Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[shos]

Tbone, I don't care if the reason I catch scum is true or not, as long as I catch them, which I did. so no argument ehrere.

[TierShift]

@tier: see 926

Oh, I thought that was about cabd.

[TierShift]

T-bone, how are your reads coming along?

[Iecerint]

Yes, let's lynch a player who is barely here

Not that bad a D1 strat tbf.

[Magua]

Vote Count 1.32

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Cabd (4): xRECKONERx, Cephrir, Iecerint, notscience
Katsuki (2): Lady Lambdadelta, TierShift
T-Bone (2): T-Bone, shos
shos (1): Katsuki
xRECKONERx (1): Cabd
Cephrir (1): copper223

Not Voting (2): Rhinox, pirate mollie

Deadline for Day 1 is Thursday, April 16th, at 00:00 midnight EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-04-15 23:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-	49
Cephrir	-	48
copper223	-	50
Iecerint	-	50
Katsuki	-	49
Lady Lambdadelta	-	52
notscience	-	50
pirate mollie	-	50
Rhinox	-	47
shos	-	53
T-Bone	-	51
TierShift	-	49
xRECKONERx	-	52

[TierShift]

I really really hate that strategy

Lec, what do you think of T-bone?

Also my team is going to start working on this game this is gonna be great!

[TierShift]

I for one really hope we can do something with the score thingy and it changes overnight or something

[T-Bone]

T-bone, how are your reads coming along?

I don't know how I feel about some players. So let me just throw out some thoughts for you (or someone) to comment on. I'm really annoyed at shos, but that might also be alignment-independent so I don't know about that. I'd like to get back to you and I. A couple of pages ago Copper voted you, and I didn't like the reasons he put forth...mainly that you bowed to the intense pressure I was putting on you cause you're scum and that's the real reason why you were gone. He said he was agreeing with me on my vote, while not agreeing with me on vote on you. (because I was voting you for something you did, rather than your activity) I view activity levels as alignment independent when it comes to scum reading, and I get annoyed when people do it because at best it's lazy town, and at worst it's scum coming in with an argument that can't reasonably be defended. Case in point, Shos says I'm scum for posting within 3 minutes of Ceph calling for a utility lynch on me. How does that mean anything? Would the town response been get away from the thread until people stop talking about me? The answer is no, that's actually the scum thing to do.

In that regards I took issue with Ceph's utility lynch comment in the same manner I took issue with your 'pressure Bone' comment. I don't believe in town players who don't take responsibility for their own reads, and asking 'other people' to do something is a great way for scum to post like they are scumhunting. Ceph had already stated he reads me in middle because he doesn't think I've done enough to warrant a read, so how does a utility lynch change things? If I am this lurker that has no meaningful interactions, that hasn't do anything meaningful to warrant a read, than what does my lynch accomplish? If I am scum, it's just a shot in the dark. But since I am town, when I see something like that I see a player who can go later in the game 'that mislynch meant nothing because that player didn't do anything'.

To shos credit, I expected he was gonna start pulling things out of my ISO to go 'scum confirmed' to back up his terrible line of reasoning by adding in some confirmation bias to back it up. He didn't, so despite my irritation with him he's off my lynch pool for today (unless he does it before I finish writing this post). Reck is off my lynch pool for UT related reasons. Cabd demonstrated that he can control votes of prodded players. That's really cool, but it's also alignment-independent. Despite that I feel like it's more likely a town role than a scum one. I am a little paranoid about mollie, as my experience is that she is a buddier when she's scum, and I got that vibe a bit from our interactions..though this is mostly gut. I'm also paranoid about Rhinox but I have nothing to go on there. Iece brought up dynasty warriors earlier, which made me think about his play there (we were scumbuddies), and I kinda feel like there are similarities there, but I don't know. All I remember from that game was suiciding on him which ended up giving him the town cred he needed to win the game. I don't have any other meaningful thoughts or interactions with the rest of the playerlist to have anything for you there. As for you, yeah you did that one thing I found scummy, but you haven't continued to do scummy things, so there's a plus. If we had to lynch right now I'd want it to be Ceph.

[Cephrir]

because of the reasons you're going to tell us about now, surely

[T-Bone]

You mean the thing I just said in that post where "took issue with Ceph's utility lynch comment in the same manner I took issue with your 'pressure Bone' comment. I don't believe in town players who don't take responsibility for their own reads, and asking 'other people' to do something is a great way for scum to post like they are scumhunting....when I see something like that I see a player who can go later in the game 'that mislynch meant nothing because that player didn't do anything'".

[Rhinox]

Bone are you saying you shouldn't be lynched because you haven't been here? Because if that's what you're saying I'm totally down for stringing you up today.

Also,

If we had to lynch right now I'd want it to be Ceph.

We're 2 days from deadline so we are pretty much in the "we have to lynch right now" phase of the day.

Are you even aware that you are currently voting yourself?

[Cephrir]

So basically you'd lynch me because you haven't read the game enough to get a real scumread and based purely on the fact i'm willing to compromise on you

that seems protown

[T-Bone]

No, I'm saying that argument is lazy. No one has really taken issue with any particular thing I have posted. I think someone scoffed at my reason for townreading Reck, but that's about it. What is shos argument here? That I posted too soon in response to Ceph so I must be scum? You're telling me you'd be willing to lynch any player based on that flimsy alignment independent reasoning?

2+ days out is hardly that point. We're close, but we're not there yet. I know I am voting myself, and I want to keep it there for the moment based on potential role interactions with Cabd. I know I'm the last player that should be saying "i'll have plenty of time to change my vote" but I'll have plenty of time to change my vote.

Preedit: So basically you're willing to lynch a slot you admittedly had no read on...and that seems protown. Riiight and I'm the scummy one.

[shos]

Are you even aware that you are currently voting yourself?

HILARIOUS

[shos]

What is shos argument here? That I posted too soon in response to Ceph so I must be scum?

No.
my argument is that oyu haven't posted in 4 days and 8 pages, except a proddodge. Then, the moment someone mentions you, you respond; within 3 minutes(!!!!!!).

3 minutes means you were online 0 minutes after the post was posted, and had the time to think, write and post a response. This means you have been lurking on the thread, intentionally, to avoid being talked about.

the possibility that by EXTREME COINCIDENCE the first time you visit the thread is THE MOMENT you are being talked about, well, it exists, I choose to not believe it and, quite practically, comb my ballhairs with it.

Also an option: wipe my butt with it.

pedit:(not because ninja'd, but because I previewed and added[not really])
another option is to hold it tight and shove it up my-- ehm, shoe.

[Iecerint]

Lec, what do you think of T-bone?

1. It's an i.

2. I think he's scummy, but not in a dynamic or exciting way that would make me risk lynching him over Cabd. The only player who fits that bill for me is you, because if you flip scum I think we can infer something from your windows of higher activity and lower activity.

[shos]

Lec, what do you think of T-bone?

1. It's an i.

2. I think he's scummy, but not in a dynamic or exciting way that would make me risk lynching him over Cabd. The only player who fits that bill for me is you, because if you flip scum I think we can infer something from your windows of higher activity and lower activity.

what do you think of my 'case'
above?

[Katsuki]

[quote="ceph"

that seems protown[/quote]

rich coming from you

only reason y9ure a dumbtown reqd is because i dont expect you to undetstand whats scum motivated about youre posting...

maybe im wrong about you and you actually understand how to play mafia but i doubt it so you can stay i. thw dumbtown have no idea how to play mafia catagory. youre lucky b3caue3 normqlly i would want players such as yourself dead becauw3 such players as town are liabilities at best. I have 0 tolerance for vi's as town.

[Iecerint]

I really really hate that strategy

If town want to lurk their way to a loss, that probably creates a pro-town meta in the long run. We just have to ruin maybe 10-20 games, and we will all find paradise.

@ Shos - Eh, I guess that's kinda similar to what I expressed about TierShift.

I think the difference for me is that T-Bone gives me village idiot vibes and TierShift doesn't. Then again, I guess T-Bone is the one with the Mafia Win banner.

[T-Bone]

What is shos argument here? That I posted too soon in response to Ceph so I must be scum?

No.
my argument is that oyu haven't posted in 4 days and 8 pages, except a proddodge. Then, the moment someone mentions you, you respond; within 3 minutes(!!!!!!).

3 minutes means you were online 0 minutes after the post was posted, and had the time to think, write and post a response. This means you have been lurking on the thread, intentionally, to avoid being talked about.

the possibility that by EXTREME COINCIDENCE the first time you visit the thread is THE MOMENT you are being talked about, well, it exists, I choose to not believe it and, quite practically, comb my ballhairs with it.

Also an option: wipe my butt with it.

pedit:(not because ninja'd, but because I previewed and added[not really])
another option is to hold it tight and shove it up my-- ehm, shoe.

So obviously the protown thing to do was not post. Is that right? Since the scummy thing was to post according to you. If not, what was the protown response? This is why you are making a dumb argument, because there is no answer or explanation about this, you're just throwing a tried and true shit method up on the wall because for some reason you think activity is alignment-dependent.

Do you know why the thread was locked yesterday? Because I had caught up and realized that Copper had spoiled another on-going game for me, and instead of posting I had to stop everything I was doing to PM the appropriate Mods. So you know, I was already caught up, and the only new posts when I got on this morning were Ceph's. But no, you don't consider things like that because it doesn't fit your narrative. Instead I am scum waiting for the right moment to derail any discussion about me...despite the fact that this isn't the first time that I have gone long periods without a post (it's happened frequently due to outside influences), so again this doesn't even fit your narrative either. The fact that you are so blind to the obvious baffles me, and if weren't for the fact that you have a history of doing this to me, I'd be calling for your lynch in every single post I would ever make from that point on because you are pushing SCUMLOGIC.

[Iecerint]

The only anti-town thing I can think about Ceph is that he went overboard on expressing paranoia to motivate people to explain the townieness and make it maybe unnecessarily salient, but that's just as much on me, so.

[Iecerint]

Do you know why the thread was locked yesterday? Because I had caught up and realized that Copper had spoiled another on-going game for me [...]

This makes it more likely that he is town.

Copper's posts were super long-winded and in kinda uncomfortable English at times, so reading them closely enough to infer stuff about ongoing games suggests wanting to puzzle-solve suggests town.

[shos]

honestly can't see how he got that and not me

lol
tier's low content is actually town indicative. he's town leader when scum. but the case is not the low content - the case is the intentional lurking and appearing

[shos]

What is shos argument here? That I posted too soon in response to Ceph so I must be scum?

No.
my argument is that oyu haven't posted in 4 days and 8 pages, except a proddodge. Then, the moment someone mentions you, you respond; within 3 minutes(!!!!!!).

3 minutes means you were online 0 minutes after the post was posted, and had the time to think, write and post a response. This means you have been lurking on the thread, intentionally, to avoid being talked about.

the possibility that by EXTREME COINCIDENCE the first time you visit the thread is THE MOMENT you are being talked about, well, it exists, I choose to not believe it and, quite practically, comb my ballhairs with it.

Also an option: wipe my butt with it.

pedit:(not because ninja'd, but because I previewed and added[not really])
another option is to hold it tight and shove it up my-- ehm, shoe.

So obviously the protown thing to do was not post. Is that right? Since the scummy thing was to post according to you. If not, what was the protown response? This is why you are making a dumb argument, because there is no answer or explanation about this, you're just throwing a tried and true shit method up on the wall because for some reason you think activity is alignment-dependent.

Do you know why the thread was locked yesterday? Because I had caught up and realized that Copper had spoiled another on-going game for me, and instead of posting I had to stop everything I was doing to PM the appropriate Mods. So you know, I was already caught up, and the only new posts when I got on this morning were Ceph's. But no, you don't consider things like that because it doesn't fit your narrative. Instead I am scum waiting for the right moment to derail any discussion about me...despite the fact that this isn't the first time that I have gone long periods without a post (it's happened frequently due to outside influences), so again this doesn't even fit your narrative either. The fact that you are so blind to the obvious baffles me, and if weren't for the fact that you have a history of doing this to me, I'd be calling for your lynch in every single post I would ever make from that point on because you are pushing SCUMLOGIC.

The town reaction would be not to react, yes. the pro town thing to do is to react to the GODDAMN EIGHT PAGES YOU IGNORED THAT HAPPENED BEFORE THAT POST.

[Iecerint]

I don't have any experience I can remember with TierShift, so I'll have to defer to your judgment.

My inference was that TierShift's content patterns might have coincided with whether scumfriends were being pressured, etc.