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[God of Power Outlets]

@BC, I thought Elusive was a lover, so I was asking her who her lover was.

if elusive is a lover, the identity of the lover is best kept to herself for pretty blatantly obvious reasons


Why would you even ask that?

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

well, faking guilties on mastin while she's VLA is a close second

I'm surprised you haven't tried that already this game. Unless you're expecting either myself or Bulb to tell her.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

@BC, I thought Elusive was a lover, so I was asking her who her lover was.

if elusive is a lover, the identity of the lover is best kept to herself for pretty blatantly obvious reasons


Why would you even ask that?

What TPTG said, btw. There's no utility in asking for that.

[God of Power Outlets]

well, faking guilties on mastin while she's VLA is a close second

I'm surprised you haven't tried that already this game. Unless you're expecting either myself or Bulb to tell her.

its only fun when i'm scum


much like mafia itself

[God of Power Outlets]

BTW Titus, asking someone the identity of their lover is pretty much the exact definition of "rolefishing," which is an accusation you've thrown around alot

[Titus]

@BC, I thought Elusive was a lover, so I was asking her who her lover was.

if elusive is a lover, the identity of the lover is best kept to herself for pretty blatantly obvious reasons


Why would you even ask that?

What TPTG said, btw. There's no utility in asking for that.

I had a scum game where my partner deliberately kept his "lover" hidden until the end to fake the role.

[Titus]

BTW Titus, asking someone the identity of their lover is pretty much the exact definition of "rolefishing," which is an accusation you've thrown around alot

Yes, but it's rolefishing with a town minded purpose. Massclaim is also rolefishing, but again not scummy.

Rolefishing and denying it is a wholly different matter.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

As for PV, the three wagons at the end were Jackal PV and Drixx. Why?

Well, that did just remind me that the PV just sprang up out of nowhere, pretty much. In some fairness, at the time it started up no one had more than 3 votes on them, so it's not like the start was bad, but then it devolved to being between those two, I think, so...

Yes, but it's rolefishing with a town minded purpose. Massclaim is also rolefishing, but again not scummy.Rolefishing and denying it is a wholly different matter.

And why do you want to know who the lovers are, your example notwithstanding?

[God of Power Outlets]

Yes, but it's rolefishing with a town minded purpose.

No, it's really not. Not at this stage.

Massclaiming is rolefishing for a town purpose when it's at the proper time.

Asking for massclaim on Day 1 is not rolefishing for a town purpose either.

It's about timing, not the action.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Though, at this point, unless those who haven't claimed anything at all have some really good role we only have, like, 2-3 people left who haven't claimed. It just doesn't feel like it's worth it to let them lie without saying something.

[Cuttlefish]

Vote Count 3.12

ActionDan (6)

- PeregrineV, LucianRoy, Bulbasaur Commonwealth, Drixx, Three-Pronged Trouser God, elusive

BBmolla (4)

- deathfisaro, Titus, Cerberus v666, Narninian, BBmolla

Drixx (2)

- ChriVi, Toon Fighter

Titus (1)

- Boonskiies

Oranje Crush (1)

- vonflare

Boonskiies (1)

- ActionDan

Not Voting (3)

: Oranje Crush, House, BRantz

With 18 votes in play, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-11 10:14:33).

Deadline is suspended while I search for replacements.

ActionDan and vonflare are being replaced.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

As things stand now, if ChriVi, TF, Oranje, and one of House or Brantz vote AD we'll get that lynch as well as activate Molla. AD didn't mention that he was going to stay (I think he has all but signed off on this game), so we're really just waiting on Cuttles to get a replacement.

[elusive]

Titus, you know I like to keep at least one card close to the chest. That and who knows maybe I'm trying to eat an NK for Reasons. The problem with town knowing everything is that scum know everything plus they also know who isn't one of them. Therefore, unless every claim is out and confirmable its always best to keep 1-2 tricks up the sleeve.

I agree that if House claim is to be believed then we have a protective role. Oh and protective role, if its not limited, should probably protect itself when it seems like the identity is outed. Also never protect a person who states they don't need protection, no need to reverse psych things.

I'm leaning towards town Titus only because as scum her charisma powers her through and for some reason she isn't being followed which usually means town Titus vs. scum.

[deathfisaro]

@TPTG
"Double Day" is hastening prod / replacement time by 2 times. Like, the target's day of inactivity counts as double days of inactivity.

@Drixx
If Berlin Undercity Mafia was composed of werewolves, even with Pika flip I don't know if I'll have my seer ability tomorrow. So if I live till N4, I'd be sending in a night action without knowing whether I can even send in a functional night action at that point. Is that "normal"? If I was forced to pick a faction in this game that isn't SK to be made up of werewolves, I'd go with Volcano LAIR mafia. Then SK might be like a pyromaniac that can incinerate. But given Boon's claim, it's unlikely that werewolf is in mafia factions. Most likely his and mine are made by the same mod (although depends on how common "skeptic" is?) and I'd be a strictly worse version of Boon's.

@elusive
House claim is to be believed because Ozgin correctly outed Pika with the right alignment, unless you think killing off a partner D2 in a 26 player game is for the benefit of your faction. He might be opposing scum faction's alignment investigative but I'd say quite unlikely to be Volcano.

The best way to confirm investigative claimers' alignment is by letting non-towns kill them IMO. Here's my logic
Even if Boon is scum, if he's scum investigative, the other scum faction has reasons to kill Boon.
Even if House is scum, the other non-town factions have reasons to kill House.
The most bizarre case is that I'm a werewolf in some non-town faction claiming to be seer when I'm not. Then you'll need a very good explanation for how I know exactly what seer result looks like down to capitalization and symbol. If I was something else like a scum investigative (for non-town factions) then other non-town factions have reasons to kill me.
At current point in time nothing really suggests any of the above so you'll just have to believe that werewolves might have a reason to kill me. If we nightskip, then the werewolves know if I'm a skeptic or not (although I don't) and they may or may not have reasons to kill me past N3. So for my personal benefit, the best way to die is to not nightskip today and turn up as wolf feed tomorrow morning so someone else doesn't die to werewolves. But to the whole town's benefit I think nightskipping to prevent up to 3 people from getting NK'd is better.

Being a multiball game, dealing with possible investigative fakeclaims is rather simple. Let the non-town factions deal with it themselves or let them risk it being true and getting investigated, outed, and get lynched.

[Titus]

As for PV, the three wagons at the end were Jackal PV and Drixx. Why?

Well, that did just remind me that the PV just sprang up out of nowhere, pretty much. In some fairness, at the time it started up no one had more than 3 votes on them, so it's not like the start was bad, but then it devolved to being between those two, I think, so...

Yes, but it's rolefishing with a town minded purpose. Massclaim is also rolefishing, but again not scummy.Rolefishing and denying it is a wholly different matter.

And why do you want to know who the lovers are, your example notwithstanding?

@TPTG, Yes massclaim D1 would be suspect. This isn't day 1. Only lurksacks haven't claimed.
@BC, Knowing the lovers impacts balance and its highly unlikely for two scum lovers.

[Toon Fighter]

elusive claiming the other lover now is a very bad idea. If they are both still alive tomorrow or afterwards we can rethink that.

Titus, why must you do so many anti-town things? I really want to believe you are town but you keep making it difficult :/

@Bulbasaur: Why the rush in lynching AD? We have no deadline right now. He is being replaced. Can't you wait for a couple days?

[Titus]

As for PV, the three wagons at the end were Jackal PV and Drixx. Why?

Well, that did just remind me that the PV just sprang up out of nowhere, pretty much. In some fairness, at the time it started up no one had more than 3 votes on them, so it's not like the start was bad, but then it devolved to being between those two, I think, so...

Yes, but it's rolefishing with a town minded purpose. Massclaim is also rolefishing, but again not scummy.Rolefishing and denying it is a wholly different matter.

And why do you want to know who the lovers are, your example notwithstanding?

@TPTG, Yes massclaim D1 would be suspect. This isn't day 1. Only lurksacks haven't claimed.
@BC, Knowing the lovers impacts balance and its highly unlikely for two scum lovers.

@TF, why do you label everything I say anti-town before you understand why?

[Toon Fighter]

Why did you repost? And outing a lover now IS anti-town...

[BRantz]

@Elusive:
I used my role on day 1, to prevent being lynched, and again on day 2 at the request of the rest of the game. I currently have one shot left. Also keep in mind, that the mods took two balanced 13 player games and smashed them together, they made sure nothing was game breaking, but they didn't do anything to make sure the new set up is balanced, so trying to figure out whether something is realistic based on balance is not a good route to take.

No we haven't skipped a night yet (he also claimed that it is a 1 shot ability), but the plan is to do so today.

It is also relevant to note that I "commute" through the night phase as well. I just have to choose to trigger my ability during the day.

@BC: My mistake then, you just posted a bunch of the roles, so I thought it was a claims post.

Lucian - I am still wondering about this and if he's some sort of SK or idk because the choice factor, did anyone else get a choice for their role?

His kill flavor has been seen only once, which would seem to indicate he's probably not a daytime SK. He killed on command. And his claim seems like an interesting role. He killed scum but we know there are probably 2 scum factions and an SK in play ... so the question concerning Lucian is whether you think scum would get a day vigilante kill in a 13 player setup, because that would be the only way he would be scum.

Why do you think it precludes him being an sk? Given the way he claimed and what happened it would be suicide for him to kill again if he is sk. I am leaning more toward Lucian town than anything else right now, but your line of reasoning here seems suspect.

[Titus]

Why did you repost? And outing a lover now IS anti-town...

Repost what?

No. No action is always "anti-town". It depends on the context.

[Drixx]

Aren't Serial Killers forced to kill? That's the point of them being "serial" killers.

[Narninian]

prod-dodging a little bit -- Nobody's posts has changed who I'd like to lynch and the fact that I want to skip the night.

[Toon Fighter]

As for PV, the three wagons at the end were Jackal PV and Drixx. Why?

Well, that did just remind me that the PV just sprang up out of nowhere, pretty much. In some fairness, at the time it started up no one had more than 3 votes on them, so it's not like the start was bad, but then it devolved to being between those two, I think, so...

Yes, but it's rolefishing with a town minded purpose. Massclaim is also rolefishing, but again not scummy.Rolefishing and denying it is a wholly different matter.

And why do you want to know who the lovers are, your example notwithstanding?

@TPTG, Yes massclaim D1 would be suspect. This isn't day 1. Only lurksacks haven't claimed.
@BC, Knowing the lovers impacts balance and its highly unlikely for two scum lovers.

As for PV, the three wagons at the end were Jackal PV and Drixx. Why?

Well, that did just remind me that the PV just sprang up out of nowhere, pretty much. In some fairness, at the time it started up no one had more than 3 votes on them, so it's not like the start was bad, but then it devolved to being between those two, I think, so...

Yes, but it's rolefishing with a town minded purpose. Massclaim is also rolefishing, but again not scummy.Rolefishing and denying it is a wholly different matter.

And why do you want to know who the lovers are, your example notwithstanding?

@TPTG, Yes massclaim D1 would be suspect. This isn't day 1. Only lurksacks haven't claimed.
@BC, Knowing the lovers impacts balance and its highly unlikely for two scum lovers.

@TF, why do you label everything I say anti-town before you understand why?

Why did you repost? And outing a lover now IS anti-town...

Repost what?

As for PV, the three wagons at the end were Jackal PV and Drixx. Why?

Well, that did just remind me that the PV just sprang up out of nowhere, pretty much. In some fairness, at the time it started up no one had more than 3 votes on them, so it's not like the start was bad, but then it devolved to being between those two, I think, so...

Yes, but it's rolefishing with a town minded purpose. Massclaim is also rolefishing, but again not scummy.Rolefishing and denying it is a wholly different matter.

And why do you want to know who the lovers are, your example notwithstanding?

@TPTG, Yes massclaim D1 would be suspect. This isn't day 1. Only lurksacks haven't claimed.
@BC, Knowing the lovers impacts balance and its highly unlikely for two scum lovers.

As for PV, the three wagons at the end were Jackal PV and Drixx. Why?

Well, that did just remind me that the PV just sprang up out of nowhere, pretty much. In some fairness, at the time it started up no one had more than 3 votes on them, so it's not like the start was bad, but then it devolved to being between those two, I think, so...

Yes, but it's rolefishing with a town minded purpose. Massclaim is also rolefishing, but again not scummy.Rolefishing and denying it is a wholly different matter.

And why do you want to know who the lovers are, your example notwithstanding?

@TPTG, Yes massclaim D1 would be suspect. This isn't day 1. Only lurksacks haven't claimed.
@BC, Knowing the lovers impacts balance and its highly unlikely for two scum lovers.

@TF, why do you label everything I say anti-town before you understand why?

No. No action is always "anti-town". It depends on the context.

I never said it was ALWAYS anti-town. I said in THIS context it is. Unless elusive was under a lot of suspicion (he is not), we were in very late game (we are not) or there was another very important reason for his lover to claim (there is not), the attitude you had WAS anti-town. Making him claim now is role fishing at its purest and in no way does a claim now and today benefit town. Jeez

[Titus]

@Drixx,
*eyeroll* SKs can kill scum. Besides we are logically talking about the daytime.

@TF,

We will agree to disagree there, again. I believed it was an example of protown rolefishing and I would ask again if I had it to do over.

[LucianRoy]

I'm unsure of the current main-train.

PV hasn't claimed yet, and bulbasaur commonwealth is on that train.