Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Titus]

@Espy, Vague "evidence" is useless to me.

[Cheetory6]

Cheet, would you maintain the statement that my vote is currently being useless given that it is contributing to equal second largest wagon?

Given that neither you or TTH has pushed this vote in like 14 pages. Yes. I'd consider it as being useless up until now that I've pointed it out. -.-

[GuyInFreezer]

@Gif: That is a bad reason to townread someone when there is evidence on the table.

One of the reason

for my townread on him is that he as scum would've lurked in this fast-moving game.

It's a bad reason to scumread someone just for lurking but hell that's what I see in this game.

[fferyllt]

@ffery- how much has nacho actually played with singer btw?

@ffery- how much has nacho actually played with singer btw?

he says not a lot, and points out that singer doesn't play a lot.

also i know fuck meta and it's still early game and everything else aaaand I wouldn't bring this up at all if I wasn't already scumreading her for her tone but her play does seem more like http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=17388 metamafia than maiden http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=22173 or Chosen Ones http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

I wish I could quote his reaction to this meta. Your case is awful. he doesn't think of town-you as being awful.

[Espeonage]

There's a perfectly wonderful, concise and well thought out case. Get your head out of your ass titus.

I'm beginning to think that people are legit just ignoring people after shoving them into their vague potential scum pool.

[Espeonage]

@Gif: That is a bad reason to townread someone when there is evidence on the table.

One of the reason

for my townread on him is that he as scum would've lurked in this fast-moving game.

It's a bad reason to scumread someone just for lurking but hell that's what I see in this game.

There's a bunch of lurking. I think people might be afraid of dying first because it's letting down their team or something. Which is a mentality that can definitely mix up the pool when it comes to reading based on motivations.

[Espeonage]

Cheet, would you maintain the statement that my vote is currently being useless given that it is contributing to equal second largest wagon?

Given that neither you or TTH has pushed this vote in like 14 pages. Yes. I'd consider it as being useless up until now that I've pointed it out. -.-

Honestly had no idea it was that long ago. I still don't get how people can read the case and not go, that makes a tonne of sense, I'm going to take at the very least a good hard look at Marq.

[Espeonage]

Maybe I just like it because it addresses mentality and isn't just labelling.

[fferyllt]

@Gamma

Nacho wants to know what the fuck that singer vote was. he's calling it garbage.

best way to describe it is probably that singer feels like she's trying to display her emotions as much as possible to get read as town for how she's reacting to the things happening around her. it doesn't feel like she's legitimately suspicious of anyone - just that she's bouncing off everything that's been happening.

granted, i could see her potentially doing it as town because of her playstyle whereas most of the playerlist doing something like that I would probably go completely berserk on getting them lynched, I just think that it's still more likely to be coming from her as scum than town.

Is drunk an emotion?

I feel (and so does Nacho) that she's been using interactions to get her head in the game during the catch-up process. The catch-up feels uncomfortable - it's a huge game that has the input of somewhere close to 80 players to disentangle and sort through. Feeling uncomfortable pitched headfirst into that doesn't strike me as scummy. Players who are trading places in these games have more of a leg-up even in this game.

[Titus]

There's a perfectly wonderful, concise and well thought out case. Get your head out of your ass titus.

I'm beginning to think that people are legit just ignoring people after shoving them into their vague potential scum pool.

Let's see here, since you're being an ass to me. The claws come out here.

Quote this god gamn case if you want me to read it. There have been multiple references to cases and evidence that people want me to rely on. Getting all hostile when I ask is antitown as best.

It also puts me in the state where I want to lynch you regardless of your alignment and rip your case to shreads.

[Espeonage]

For everyone taking notes at home. ffery's comments on singer last page are very good because they actually look at someone and think about why doing what that person did makes them x or y. That is how you make a case.

[GuyInFreezer]

cases are scummy

[GuyInFreezer]

@fery

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Townreads

ChannelDelibird.
Cheetory6.
GuyinFreezer.
Marquis.
Mastin2.
Tammy.
Titus.

[Espeonage]

Calling paragraphs of case that I believe in and am copping flack for that I didn't even wright "evidence" is insulting. You got the claws out first honey.

[fferyllt]

good thing that wasn't a case!

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm gonna stop both of you before this turns into some catfight and just ask esp to quote the case so everyone can be happy
I don't need 3 pages of that.

[GuyInFreezer]

(esp/titus)

[Espeonage]

@Cheet, seeing as you want stock of my reads. Of the people on more than 1 vote, the only one I am cool with lynching right now is the one I'm voting.

[Espeonage]

TTH iso 27-29

[GuyInFreezer]

TTH iso 27-29

That just reads "marquis should be as smart as me" to me.

[Titus]

TTH's case is basically that he couldn't follow Marquis's train of thought. We looked at Marquis following that. Marquis frankly obvtowned himself during that discussion. TTH's case was worth investigating at the time, but Marquis wasn't actually scum. You seemingly have ignoredeverything that goes against your point Espy and are relying on one player misunderstanding one read.

Yeah, this vote is not moving.

[Gammagooey]

I wish I could quote his reaction to this meta. Your case is awful. he doesn't think of town-you as being awful.

It's really less of a case and more of an explanation of my read even though thats kind of semantic-y

Is drunk an emotion?

I feel (and so does Nacho) that she's been using interactions to get her head in the game during the catch-up process. The catch-up feels uncomfortable - it's a huge game that has the input of somewhere close to 80 players to disentangle and sort through. Feeling uncomfortable pitched headfirst into that doesn't strike me as scummy. Players who are trading places in these games have more of a leg-up even in this game.

It's pretty common knowledge I think that singer hates playing as scum. I can see where you're coming from but I think writing off her being uncomfortable as just because she's going through a whole lot of content at once isn't an intelligent thing to do here. I'll take another look at her iso soon for Nacho's sake though.

[fferyllt]

@fery

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ChannelDelibird.
Cheetory6.
GuyinFreezer.
Marquis.
Mastin2.
Tammy.
Titus.

Why is DV not a townread?

[GuyInFreezer]

I've kinda full reset and those are the reads that were kinda re-sorted.

[GuyInFreezer]

so the rest are simply "still sorting pls wait"