskiies - Town

Seer (?)

skeptic cop

12. Drixx - BP (?)

to werewolf

13. PeregrineV - No claim?
14.

vonflare

- No claim?
15. (Cerberus) v666 - Neighbor

\mason

with ChriVi
16. BRantz - Day Commuter (?)

17. (Never-melt-ice) Marquis - Town New Kid on the Block - Eviscerated and incinerated night one.

18. LucianRoy -

Day vigilante

vengilante (vengeful + vigilante)

19. (Soren) Magua - Town Forgetful Watcher - Nuked from orbit day two.

20. VysePresident - Tropical Volcano Lair Mafia ??? - Incinerated night two.

21. deathfisaro - Town Skeptical Paranormal Investigator (?)

basically skeptic seer

22.

(Om of the Nom)

elusive - Town
23.

(Reubus Swagrid)

Titus - No claim?

24.

(Dani)

Lihin - Town Double Day Foreman - Lynched day two.

25. BBmolla - Passive-ish role (?)

miller + nightskip if 2nd biggest wagon

26. copper223 - Town Facebooker - Eviscerated night two.

[Toon Fighter]

you forgot odd/pair day no voter/double voter Titus

[Titus]

PV and Vonflare are the only ones left.

[Drixx]

Titus, you said spec is your specialty earlier this game. A lot of people who seem very bright think very highly of your town play, which suggests that as much as we've disagreed this game, and as wrong as you are on one particular read, you should be able to take that claims list and start doing your thing. I would be quite interested in seeing you do that particular bit of reasoning. Seems like a pretty useful skill to work on.

[deathfisaro]

Oh yeah I missed that.
PV, vonflare and elusive left. I don't recall elusive claiming.

[elusive]

Titus, do you think I should full claim? I think you get it or why I'm hesitant. SK or mafia might choose to target me.

[Titus]

Titus, do you think I should full claim? I think you get it or why I'm hesitant. SK or mafia might choose to target me.

I need to know who you are married to and if the marriage was forced or not first before I can advise but I am leaning full ckaim.

@Drixx, I need the answer to Elusive first.

[House]

Titus, do you think I should full claim? I think you get it or why I'm hesitant. SK or mafia might choose to target me.

You really think they'll target you over a macho cop?

How arrogant is that?

[Titus]

Titus, do you think I should full claim? I think you get it or why I'm hesitant. SK or mafia might choose to target me.

You really think they'll target you over a macho cop?

How arrogant is that?

If you understood her, it is not arrogant at all.

[Drixx]

Titus, do you think I should full claim? I think you get it or why I'm hesitant. SK or mafia might choose to target me.

You really think they'll target you over a macho cop?

How arrogant is that?

If her claim is what I guess and it's true, they might. I've been trying to figure out a good way to sort this game and make up for my earlier trolling and uselessness.

[Toon Fighter]

@Mod: can you make clear in the first post who is replacing who? thanks

[elusive]

House, with supposedly three cop\seer\investigator roles at least one or two of them may be scum so yeah and history.

Lucian, can you explain the vengeful part of your role? I don't think there can be two of one kind of thing for town unless there is some weakness (such as odd\even) or limitations.

Titus, upon lynch within 48 hours I may kill one player. My kill flavor will be "blown away." So at some point I will have to be taken to the vet (aka put down or lynched). {...}

[elusive]

You don't have to share the limitations, Lucian, but give some sort of crumbs or hints to them like I did.

[Drixx]

Elusive ... Lucian claimed he was a one shot hybrid vigilante/vengeful ... he could choose to shoot someone or if he was lynched/killed he could choose to shot afterward. He is a VT at this point according to his claim, having used up his shot to kill Pika.

[Titus]

@Elusive, I thought you were going for a lovers claim.

If we do lynch you, I would have you shoot PV barring a stellar claim from him. There are other people I would prefer to have lynched but that's me not cooperating with people.

Flipping PV gives us an idea of why so much chaos Day 1.

[elusive]

Titus, I'll add PV to the list and maybe ISO vonflare and PV today as well. I would honestly like to follow up on copper's reads as I think he was killed early on for having right on the money reads. When I'm lynched I will choose from a group of three in case of some sort of protection and just so scum don't know what's going to happen and can live in fear.

Conflicting or overlapping claims tells me that:

Drixx or ActionDan must be investigated or dealt with
Three-Pronged Trouser God & Toon Fighter state to be masons and one of the investigate roles should check one of these. Masons have to be the same alignment?
ChriVi & Cerebrus - Neighbors, we can't have both sets (masons and neighbors). I highly doubt it. One could be town or both could be scum or both could be town (for neighbors) but then the balance doesn't work for 2 masons and 2 neighbors especially considering all the other roles going on
Lucian - I am still wondering about this and if he's some sort of SK or idk because the choice factor, did anyone else get a choice for their role?
BBmolla - Miller is something I'm not familiar with but have heard a lot about. Have we skipped any nights?
PeregrineV and vonflare - no claims is highly suspect
Boonskiies, deathfisaro, and House - All claim an investigative role, I highly doubt all three are town.

The others I have to think about more.

Also, can someone clarify werewolf (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Werewolf)? Is that a mafia or SK in this game? Usually I've seen mafia called werewolves?

I don't see skeptic here (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Cop) so what does that mean? Also I see Macho cop here and would want to track why Ozgin claimed one thing that made it seem he is impervious to NK (?) and House claims Macho which is the opposite.

We don't seem to have any protective roles? Unless the non-claimers are such but ugh, we don't have any doctor\body guard roles at all? That seems weird and probably not probable? If this is two games smushed into one then there must be some protective roles for balance or ?

1. Narninian -

Kill

Re-director

2. Pirate Ika (mollie & ika) - Berlin Undercity Mafia Modified Roleblocker - Shot through the heart day two.

3. Toon Fighter - Mason with Three-Pronged Trouser God
4. Oranje Crush (BROseidon & wgeurts) -

No claim?

Amnesiac commuter

5.

(Ozgin)

House -

Cop (Macho or Some other Variety?)

Faction investigator of some sort

6.

ActionDan

- BP (?)

to both mafia factions

7. Three-Pronged Trouser God (Untrod Tripod & kuribo & T-Bone) - Mason with Toon Fighter
8. Bulbasaur Commonwealth (Bulbazak & mastin2 & Voidedmafia) - Reflexive JK (meaning what exactly?)

If someone targets them with a night action, they get jailkept instead

9. ChriVi (Chrimi & Viomi) - Neighbor\mason with Cerberus

10. Jackel98 - Town Public Tracker - Lynched day one.

11. Boonskiies -

Skeptic cop

12. Drixx - BP (?)

to werewolf

13. PeregrineV - No claim?
14.

vonflare

- No claim?
15. (Cerberus) v666 - Neighbor

\mason

with ChriVi
16. BRantz - Day Commuter (?)

17. (Never-melt-ice) Marquis - Town New Kid on the Block - Eviscerated and incinerated night one.

18. LucianRoy -

Day vigilante

vengilante (vengeful or vigilante, choose vigilante)

19. (Soren) Magua - Town Forgetful Watcher - Nuked from orbit day two.

20. VysePresident - Tropical Volcano Lair Mafia ??? - Incinerated night two.

21. deathfisaro - Skeptic Seer
22.

(Om of the Nom)

elusive - Town Vengeful
23.

(Reubus Swagrid)

Titus - odd/pair day no voter/double voter

24.

(Dani)

Lihin - Town Double Day Foreman - Lynched day two.

25. BBmolla - Passive-ish role (?)

miller + nightskip if 2nd biggest wagon

26. copper223 - Town Facebooker - Eviscerated night two.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

@Elusive: It is revelant to know that the only reason Vyse didn't push his scum read on me more is because I literally wasn't around because of my role. (I am a 3-shot (1 left) psuedocider, I can remove myself from the game 3 times until the start of the next day. I think BC forgot my claim in their wall of claims for you as well. While I am removed I show up as dead.)

Well, that list of claims wasn't exactly meant to be a claims list, just a re-hash of what roles as of D1 could've been RB'd. I didn't exactly forget yours, but I didn't name it, either, so eh.

It's forced stream of consciousness, and it reads scummy as fuck.

Not really seeing how it's scum scream-of-consciousness? (It's not town, but I'm not seeing scum)

So you would rather I just go back and delete my initial vote? I don't understand, your issue here. To me it makes more sense to show both things happen rather than do neither of them. It gives a better insight into my thought process than ignoring that I ever wanted to vote him in the first place.

It just reads so tryhard.

Like, "Oh, now that this wagon is losing steam, I can buy towncred by jumping on and then doing a 180 as a stream of conscious right back off of the wagon in the very same post", which effectively translates into nothing but an overly verbose post that ultimately contributes dick.

I suppose, but that's part of why I'm not sure it goes either way. Or I just can't tell what way it's going. Either/or.

Titus, you said spec is your specialty earlier this game. A lot of people who seem very bright think very highly of your town play, which suggests that as much as we've disagreed this game, and as wrong as you are on one particular read, you should be able to take that claims list and start doing your thing. I would be quite interested in seeing you do that particular bit of reasoning. Seems like a pretty useful skill to work on.

I'm not sure what Titus is supposed to get out of this? (although I suck at setup spec, so)

I need to know who you are married to and if the marriage was forced or not first before I can advise but I am leaning full ckaim.

...Wait, why are we talking about marriage again?

Titus, upon lynch within 48 hours I may kill one player. My kill flavor will be "blown away." So at some point I will have to be taken to the vet (aka put down or lynched). {...}

Sounds more like you're a straight vengeful.

Flipping PV gives us an idea of why so much chaos Day 1.

Wait, why PV? What makes him more of a key to that over anyone else?

Lucian - I am still wondering about this and if he's some sort of SK or idk because the choice factor, did anyone else get a choice for their role?

Unless he only claimed the Vengilante part and still has something else up his sleeve, that's rather weak for an SK. Although, it'd probably be stronger in a 13p game instead of a large since there's fewer people to work through.

Three-Pronged Trouser God & Toon Fighter state to be masons and one of the investigate roles should check one of these. Masons have to be the same alignment?

Yes...that's why they're masons.

*sigh* being the only active member of a hydra is rather tiring...

-Ivy

[God of Power Outlets]

Titus, I'll add PV to the list and maybe ISO vonflare and PV today as well. I would honestly like to follow up on copper's reads as I think he was killed early on for having right on the money reads. When I'm lynched I will choose from a group of three in case of some sort of protection and just so scum don't know what's going to happen and can live in fear.

Conflicting or overlapping claims tells me that:

Drixx or ActionDan must be investigated or dealt with
Three-Pronged Trouser God & Toon Fighter state to be masons and one of the investigate roles should check one of these. Masons have to be the same alignment?
ChriVi & Cerebrus - Neighbors, we can't have both sets (masons and neighbors). I highly doubt it. One could be town or both could be scum or both could be town (for neighbors) but then the balance doesn't work for 2 masons and 2 neighbors especially considering all the other roles going on
Lucian - I am still wondering about this and if he's some sort of SK or idk because the choice factor, did anyone else get a choice for their role?
BBmolla - Miller is something I'm not familiar with but have heard a lot about. Have we skipped any nights?
PeregrineV and vonflare - no claims is highly suspect
Boonskiies, deathfisaro, and House - All claim an investigative role, I highly doubt all three are town.

The others I have to think about more.

Also, can someone clarify werewolf (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Werewolf)? Is that a mafia or SK in this game? Usually I've seen mafia called werewolves?

I don't see skeptic here (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Cop) so what does that mean? Also I see Macho cop here and would want to track why Ozgin claimed one thing that made it seem he is impervious to NK (?) and House claims Macho which is the opposite.

We don't seem to have any protective roles? Unless the non-claimers are such but ugh, we don't have any doctor\body guard roles at all? That seems weird and probably not probable? If this is two games smushed into one then there must be some protective roles for balance or ?

1. Narninian -

Kill

Re-director

2. Pirate Ika (mollie & ika) - Berlin Undercity Mafia Modified Roleblocker - Shot through the heart day two.

3. Toon Fighter - Mason with Three-Pronged Trouser God
4. Oranje Crush (BROseidon & wgeurts) -

No claim?

Amnesiac commuter

5.

(Ozgin)

House -

Cop (Macho or Some other Variety?)

Faction investigator of some sort

6.

ActionDan

- BP (?)

to both mafia factions

7. Three-Pronged Trouser God (Untrod Tripod & kuribo & T-Bone) - Mason with Toon Fighter
8. Bulbasaur Commonwealth (Bulbazak & mastin2 & Voidedmafia) - Reflexive JK (meaning what exactly?)

If someone targets them with a night action, they get jailkept instead

9. ChriVi (Chrimi & Viomi) - Neighbor\mason with Cerberus

10. Jackel98 - Town Public Tracker - Lynched day one.

11. Boonskiies -

Skeptic cop

12. Drixx - BP (?)

to werewolf

13. PeregrineV - No claim?
14.

vonflare

- No claim?
15. (Cerberus) v666 - Neighbor

\mason

with ChriVi
16. BRantz - Day Commuter (?)

17. (Never-melt-ice) Marquis - Town New Kid on the Block - Eviscerated and incinerated night one.

18. LucianRoy -

Day vigilante

vengilante (vengeful or vigilante, choose vigilante)

19. (Soren) Magua - Town Forgetful Watcher - Nuked from orbit day two.

20. VysePresident - Tropical Volcano Lair Mafia ??? - Incinerated night two.

21. deathfisaro - Skeptic Seer
22.

(Om of the Nom)

elusive - Town Vengeful
23.

(Reubus Swagrid)

Titus - odd/pair day no voter/double voter

24.

(Dani)

Lihin - Town Double Day Foreman - Lynched day two.

25. BBmolla - Passive-ish role (?)

miller + nightskip if 2nd biggest wagon

26. copper223 - Town Facebooker - Eviscerated night two.

neighbors and masons can exist in the same setup, doubly so when it's "two setups mashed together"

both toonfighter and myself welcome cop investigations or any other investigation. it doesn't matter which one of us gets investigated, the result will be town. however, back on day 2 or so, the town consensus was that it'd be a waste of time investigating claimed masons. also, the Skeptic investigator already said that they had investigated us (their role checks to see which mod designed the role) and learned that the masons and the neighbors were designed from opposite games.

and for the record if there are any unclaimed protective roles, i'd highly suggest they keep it to themselves. claim something else. or if, say, your protection thing is only half of your role PM then just leave that part out. nothing good comes out of docs or bodyguards claiming, least of all this early.

i'm willing to 100% bet that there's a protective role out there considering the cop is claimed Macho (ps, that's also something you should keep to yourself)

PV hasn't claimed, but then he's barely posted so that isn't really a surprise either



ummmmm looking at the list, isn't a Night skip and a Double Day kinda the same thing?

doesn't that make BBMolla's claim redundant?

-kuribo

[Drixx]

Conflicting or overlapping claims tells me that:

Drixx or ActionDan must be investigated or dealt with

Our claims aren't as overlapping as you might think. I'm BP to werewolves, which some recent speculation suggests might actually just be the SK. I've mostly assumed that the Berlin Underground are werewolves and they are the "eviscerate" kill flavor, but that's just speculation. ActionDan claimed immune to "all mafia" factions, but I don't think he ever actually named what he was immune to. We seem to be immune to different factions, so there's not necessarily overlap here. That said ... I had a pretty strong feeling he was the SK given the way he approached his claim. In terms of the way this game was created, there's not any real logical way to try and sort us. We could both be scum, both be town, be one each, be a town and SK, be a scum and SK. Like ... lynching one or the other of us won't be at all indicative of the other one I don't think. There are too many ways where that assumption could fail in this particular game.

Three-Pronged Trouser God & Toon Fighter state to be masons and one of the investigate roles should check one of these. Masons have to be the same alignment?

By definition masons are mod confirmed to one another. It seems like it would be a super poor gambit for scum to claim it day one, and since TF has been a lurksack, scum may have seen little upside to confirming anyone when leaving them alive creates doubt and one of them isn't contributing anything anyway.

ChriVi & Cerebrus - Neighbors, we can't have both sets (masons and neighbors). I highly doubt it. One could be town or both could be scum or both could be town (for neighbors) but then the balance doesn't work for 2 masons and 2 neighbors especially considering all the other roles going on

This game was made by taking two separately balanced 13 player games and mashing them together and changing only what was completely broken. Having masons and neighbors is perfectly plausible. We had a neighbor cop claim day one and then had a neighbor claim. That neighbor (ChiVri) had a partner (Cerberus) who eventually claimed and said that ChiV was mod-confirmed to him to be town. Cerberus is not confirmed town to ChiV. The neighbor cop was killed on night one by both factions (Narninian claims to have potentially re-directed one of the kill shots onto him on the assumption he would be protected).

Lucian - I am still wondering about this and if he's some sort of SK or idk because the choice factor, did anyone else get a choice for their role?

His kill flavor has been seen only once, which would seem to indicate he's probably not a daytime SK. He killed on command. And his claim seems like an interesting role. He killed scum but we know there are probably 2 scum factions and an SK in play ... so the question concerning Lucian is whether you think scum would get a day vigilante kill in a 13 player setup, because that would be the only way he would be scum.

BBmolla - Miller is something I'm not familiar with but have heard a lot about. Have we skipped any nights?

A miller investigates as guilty when he's not. I think the consensus is to have BB at 2nd most votes today to trigger his one time night skip. We have not had a skipped night yet, and if his claim is true it's a one off thing.

PeregrineV and vonflare - no claims is highly suspect

Agreed.

Boonskiies, deathfisaro, and House - All claim an investigative role, I highly doubt all three are town.

There have already been two town investigative roles killed off, so I suspect you are spot on here.

The others I have to think about more.

Also, can someone clarify werewolf (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Werewolf)? Is that a mafia or SK in this game? Usually I've seen mafia called werewolves?

Werewolf is basically a synonym term for mafia in a lot of permutations of the game. Some people seem to think the SK is the Werewolf. I personally think that the Berlin mafia group are werewolves ... but that's mostly because of the mod clarification about what "normal" factions meant where they listed werewolf separate from serial killer.

I don't see skeptic here (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Cop) so what does that mean? Also I see Macho cop here and would want to track why Ozgin claimed one thing that made it seem he is impervious to NK (?) and House claims Macho which is the opposite.

We don't seem to have any protective roles? Unless the non-claimers are such but ugh, we don't have any doctor\body guard roles at all? That seems weird and probably not probable? If this is two games smushed into one then there must be some protective roles for balance or ?

It makes a lot of sense why Ozgin would claim a limited BP if he was macho and couldn't be protected. House apparently felt there was utility to outing himself as macho.

As for skeptic ... what I understood from those claims is that they were investigators who turn into pumpkins (VT) if they don't find their particular brand of scum within a certain timeframe ... i.e. they are "skeptical" and only give so much effort into the investigation before they just dismiss it and stop looking.

[God of Power Outlets]

*sigh* being the only active member of a hydra is rather tiring...

if it makes you feel better, T-Bone is having the same problem since Tripod barely posts here or in the masonry and i alternate between not giving two shits about the game and wanting to brutally strangle people in a fit of ban-inducing fury. this is why i retired.

[God of Power Outlets]

By definition masons are mod confirmed to one another. It seems like it would be a super poor gambit for scum to claim it day one, and since TF has been a lurksack, scum may have seen little upside to confirming anyone when leaving them alive creates doubt and one of them isn't contributing anything anyway.

I would have bussed him into dust in a heartbeat


nothing is more fun to me than driving my own scumbuddies into the ground, then standing victorious on a pile of their corpses


well, faking guilties on mastin while she's VLA is a close second

[Titus]

@BC, I thought Elusive was a lover, so I was asking her who her lover was.

Vengeful does make sense but not in the same setup as Lucian.

As for PV, the three wagons at the end were Jackal PV and Drixx. Why?